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Old 19th July 2018, 06:36 AM   #161
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Old 19th July 2018, 07:01 AM   #162
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In case it hasn't been posted previously, a history of Trump's Russian business connections:
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The simple truth is that Trump has been hungry for Russia projects for more than three decades. He has repeatedly touted plans for a Moscow mega-development and has courted a steady stream of investors from the former Soviet Union for ventures in New York, South Florida and other locations. Trump has enjoyed playing the "big guy" in Moscow. As he bragged to a New York real-estate publication after a November 2013 dinner with prominent business leaders: "The Russian market is attracted to me."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...&noredirect=on
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Old 19th July 2018, 08:31 AM   #163
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By now it's obvious that the soccer ball Trump got from Putin is in fact the Glowing Sphere he first touched in Saudi Arabia - an insidious mind-control device.
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Old 19th July 2018, 08:33 AM   #164
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House Republicans vote down motion to subpoena Trump/Putin interpreter
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Old 19th July 2018, 08:36 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I agree that the interpreter shoudn't be subpoenaed.
But it is unconscionable that there isn't a stenographer present at a meeting of this level.
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Old 19th July 2018, 08:39 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Perhaps you meant to type that Congresscritter's disruptive stunt was slapped down:

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Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., disrupted a public House Intelligence Committee hearing on Thursday, making a motion to subpoena the interpreter who accompanied President Trump earlier this week for a private meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The problem was the hearing was focused on something else entirely — the Chinese threat to the U.S. government and private sector — and ultimately the Democrat's effort was shot down.
That is from your link.

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Old 19th July 2018, 08:42 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Not a law, a change of policy. One pushed for by the Kochs.

With this kind of treatment of dark money, though, one of the premises for why Citizens United was decided as it was, whatever its merits in theory, continues to be shown to be unrelated to reality.

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Old 19th July 2018, 08:53 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I agree that the interpreter shoudn't be subpoenaed.
But it is unconscionable that there isn't a stenographer present at a meeting of this level.
Someone posted an article here recently that President Trump doesn't like stenographers because they tend to record *exactly* what was said, instead of what he thinks was said.

Ah, here it is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/o...ress-news.html
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Someone posted an article here recently that President Trump doesn't like stenographers because they tend to record *exactly* what was said, instead of what he thinks was said.

Ah, here it is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/o...ress-news.html

Or, more importantly, what he wants to tell people was said.
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Old 19th July 2018, 09:10 AM   #170
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Someone posted an article here recently that President Trump doesn't like stenographers because they tend to record *exactly* what was said, instead of what he thinks was said.

Ah, here it is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/o...ress-news.html
It CANNOT be up to the President what is and what isn't recorded: when he meets with foreign leaders, he is a Public Servant, not a private citizen. He is entitled to bury the transcripts under a mountain of classifications, but a record must be kept.
I would argue that not to have a transcript AT ALL violates the Presidential Record Act.
Unless we get to keep Trump's brain when he leaves office.
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Old 19th July 2018, 09:13 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It CANNOT be up to the President what is and what isn't recorded: when he meets with foreign leaders, he is a Public Servant, not a private citizen. He is entitled to bury the transcripts under a mountain of classifications, but a record must be kept.
I would argue that not to have a transcript AT ALL violates the Presidential Record Act.
Unless we get to keep Trump's brain when he leaves office.
Not a problem, he won't be using it.
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Not a problem, he won't be using it.
Why the future tense? He's not using it now.
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Old 19th July 2018, 09:18 AM   #173
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Why the future tense? He's not using it now.
As much as I would like "when Trump leaves office" to be present tense, it isn't. But, his leaving office comes closer every day.
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As much as I would like "when Trump leaves office" to be present tense, it isn't. But, his leaving office comes closer every day.
A majority of Republicans would be fine with him postponing the 2020 election.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post


Unless we get to keep Trump's brain when he leaves office.

Trump lingered last in line for brains

And the one he got was sorta rotten and insane
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Perhaps you meant to type that Congresscritter's disruptive stunt was slapped down:
My title is accurate.

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That is from your link.
Correct. That's why I posted a link, rather than simply making a statement.

Glad you've caught up.
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Old 19th July 2018, 09:56 AM   #177
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[quote=Aridas;12367705]Not a law, a change of policy.[/'quote]

Yes, that's why I called it a "rule", rather than a law, and why I linked to an article rather than just leaving the tweet as it was.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It CANNOT be up to the President what is and what isn't recorded: when he meets with foreign leaders, he is a Public Servant, not a private citizen. He is entitled to bury the transcripts under a mountain of classifications, but a record must be kept.
I would argue that not to have a transcript AT ALL violates the Presidential Record Act.
Unless we get to keep Trump's brain when he leaves office.
It violates the intent, perhaps, but I don't think that it violates the letter of it. It was created during a time when what just happened was pretty much unthinkable, after all.

