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Old 12th September 2018, 05:56 AM   #41
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First off, has it been established that the hunters hadn't purchased the Aussie Firefighter stamp for the special hunting season?

Were the firefighters claimed to have been shot at directly, or might the bullets have traveled beyond their targets (or ricocheted) and the hunters never even knew?
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:57 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
First rule of firearm safety. Never point a gun at something you don't want to hit.
But these are hunters so blatant violations of safety are expected. Shouldn't that count as brandishing?
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:58 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Were the firefighters claimed to have been shot at directly, or might the bullets have traveled beyond their targets (or ricocheted) and the hunters never even knew?
They claim that they watched the hunters point a bipod and scope equipped rifle at them, while the firefighters were trying to draw the attention of the "hunters".

Australian firefighters spent hours hiding from US shooters who 'pointed rifles at them', report reveals

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Dressed in yellow fire shirts and wearing bright yellow hard hats, the group waved at the pair to attract attention before the first shot was fired.

The US Forest Service document states: "The incident personnel watched with binoculars as one of the two individuals put a scoped rifle on a bi-pod and looked up the mountain toward them."

A quote in the report from an unnamed lookout says: "They have a scoped rifled and are pointing it at us."
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Old 12th September 2018, 05:02 PM   #44
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I assume that "rifled" in this case is a typo. I've seen it a couple of times.
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:21 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Is that what you'd assume if you saw someone pointing a scoped rifle at you?
I don't know but the story is not clear, there are multiple versions.

Were the hunter's hands on the trigger?
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:22 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
First rule of firearm safety. Never point a gun at something you don't want to hit.
Yeah yeah. First rule of interpreting a news story, keep an open mind.
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:23 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
First off, has it been established that the hunters hadn't purchased the Aussie Firefighter stamp for the special hunting season?

Were the firefighters claimed to have been shot at directly, or might the bullets have traveled beyond their targets (or ricocheted) and the hunters never even knew?
Or might they have simply heard gunfire?
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:34 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
They claim that they watched the hunters point a bipod and scope equipped rifle at them, while the firefighters were trying to draw the attention of the "hunters".

Australian firefighters spent hours hiding from US shooters who 'pointed rifles at them', report reveals
The facts as stated in the article could easily be misleading.

You're on a ridge, the hunters look through their scopes. Is it not possible they saw movement on the ridge and looked before shooting?

Could it be they didn't know there were firefighters on that ridge until they looked through the scope?

Then the firefighters heard shots fired. Is is possible none of those shots were aimed in their direction?

Is it possible the fire fighters misunderstood the hunter's actions, the hunters not knowing the firefighters believed they were targets, simply kept hunting, not in the direction of the firefighters?

I don't know what happened but there are conflicting news accounts. If they were just hunters hunting illegally, but not those idiot right wingers, is there even a motive? Even if the hunters were idiot right wingers, does shooting at wildfire fighters fit any of their gripes?
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:36 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Or might they have simply heard gunfire?
The second version of the story included the scoped rifles detail, that was not in the OP article. I really hope there is some misreporting going on, because I would hate to think sociopaths like that were running around hunting firefighters. Based on the reporting being all over the place, I'm crossing my fingers and holding out for flawed reporting.
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Old 12th September 2018, 06:41 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Could it be they didn't know there were firefighters on that ridge until they looked through the scope?
Oh please read the articles. The firefighters were wearing high-visibility yellow safety gear and were actively trying to attract the hunters' attention before any shots were fired. That much is not in question.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Oh please read the articles. The firefighters were wearing high-visibility yellow safety gear and were actively trying to attract the hunters' attention before any shots were fired. That much is not in question.
It's a news article. Everything is in question. I wouldn't rule out the Russians, for example.
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Old 12th September 2018, 07:25 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
It's a news article. Everything is in question. I wouldn't rule out the Russians, for example.
There are a couple of contradictions between different articles. The Fairfax article said that charges has been laid. The others said that no charges had been laid. But both are in agreement that the firefighters were wearing high-visibility safety gear, and that they attempted to attract the hunters' attention before any shots were fired.
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Old 13th September 2018, 12:12 PM   #53
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We saw those firefighters getting too close to a bear, so we fired warning shots to let them know they were getting too close. We saved their lives.
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The hunters mistook the Aussie firefighters for Aussie paramedics, who apparently are fair game with no bag limit:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1...amedic/9767676

Ambulances across Victoria were scrawled with the message "it's not OK to assault paramedics" after two women escaped prison despite being found guilty of assault on paramedic Paul Judd, in the Melbourne suburb of Reservoir, last year.

Chenaye Bentley was also attacked and Mr Judd, a 40-year veteran of Ambulance Victoria, is still off work.
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Old 13th September 2018, 04:30 PM   #55
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The hunters mistook the Aussie firefighters for Aussie paramedics, who apparently are fair game with no bag limit:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1...amedic/9767676

Ambulances across Victoria were scrawled with the message "it's not OK to assault paramedics" after two women escaped prison despite being found guilty of assault on paramedic Paul Judd, in the Melbourne suburb of Reservoir, last year.

Chenaye Bentley was also attacked and Mr Judd, a 40-year veteran of Ambulance Victoria, is still off work.
I understand it's depressingly commonplace for EMTs to be violently assaulted, often by very people they're trying to help.
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