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27th February 2020, 10:30 AM | #161 |
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27th February 2020, 10:34 AM | #162 |
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What do you mean by "refuses to concede"? Do you mean he might claim he really won? Yeah, that's possible. Do you mean he might contest election results in court? Definitely on the table, especially if a contest is close and there are any irregularities.
Do you mean he might try to actually prevent the transfer of power at the end of his term? No, I don't think that's going to happen. |
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27th February 2020, 10:35 AM | #163 |
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27th February 2020, 10:41 AM | #164 |
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27th February 2020, 10:46 AM | #165 |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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27th February 2020, 10:47 AM | #166 |
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There'd already been one round of debates. I don't see Trump blaming the stock market on that particular debate. I see him drawing a correlation between the way the Democratic primaries are playing out (including the debates, plural), and the way investor confidence is playing out.
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27th February 2020, 10:48 AM | #167 |
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What do I mean?
What would the next move be? Court action? A move in the Republican-controlled Senate to freeze the election process? With Mitch McConnell blathering, "Until we know with certainty what happened, I believe we owe it to the American people to halt this process." Sounds fairly possible to me. Of course, there will be a lot of opposition and pushback but who knows. |
27th February 2020, 10:58 AM | #168 |
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Well we can at least blame him for leaving the U.S. unprepared to deal with the virus!
https://youtu.be/fGNFhfd3Xbo Here's what Trump is really concerned about; https://youtu.be/hJujThoYxco ETA; The other link |
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27th February 2020, 11:22 AM | #170 |
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27th February 2020, 11:23 AM | #172 |
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27th February 2020, 11:24 AM | #173 |
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My impression is that concession is just a tradition. I don't think there's any law that says the loser must concede. I don't even think he has to sign off on anything on Inauguration Day.
However (as mentioned before), could he sign himself in as Emergency Power due to the virus crisis? But we'll know by that time if the main crisis is over, or it will already have had massive impact. Think of what's happened just in the last week. Several months passing makes it totally unpredictable. |
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27th February 2020, 11:24 AM | #174 |
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From Trump's Covid 19 address:
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You aren't really providing a lot of reason to be confident in your position
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27th February 2020, 11:30 AM | #177 |
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They aren't really arguments though are they.
It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this" It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part. I have visions of people on here sitting on their couch wishing it will happen, just to justify their silly paranoia |
27th February 2020, 11:38 AM | #178 |
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So, if someone else wins, who does Roberts swear in?
Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law? To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report? How many of the institutions, the various bureaucratic systems will just accept a proclamation rather than follow the laws? Yes, it's both silly and paranoia. |
27th February 2020, 12:02 PM | #181 |
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I'm convinced that most of the people dismissing the possibility that Trump could refuse to accept the 2020 election results if he loses will immediately segue to defending him if and when he does!
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27th February 2020, 12:04 PM | #182 |
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27th February 2020, 12:10 PM | #183 |
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Even if Trump refuses to accept the results, how does that impact, say, who Roberts swears in? Or to whom the house and senate sends their bills for signature?
Trump could set up a desk on the driveway at 1600. It's an irrational concern that he might see himself as president when the government does not. The machinery will move forward with or without his objections. His objections to the results will not matter one iota. |
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27th February 2020, 12:25 PM | #187 |
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27th February 2020, 12:27 PM | #188 |
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He panders to violent, smooth brained, racist cretins with a lot of guns who like to mail pipe bombs. And the Republicans have been stacking government offices for decades with loyalists that are there to enforce the party agenda.
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Jesus ******* Christ, right? I mean, how many times does it need to be laid out in clear words that we aren't concerned he'll succeed, the debate is if he'll try?
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27th February 2020, 12:33 PM | #191 |
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Actually, every bit of that is absolutely irrelevant to my concerns: That Trump refuses to concede and rallies his base to anger at the unjustness of him losing the election. Even if the new President is sworn in and Trump sulks away, I'm still concerned with pockets of terrorist attacks perpetrated by Trumptrash here and there. |
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For the lawmakers, they would know that anything signed by the person not duly elected wouldn't be valid.
Everyone else would likely follow the rule of law. Most of the people who operate the machinery would follow the rule of law. Because it's what we do. Most of us have worked through various administrations and would do what is right. Eventually, the choice of the people would bear out and those that supported the coup would likely lose various benefits when removed from our jobs. |
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Are you concerned with what Bernie Bros might do?
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