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Old 12th September 2018, 04:04 PM   #1241
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As I understand it, very few posters still believe that Knox was guilty, right?

In that case, it's fascinating to go back to the original thread to look at the first reactions to Skeptic Ginger's OP.

Also, I love this one, from another thread.
I didn't belong to ISF back in 2009 so it was interesting to read those early threads. What struck me was the amount of false information that was out there...much of it the same false info that die hard guilters still believe. For example, that Knox did cartwheels during the interrogation. First off, she didn't do "cartwheels" but was doing yoga and, even if you believe they were cartwheels, they weren't done during the interrogation but while she was waiting for RS.
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Old 13th September 2018, 02:18 AM   #1242
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I didn't belong to ISF back in 2009 so it was interesting to read those early threads. What struck me was the amount of false information that was out there...much of it the same false info that die hard guilters still believe. For example, that Knox did cartwheels during the interrogation. First off, she didn't do "cartwheels" but was doing yoga and, even if you believe they were cartwheels, they weren't done during the interrogation but while she was waiting for RS.
The main thing that struck me was why the pro guilt crowd people never seemed to wonder why, If Amanda Knox took a giant kitchen knife with her boyfriend to go slaughter her roommate, the crime scene was covered in the prints and DNA of a random burglar? They seemed content that crimes can just have random inexplicable accomplices that don't alter the context or narrative of a case.

On page 1 of the original thread a poster brings that very point up. BTW, nobody ever responded to him, nor anyone else on the issue, in the pursuing 100,000 posts.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:26 AM   #1243
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Umm...no. You never quoted Massei itself stating the charges were dropped. Claiming now that you did so does not make it true. Would you care to quote it now? Good luck!


Not that it will do any good, but once again, here are the charges as listed in the Massei Report. Note the money, credit cards and cell phones are included:



Here are the verdicts on charges under section D





I asked you before what the "residual charge under chapt. D" was if not the money and credit cards as listed in the charges? You failed to answer that then as you will fail to do so now. Want to guess why that is?
That was not an issue listed for trial. It was not even tried. It was dismissed.

It was on the original charge sheet, which is why it is mentioned at all.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:29 AM   #1244
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The case was not dismissed. It went to trial. Remember? The guilty verdict was overruled. A dismissal is a dismissal - no verdict.

The verdict in its final glory is “NOT GUILTY”!

Do try to remember it.
...'due to insufficient evidence'. Not 'not guilty' as we know it.

M-B made it clear the pair are highly suspicious and Knox was definitely at the murder scene as of the time of the murder, she named Patrick to deflect away from her knowing it was Guede.

Why would your sweet little pure angel want to protect this 'local burglar from Africa'?

Think about it.

Let us know when the penny drops.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:36 AM   #1245
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As I understand it, very few posters still believe that Knox was guilty, right?

In that case, it's fascinating to go back to the original thread to look at the first reactions to Skeptic Ginger's OP.

Also, I love this one, from another thread.
You are not aware that Amanda Knox' rent-a-crowd all post on here en masse? The same mob who post on IIP, her fan club.

Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL about Knox/Sollecito and you'll see the vast majority of people are not fooled by this pair for one nano-second.

The 'Friends of Amanda' are actually a minority. Their profligacy on these pages shouldn't lull you into thinking they represent a balanced view.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:37 AM   #1246
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To be fair you'd expect if a prosecutor was going to round up two perfectly normal college students leading productive civil lives and toss them in a dungeon for life the evidence must have been very convincing. Not the typical oh they're just a couple of junkie criminals anyway so even if they didn't do this particular crime oh well wrongful conviction process.

The key to this case is that a criminal with no ties to either student left bloody prints and DNA all over the scene, had a criminal history of break-in styles identical to the one at the cottage, was spotted by an eyewitness carrying a switchblade (at a previous crime), which precisely matched the murder weapon as described by the medical examiner (which ruled out the giant kitchen knife in the prosecution's case). I don't think a lot of that was well known or publicized at the time. If you weren't aware of those facts you had an excuse. If you were, well there's no helping you.
What struck me was the immediate, knee-jerk reaction to SG's OP. Her position was rejected out of hand. How things have changed!
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:42 AM   #1247
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
...'due to insufficient evidence'. Not 'not guilty' as we know it.
Yes, actually. Exactly not guilty as we know it.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:10 AM   #1248
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
...'due to insufficient evidence'. Not 'not guilty' as we know it.

