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28th February 2020, 09:27 AM | #281 |
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The problem for Trump is that any honest answer about the Virus right now is: "we don't know".
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28th February 2020, 09:29 AM | #282 |
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Yes, the flu currently causes many more deaths than the covid-19. However:
- Covid-19 is a new disease that has emerged within the past year. At this point, its possible that the low death toll is simply due to the fact that it hasn't had the time to spread - While nobody has died in the united states, the mortality rate for the virus appears to be 20 times higher than for the flu in other parts of the world. - Its currently a disease for which there are no vaccines, and for which there is no natural immunity in the population. |
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28th February 2020, 09:33 AM | #283 |
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I find it disturbing, irresponsible, and childish that people are politicizing this in such a fashion. If you don't buy into the panic you're supporting Trump? That's ridiculous. As ridiculous as painting the disease as totally insignificant in order to defend Trump. It's a disease. We've had them before, we know how these events go. This isn't unique in history or medicine or politics. Yes, politics are very interesting. But they don't need to dominate our approach to every event that occurs, especially when so doing inhibits proper response to the event.
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28th February 2020, 09:37 AM | #284 |
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28th February 2020, 09:37 AM | #285 |
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28th February 2020, 09:41 AM | #286 |
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28th February 2020, 09:44 AM | #287 |
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Sure the media is doing it's "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" routine same as they did with... list too long to bother typing out at this point let's just say "Every new disease ever."
That doesn't mean the response to said thing from a known idiot is nothing to worry about. |
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28th February 2020, 09:53 AM | #288 |
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The difference between us having them before and having them now is the people in charge of those responses. We had hurricanes before, that didn't make the response and the stupidity of the Bush Administration any less severe. Which is the subject of this thread, right? The response and how it will be used.
The response to this virus is both extremely concerning and profoundly insufficient....but hey! At least no one's dead in the US yet! /celebrate |
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28th February 2020, 10:02 AM | #289 |
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I believe the first four in the line of succession are all well over 70.
I did mean fantastic, but you got the drift of what I was saying - they will see him as a coward for not being out there in solidarity with them. Yeah, definitely not Haitians. Wasn't worth checking, so thanks. I'd think he'd have a chef in house who isn't allowed to leave who can cook it for him. |
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28th February 2020, 10:03 AM | #290 |
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An actual conversation that just took place:
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28th February 2020, 10:30 AM | #291 |
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28th February 2020, 10:32 AM | #292 |
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28th February 2020, 10:33 AM | #293 |
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It's hard not to politicize this, given how Obama dealt with Ebola.
Trump had the perfect Infrastructure to deal with Corona, and he threw it away because it came from Obama. Trump made this public health crisis political in 2017. |
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28th February 2020, 10:34 AM | #294 |
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Asked and answered.
Now I'll ask a question. How do you feel it was handled properly? Do you think anything could have been handled better? |
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28th February 2020, 10:34 AM | #295 |
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28th February 2020, 10:36 AM | #296 |
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Watching Trump when he talked about the "miracle", made me realize that his insanity can still make me laugh and leaves me feeling that it is all surreal, scratching my head, thinking 'is this for real'?
Oh, and does it make me a bad person for hoping Trump and Pence come down with the virus? Really asking for a friend . . . |
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28th February 2020, 10:45 AM | #298 |
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Not the person that was asked, but my answer:
- Put someone other than Pence in charge. Someone with a background in medicine (or at least someone who's not anti-science enough to believe in creationism). - Acknowledge that the cuts to the CDC and tp the National Security Council that dealt with medical issues were a mistake and reverse them immediately - Quit trying to claim that its some sort of conspiracy to make Trump look bad. - Provide accurate data (unlike when trump tried to contradict a doctor by giving him wrong data about the spread of Covid19 in the states, or comparisons with influenza.) And don't suppress information either. |
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28th February 2020, 10:53 AM | #299 |
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Why weren't more testing capabilities available maybe. But do we really know what is involved in securing tests for a new virus? There was a problem with some initial tests released apparently. |
28th February 2020, 11:05 AM | #300 |
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Is that true? The media love to talk about "mysterious" viruses. They were using that language for HIV for years after it became clear how the virus spread. It's true that novel viruses are all mysteries in the sense that it's hard to tell how and why they become established in human populations. With HIV, it took a while for people to accept that casual contact was not a risk factor. Of course, that does not seem to be the case with this coronavirus, which makes the new bug scarier in one sense.
I have no special knowledge but from what I've read, in general epidemiologists often find a lot of stuff out very quickly. I am not saying soft-pedal the danger, but also be aware of what is being discovered. At first I didn't fault Trump for his optimistic statements, but the "miracle" BS rubs me he wrong way. My hope is that Trump's hostility to the CDC has not been enough to seriously compromise the agency's mission. Pence can look concerned and offer prayers, as long as he doesn't get in the way, and Trump should shut his fat gob for a change and let experts do their jobs. |
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28th February 2020, 11:27 AM | #302 |
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28th February 2020, 11:31 AM | #303 |
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28th February 2020, 11:43 AM | #307 |
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28th February 2020, 11:45 AM | #308 |
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Yes, its true.
We do know some things, but there is still a lot that is unknown, such as: - The actual incubation period. It is likely 14 days, but that needs some confirmation - how infectious the disease is before people become symptomatic - how common it is for people to show no symptoms at all throughout the disease - Its likely that the virus is spread between people through water droplets in the air and on surfaces, but we don't know if those are the only mechanisms - How long the virus remains viable when its on a surface
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Plus, some of the countries that are currently dealing with Covid19 (China and Iran) are notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to discussing internal issues. |
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I'm a lifelong atheist and would never vote for Trump. But I know what he means when he uses the figure of speech "like a miracle". I've used it myself. I've also used "like magic".
Though I don't know if it's actually accurate because I don't know if all virus outbreaks "end" with a miraculous suddenness. |
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He's probably internally thinking of polio and smallpox.
"You know, many years ago, so many people had polio, so many people had smallpox. Many many people. Now you never hear about that any more. What happened? It's like a miracle that they just disappeared and now we don't have to worry about it any more." |
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28th February 2020, 12:06 PM | #315 |
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A whistleblower has come forwards stating that due to incompetence and going against the advice of the CDC the Trump administration may have facilitated the spread of the virus. For taking her complaints up the chain of command she was threatened with termination and reassigned. Officials tried to cover it up, including seemingly trying to mislead Congress.
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