Of course, it would be unthinkable even today, if the Republicans of Congress hadn't become so lost in partisanship that they're now largely traitorous scum.

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Yes, that's why I called it a "rule", rather than a law, and why I linked to an article rather than just leaving the tweet as it was.
Indeed. The tweet's misleading enough that I figured that I would specifically point that out, though. A change in law has much different implications that a change in policy.
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Trump lingered last in line for brains

And the one he got was sorta rotten and insane
PUSA, nice.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
My title is accurate.



Correct. That's why I posted a link, rather than simply making a statement.

Glad you've caught up.
You gave the stunt a veneer of respectability it did not deserve, which is why I typed "perhaps" one might have wished to make the circumstances clear, but we get it.
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By now it's obvious that the soccer ball Trump got from Putin is in fact the Glowing Sphere he first touched in Saudi Arabia - an insidious mind-control device.
Wasn't that the same sphere in the Lord of the Rings? Who is Sauron?
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I notice that Truthless Trump was at it again yesterday. The White House wants to let Russia question American Diplomats? What? Wasn't it enough that Donnie probably handed them the nuclear codes yesterday?
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I notice that Truthless Trump was at it again yesterday. The White House wants to let Russia question American Diplomats? What? Wasn't it enough that Donnie probably handed them the nuclear codes yesterday?
At least some GOP Senators have a tiny bit of backbone. Only a tiny, but some.

Senate votes 98-0 to reject Putin proposal to send ex-US ambassador back to Russia

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/19/p...sia/index.html
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I don't expect that Trump does, either.
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... Who is Sauron?


How could you not know that?
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How could you not know that?
Putin?
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Putin?
Oh, OK, you mean who has the Sauron role.

I thought Saruman was the villain in the post. But I can't find it now.
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Oh, OK, you mean who has the Sauron role.

I thought Saruman was the villain in the post. But I can't find it now.
You got it. We need an Eowyn. Any ideas?
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CNN reporting that Putin is leaking news from the private meeting, a proposal that trump would support a referendum in eastern Ukraine that would shift that area to russian control.

Putin wants trump to allow him to annex more of Ukraine.
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You got it. We need an Eowyn. Any ideas?
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CNN reporting that Putin is leaking news from the private meeting, a proposal that trump would support a referendum in eastern Ukraine that would shift that area to russian control.

Putin wants trump to allow him to annex more of Ukraine.
"Peace in our time" by selling a small country down the river.
That worked so well in the past....
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"Peace in our time" by selling a small country down the river.
That worked so well in the past....
Enough Mr. Chamberlain.
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You gave the stunt a veneer of respectability it did not deserve, which is why I typed "perhaps" one might have wished to make the circumstances clear, but we get it.
I accurately described it, and linked to a source with further detail. Anything beyond that is something you're reading in to my actions, and has nothing to do with either my post or the article linked in that post.
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CNN reporting that Putin is leaking news from the private meeting, a proposal that trump would support a referendum in eastern Ukraine that would shift that area to russian control.

Putin wants trump to allow him to annex more of Ukraine.
That was among the things that I thought Putin would get out of the meeting

From President Trump's point of view it's a no-brainer. He has no hotels in Eastern Ukraine, his supporters couldn't give a **** about Eastern Ukraine (after all they speak Russian there so it makes sense for it to be part of Russia - after all the USA is part of England for that self same reason ) and he personally has nothing to lose there.

He's getting something he values - face time with, and apparent approval from Vladimir Putin - for something which has no value for him - bits of a country a long way away.



edited to add....

Of course who knows what President Trump agreed to in the meeting. There is no objective impartial record and President Trump has already demonstrated that his memory of events is quite malleable.

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So we're getting Round 2 in the Autumn in Washington this time. Donnie must be needing an update on his instructions after he fluffed the last meeting.
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Trump got a ton of money from Ukraine through Michael Cohen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44215656
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump got a ton of money from Ukraine through Michael Cohen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44215656
And was this the old, pro-Russia, Ukraine leadership ?
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Dan Coats says that the Russians may have recorded the private meeting between Trump and Putin
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I hope that the US recorded it too. Were President Trump and the translator patted down and/or searched electronically for devices ? Even if there was no way to transmit our of the room, I hope one of them was wearing a recording device.
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