M-B made it clear the pair are highly suspicious and Knox was definitely at the murder scene as of the time of the murder, she named Patrick to deflect away from her knowing it was Guede.
It said that even if one accepted the prosecution's/convicting lower court's HYPOTHESIS that they'd been at the cottage - even if - it was safe to rule out their participation in the murder. You are reading a guilter-PR version of the report. Here is what the report actually said:
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9.4. However, a matter of undoubted significance in favour of the appellants, in the sense that it excludes their material participation in the murder, even if it is hypothesised that they were present in the house on via della Pergola, consists of the absolute lack of biological traces attributable to them (except the clasp which will be dealt with further on) in the murder room or on the victim’s body, where instead numerous traces attributable to Guede were found.
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Nevertheless, even if attribution is certain, the trial element would not be unequivocal as a demonstration of posthumous contact with that blood, as a likely attempt to remove the most blatant traces of what had happened, perhaps to help someone or deflect suspicion from herself, without this entailing her certain direct involvement in the murder. Any further and more meaningful value would be, in fact, resisted by the fact - which is decisive - that no trace leading to her was found at the scene of the crime or on the victim’s body, so that - if all the above is accepted - her contact with the victim’s blood would have occurred after the crime and in another part of the house.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:09 AM   #1249
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It said that even if one accepted the prosecution's/convicting lower court's HYPOTHESIS that they'd been at the cottage - even if - it was safe to rule out their participation in the murder. You are reading a guilter-PR version of the report. Here is what the report actually said:
How many times has Vixen been asked to cite a shred of evidence to support a claim that Amanda was at the cottage at the time of the murder, or that Amanda washed Meredith's blood from her hands. Vixen is incapable of citing such evidence because none exists. All she can do is take Marasca out of context. You'd think someone as brilliant as Vixen claims to be, and who has studied the case as extensively as Vixen claims to have done, would have no problem citing evidence to support such claims.

I find it curious that she keeps making the claims here. She has to know everyone else on this board know the claims are false, and her inability to cite a shred of supporting evidence just makes her look more and more foolish, yet she continues to do it. It's truly fascinating trying to figure out what makes a guilter tick.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:14 AM   #1250
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
You are not aware that Amanda Knox' rent-a-crowd all post on here en masse? The same mob who post on IIP, her fan club.

Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL about Knox/Sollecito and you'll see the vast majority of people are not fooled by this pair for one nano-second.

The 'Friends of Amanda' are actually a minority. Their profligacy on these pages shouldn't lull you into thinking they represent a balanced view.
Not a lot gets by the DAILY MAIL comment section. Have you seen their take on the headline story "Denise reveals reason for her VERY sudden nuptials." Astounding.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:19 AM   #1251
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How many times has Vixen been asked to cite a shred of evidence to support a claim that Amanda was at the cottage at the time of the murder, or that Amanda washed Meredith's blood from her hands. Vixen is incapable of citing such evidence because none exists. All she can do is take Marasca out of context.
Vixen would do well to quote Luca Cheli's commentary on the 2015 Supreme Court report. Cheli highlights four shadows in the report where, in places, it was less than clear - on exactly the same point in other places it was fuzzy. One was to Express an opinion of "exactly when" following the murder AK and RS had definitively been there.

Then again it was not up to any court to prove the pairs' innocence. It was enough that the 2015 court said that the evidence Nencini had had in front of him, actually proved that neither AK nor RS had had any material participation in the murder.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:29 AM   #1252
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Amanda Knox is innocent of killing Meredith Kercher in the same way Ted Bundy is innocent of killing Meredith Kercher. In that neither were there participating or aware the murder was happening. Amanda because she was a few blocks away visiting her boyfriend. Ted Bundy because he was dead at the time, having been executed some years prior for murdering dozens of women. By pointing these basic facts out I am now a Friend of Amanda, and a Friend of Ted Bundy. Two for one special. Though there's about 100 billion other people that have ever existed not being Rudy Guede murdering Meredith Kercher who I am now a Friend Of.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:42 AM   #1253
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That was not an issue listed for trial. It was not even tried. It was dismissed.

I tell you what...if you can identify what the "residual charges" in chapter D for which they were acquitted were, you will be proved correct. I've asked you to do so several times. You have failed to do so each time. I will ask you once again:

What were the residual charges Massei mentions here in the verdicts if not the credit cards and the money?

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FOR THESE REASONS
Under articles 533 and 535 of the Criminal Procedure Code
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KNOX Amanda Marie and SOLLECITO Raffaele guilty of the crimes ascribed to them under chapter A) of the charges, into said crime being absorbed the felony contested under chapter C), as well as [guilty] under chapter B), D) limited to the mobile phones and E) and, as far as regards KNOX Amanda Marie, additionally the crime she has been charged with under chapter F),
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Exonerates the accused of the residual charge under chapter D) because it was not proven that the crime was committed.
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Old 13th September 2018, 11:08 AM   #1254
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You are not aware that Amanda Knox' rent-a-crowd all post on here en masse? The same mob who post on IIP, her fan club.
I haven't posted on IIP in 3 1/2 years as I told you before.
I see that you have resorted to the "paid" posters nonsense again. I've always thought it ludicrous but for you to think that 3 1/2 years after the definitive acquittal we'd still be being paid (which never happened in the first place) to post in some forum in a corner of the internet is even more ludicrous. If I accused the (few remaining) posters on TJMK of being paid shills, you'd think I was nuts. And you'd be right.

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Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL about Knox/Sollecito and you'll see the vast majority of people are not fooled by this pair for one nano-second.
So we are supposed to base our opinions on what misinformed random posters on a tabloid comment section believe instead of the evidence? Uh-huh.

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The 'Friends of Amanda' are actually a minority. Their profligacy on these pages shouldn't lull you into thinking they represent a balanced view.
The majority of people overwhelmingly believe that anyone arrested and tried for anything is guilty. And once that early formed opinion is in place, most people simply cannot admit they were wrong no matter what the evidence shows otherwise.
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Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL about Knox/Sollecito and you'll see the vast majority of people are not fooled by this pair for one nano-second.
You must be joking.
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Old 13th September 2018, 12:35 PM   #1256
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Originally Posted by Vixen
Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL about Knox/Sollecito and you'll see the vast majority of people are not fooled by this pair for one nano-second.
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You must be joking.
This pair?

Mignini and Comodi?

Massei and Nencini?

Stefanoni and..... well, she's about it as far as forensic-DNA "experts" are concerned.....

But Vixen needs to stick to the guilter-PR script a bit better. The hoax that Vixen claims is not fomented by AK and RS; it's been fomented by every forensic expert who has ever independently looked at the evidence - or lack of same.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:17 PM   #1257
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This pair?

Mignini and Comodi?

Massei and Nencini?

Stefanoni and..... well, she's about it as far as forensic-DNA "experts" are concerned.....

But Vixen needs to stick to the guilter-PR script a bit better. The hoax that Vixen claims is not fomented by AK and RS; it's been fomented by every forensic expert who has ever independently looked at the evidence - or lack of same.
We mustn't forget that the PR supertanker was capable of buying off the foremost forensic scientists in the world and one of the most respected criminal experts in the world. Then there's the mafia and Masons who bought off not only Hellman and Zanetti with a couple Ferraris, but also the Supreme Court of Italy.

We don't need no stinkin' forensic and criminal experts. We got internet posters in the comment sections!
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Old 13th September 2018, 05:09 PM   #1258
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If you won't believe me about the FACT that the Marasca-Bruno report vindicated Amanda Knox AND Raffaele Sollecito, maybe you'll believe Maneula Comodi. You DO know who Maneula Comodi is, don't you?

This is a screen capture from the 2017, late fall YouTube video from the original prosecution team - who are still claiming that Sollecito and Knox are guilty.

But even they can read what the 2015 Supreme Court said. BTW - the translation was done by Machiavelli!

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Vixen:

If you won't believe me about the FACT that the Marasca-Bruno report vindicated Amanda Knox AND Raffaele Sollecito, maybe you'll believe Maneula Comodi. You DO know who Maneula Comodi is, don't you?

This is a screen capture from the 2017, late fall YouTube video from the original prosecution team - who are still claiming that Sollecito and Knox are guilty.

But even they can read what the 2015 Supreme Court said. BTW - the translation was done by Machiavelli!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...afbf970329.jpg
Now, now...we all know that Prosecutor Comodi doesn't know how to properly read a legal court motivation report. Perhaps she should consult the legal eagles on TJMK.
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Vixen:

If you won't believe me about the FACT that the Marasca-Bruno report vindicated Amanda Knox AND Raffaele Sollecito, maybe you'll believe Maneula Comodi. You DO know who Maneula Comodi is, don't you?

This is a screen capture from the 2017, late fall YouTube video from the original prosecution team - who are still claiming that Sollecito and Knox are guilty.

But even they can read what the 2015 Supreme Court said. BTW - the translation was done by Machiavelli!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...afbf970329.jpg
The full youtube 2017 video (1H19M22S) featuring Comodi and Mignini with some others - including one of Guede's lawyers, Nicodemo Gentile - is at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOjYpH1WdM

There is a translation to English (subtitles) and some written commentary by Machiavelli.

Mignini's statements about the role of the CSC relating to its evaluation of the merits seems directly at odds with how Italian law (CPP Article 606.1E) is applied, considering that both the Chieffi CSC panel and the Marasca CSC panel used that law to review the merits. He apparently also has a problem understanding that the Marasca CSC panel applied CPP Article 620.1L, which allows the CSC to annul a case without referral when it believes that course is justified. He apparently forgets these points of Italian law when they don't agree with his prejudices or show that his investigation and prosecution of the case was a sad farce, an attack on justice and the rights of the innocent.

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He apparently forgets these points of Italian law when they don't agree with his prejudices or show that his investigation and prosecution of the case was a sad farce, an attack on justice and the rights of the innocent.
Looks like he has trouble admitting when he's wrong, too. This seems to be a common characteristic amongst many of the PGP.

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Looks like he has trouble admitting when he's wrong, too. This seems to be a common characteristic amongst many of the PGP.
Another characteristic of the PGP is the misconception that certain Italian authorities actually understand or follow Italian law or the European Convention and ECHR case law (which Italy and Italian authorities must follow, because of the Italian Constitution and Italy's treaty obligations).

Take, for example, Police Officer Michele Giutarri's application to the ECHR. It was ruled inadmissible by the ECHR because he had failed to exhaust domestic remedies and because he had no grounds for complaint under the Convention:

Giuttarri brought an application before the ECHR against Italy, claiming that Italy had violated his rights under Convention articles 8, 13, 3, and 6.1 when the Italian authorities investigated him and charged him with abuse of power and other offenses. His application GIUTTARI c. ITALIE 42733/07 was ruled inadmissible in an ECHR decision published 02/12/2014.

Here's an excerpt of the decision translated by Google from the French original:

"25. Relying on Article 8 of the Convention, the applicant complains of the seizures of which he was the subject.

26. Relying on Article 13 of the Convention, the applicant alleges that he does not have an effective remedy in Italian law to denounce the violation of his right to respect for his private life.

27. Relying on Articles 3 and 6 § 1 of the Convention, the applicant complains of having been the victim of inhuman and degrading treatment and unfairness of the criminal proceedings against him.

43. It follows that this complaint {under Article 8} must be rejected for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies, pursuant to Article 35 §§ 1 and 4 of the Convention.

46. ​​It follows that this complaint {under Article 13} is manifestly ill-founded and must be rejected in accordance with Article 35 §§ 3 (a) and 4 of the Convention.

52. The Court considers that the mere initiation of criminal proceedings and the completion of two searches and seizures of documents clearly do not reach the minimum threshold of gravity to fall within the scope of Article 3 of the Convention. Accordingly, no appearance of a breach of that provision can be found in the present case.

53. It follows that this complaint {under Articles 3 and 6.1} is manifestly ill-founded and must be rejected in accordance with Article 35 §§ 3 (a) and 4 of the Convention."
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Another characteristic of the PGP is the misconception that certain Italian authorities actually understand or follow Italian law or the European Convention and ECHR case law (which Italy and Italian authorities must follow, because of the Italian Constitution and Italy's treaty obligations).

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Here's another example of the failure of Italian police to follow Italian law and the European Convention, and the consequences - and lack of consequences - for their actions during the unjustified beatings and arrests of peaceful demonstrators at the 2001 G8 meetin in Genoa:

"G8 Genova: Bolzaneto, 26 condannati a pagare danni allo Stato per 6 milioni
Per risarcimenti sborsati alle vittime degli abusi durante il G8 di Genova nel 2001

Sei milioni di euro per i danni causati allo Stato in seguito ai risarcimenti pagati a chi subì gli abusi nella caserma di Bolzaneto durante il G8 di Genova nel 2001. Lo hanno stabilito i giudici della Corte dei conti di Genova che hanno condannato 26 persone, tra personale medico-sanitario, appartenenti della polizia, carabinieri e polizia penitenziaria. Tra questi, come anticipato nell'edizione locale di Repubblica, anche Alfonso Sabella, all'epoca dei fatti capo dell'Ispettorato del Dipartimento dell'amministrazione penitenziaria (Dap) e il generale Oronzo Doria, ex capo area della Liguria degli agenti di polizia penitenziaria.
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Per il pm, oltre al danno patrimoniale, si doveva aggiungere anche il danno all'immagine dello Stato e delle varie amministrazioni, quantificato in 5 milioni di euro: gli episodi di violenza avvenuti a Bolzaneto "hanno determinato un danno d'immagine che forse non ha pari nella storia della Repubblica"."

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G8 Genoa: Bolzaneto, 26 sentenced to pay damages to the State for 6 million
For compensation paid out to victims of abuse during the G8 in Genoa in 2001

Six million euros for the damages caused to the State following the compensation paid to those who suffered the abuse in the Bolzaneto barracks during the G8 in Genoa in 2001. The judges of the Court of Auditors of Genoa who sentenced 26 people, among medical personnel, members of the police, carabinieri and penitentiary police. Among them, as anticipated in the local edition of the Republic, also Alfonso Sabella, at the time of the facts head of the Inspectorate of the Department of Prison Administration (DAP) and General Oronzo Doria, former head of Liguria area of prison police officers.
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According to the prosecutor, in addition to the damage to assets, the damage to the image of the State and of the various administrations, quantified at 5 million euro, must also be added: the episodes of violence in Bolzaneto "have caused damage to the image that perhaps has no equal in the history of the Republic ".

Source: http://www.ansa.it/liguria/notizie/2...20cc8b611.html

Here's a follow-up to the above case brought by Italy against Italian police authorities:

"G8, Diaz: Procura Corte dei Conti chiede 8 milioni agenti
5 milioni per danno immagine per Gratteri, Caldarozzi e altri

La procura della Corte dei Conti della Liguria chiede un risarcimento danni di oltre 8 milioni di euro (3 milioni di danni patrimoniali e 5 per danno d'immagine) a 27 appartenenti ed ex appartenenti alla polizia di stato, per i pestaggi avvenuti alla scuola Diaz durante il G8 di Genova del 2001. A essere citati dalla procura contabile sono i dirigenti e i funzionari dell'epoca, tra questi anche Francesco Gratteri, allora direttore del servizio centrale Operativo, il suo vice Gilberto Caldarozzi; il capo della Digos di Genova Spartaco Mortola oltre al comandante del primo reparto mobile di Roma, Vincenzo Canterini, il suo vice comandante e i capisquadra; oltre agli altri funzionari coinvolti nei fatti. Per la procura, devono risarcire un danno patrimoniale indiretto, ovvero i risarcimenti alle parti civili pagati dal Ministro, oltre alle spese legali per i processi, il tutto per oltre 3 milioni di euro. Nei prossimi mesi sarà fissata l'udienza davanti ai giudici contabili che dovranno decidere nel merito."

Google translation:

G8, Diaz: Procura Corte dei Conti asks for 8 million agents
5 million for image damage to Gratteri, Caldarozzi and others

The Prosecutor of the Court of Auditors of Liguria asks for damages of more than 8 million euros (3 million damages and 5 for damage to image) to 27 members and former members of the state police, for the beatings occurred at the school Diaz during the G8 of Genoa in 2001. To be cited by the attorney of the accounts are the managers and officials of the time, among them also Francesco Gratteri, then director of the central operational service, his deputy Gilberto Caldarozzi; the head of the Digos of Genoa Spartaco Mortola as well as the commander of the first mobile department of Rome, Vincenzo Canterini, his deputy commander and the foremen; in addition to other officials involved in the facts. For the power of attorney, they must indemnify indirect damage, that is, compensation to the civil parties paid by the Minister, in addition to legal costs for the proceedings, all for over 3 million euros. In the next few months the hearing will be held before the accounting judges who will have to decide on the merits.

Source: http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cron...b210efe3f.html

Thanks to european neighbor on IIP Forum for calling attention to these articles.

I should also point out that there were several ECHR judgments that ruled that Italy had violated the Convention rights of the individuals who had been beaten and falsely detained.

These cases are summarized in the Country Profile for Italy, page 6, including the following:

Bartesaghi Gallo and Others v. Italy (applications nos. 12131/13 and 43390/13)

The case concerned the ill-treatment to which 42 demonstrators were subjected by police officers inside a school, in the context of an anti-globalisation demonstration organised to coincide with the 27th summit of the eight major industrialised countries (G8).


Blair and Others v. Italy (applications nos. 1442/14, 21319/14 and 21911/14) and Azzolina and Others v. Italy (applications nos. 28923/09 and 67599/10)

The cases concerned incidents following the G8 Summit in Genoa in 2001, when demonstrators were subjected to violence by law-enforcement officers while in detention. The applicants alleged that they had been subjected to torture and complained that the investigation by the domestic courts had been ineffective, in particular because the statute of limitations had been applied to virtually all the acts committed and because a number of those convicted had been granted a remission of their sentence.

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Old 14th September 2018, 02:57 PM   #1264
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This should piss off the (teeny tiny) crowd over on TJMK :

https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2018/09/n201659.html
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Old 14th September 2018, 03:11 PM   #1265
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As I understand it, very few posters still believe that Knox was guilty, right?

In that case, it's fascinating to go back to the original thread to look at the first reactions to Skeptic Ginger's OP.
Ooh, and there I am (in amongst all the people who no longer post here) being all skeptical and stuff, and right on the first page, too!
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Old 14th September 2018, 03:14 PM   #1266
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Read any comments column in the DAILY MAIL ....
Er, no thanks.
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Old 14th September 2018, 03:15 PM   #1267
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
This should piss off the (teeny tiny) crowd over on TJMK :

https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2018/09/n201659.html
It certainly pisses me off - all I get is a "page not found".
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
This should piss off the (teeny tiny) crowd over on TJMK :

https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2018/09/n201659.html
Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
It certainly pisses me off - all I get is a "page not found".
I too could not get the link to work.

But try this one:

https://search.uc.edu/search?q=cache...ess=p&oe=UTF-8

Quote from that page:

"Thu, September 13, 2018

Exoneree Amanda Knox spoke to University of Cincinnati College of Law school students Thursday at the University of Cincinnati College of Law about her experience with a flawed and unfair legal system, the perspective she gained during her ordeal and life after her wrongful conviction."

It's great that there's a site that can piss off the TJMK "crowd" [LOL] and objective followers of this case as well, even if for different reasons.
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For Amanda Knox's talk at UC Law, also try: https://law.uc.edu/news.html

However, the link from that page didn't work either. A conspiracy?
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Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
I too could not get the link to work.

But try this one:

https://search.uc.edu/search?q=cache...ess=p&oe=UTF-8

Quote from that page:

"Thu, September 13, 2018

Exoneree Amanda Knox spoke to University of Cincinnati College of Law school students Thursday at the University of Cincinnati College of Law about her experience with a flawed and unfair legal system, the perspective she gained during her ordeal and life after her wrongful conviction."

It's great that there's a site that can piss off the TJMK "crowd" [LOL] and objective followers of this case as well, even if for different reasons.
Thanks, Numbers.

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For Amanda Knox's talk at UC Law, also try: https://law.uc.edu/news.html

However, the link from that page didn't work either. A conspiracy?
FAKE NEWS!
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Looks like Quennell's "don't let Knox speak" email campaign to law schools, etc. has been a failure. He must be very disappointed.
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Looks like Quennell's "don't let Knox speak" email campaign to law schools, etc. has been a failure. He must be very disappointed.
More importantly, Quennell has never rated a mention for his disruption campaign in any media which covered any one of the speaking engagements - except for here and on TJMK of course.

He did once start a trolling campaign against one school's information officers with whom he'd originally bombarded with his disinformation campaign.

All very sad.
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I noticed the latest article had garnered exactly 3 comments, including one from the author.

Does the T in TJMK stand for Titanic?
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I'm still waiting for Vixen to list what the "residual charges under section D" were.
Somehow, I don't think she will. Just call me a pessimist.
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Not a lot gets by the DAILY MAIL comment section. Have you seen their take on the headline story "Denise reveals reason for her VERY sudden nuptials." Astounding.
I have to 'green arrow' this comment.
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I have to 'green arrow' this comment.
You might want to start by noting that original co-prosecutor Maneula Comodi believed as late as Dec 2017 that the 2015 Supreme Court ruled that AK and RS were not involved in the crime.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I tell you what...if you can identify what the "residual charges" in chapter D for which they were acquitted were, you will be proved correct. I've asked you to do so several times. You have failed to do so each time. I will ask you once again:

What were the residual charges Massei mentions here in the verdicts if not the credit cards and the money?
Do you understand the phrase, 'limited to the mobile phones'?

This means: 'only the mobile phones theft was an issue for this court'. ('Issue' as in the legal meaning of the word.)

Kimo sabe 'residual'?

That means 'an issue considered of trivial note'.
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You might want to start by noting that original co-prosecutor Maneula Comodi believed as late as Dec 2017 that the 2015 Supreme Court ruled that AK and RS were not involved in the crime.
Taking Commodi's words out of context? Would this be the tv chat show?
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More importantly, Quennell has never rated a mention for his disruption campaign in any media which covered any one of the speaking engagements - except for here and on TJMK of course.

He did once start a trolling campaign against one school's information officers with whom he'd originally bombarded with his disinformation campaign.

All very sad.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Do you understand the phrase, 'limited to the mobile phones'?

This means: 'only the mobile phones theft was an issue for this court'. ('Issue' as in the legal meaning of the word.)

Kimo sabe 'residual'?

That means 'an issue considered of trivial note'.

Totally incorrect.

The Massei court clearly and obviously tried Knox and Sollecito on (among other things, of course) the theft of three classes of items: cash, Kercher's credit cards, and Kercher's mobile phones.

The Massei court found Knox/Sollecito guilty (though God knows how....) of the theft of Kercher's mobile phones. That's why, when discussing the conviction under Charge E, the Massei motivations report makes it clear that the conviction is limited to only part of the charge: the part concerning the mobile phones.

But the Massei court (tried and) acquitted Knox/Sollecito of the theft of the cash and the credit cards. These are prescisely the "residual charges" referred to in the motivations report.

"Kimo Sabe"? (sic)
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