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Old 26th July 2018, 05:28 PM   #281
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Another coincidence I'm sure.
Claire McCaskill was targetted by Russian hackers shortly after Trump encouraged folks to vote her out
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Old 26th July 2018, 06:11 PM   #282
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So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt.
Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.
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Old 26th July 2018, 06:31 PM   #283
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I'm shocked, I say! Shocked!

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My poor heart, why must you keep shocking it so very much! All these things are such a huge surprise! No one could have seen them coming!
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Old 26th July 2018, 07:16 PM   #284
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Only a fool thinks Donnie Jr. (or Eric) farted without his father's permission. Of course he knew about it. Only a fool thinks that the sons don't consult their father about the business, either. Trump knows everything that goes on in his company. He's a controller.
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Old 26th July 2018, 07:27 PM   #285
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This is local news for me. Didn't Trump say, just this week, that the Russians want Democrats to win?

Tell me again how the Republicans aren't in bed with the Russians?
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:04 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.
AIUI, his defence was to say that Cohen has lied for decades and therefore cannot be trusted. That Cohen lied as part of his job as Trump's lawyer is something he skipped over.
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:06 AM   #287
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The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped.
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:30 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped.
And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing.

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Old 27th July 2018, 01:43 AM   #289
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing.
Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about.
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Old 27th July 2018, 02:15 AM   #290
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Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about.
Yes, and if that trial connects money laundering with Trump incessantly kissing Putin's ass, it won't matter if Manafort flips. People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day.
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Old 27th July 2018, 04:32 AM   #291
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People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day.
Poor people, yes. Rich people play by a different set of rules. If Trump and his associates had merely been stealing money from a 7-11, his ass would have been in jail for witness tampering the moment he said "that Russia thing."
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Old 27th July 2018, 06:23 AM   #292
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When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.
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Old 27th July 2018, 07:35 AM   #293
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When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.
When someone hires a sleazy lawyer for many years, don't be surprised when they turn out to be corrupt.
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Old 27th July 2018, 09:19 AM   #294
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Old 27th July 2018, 10:40 AM   #295
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...29966910742529

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Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington and has invited President Trump to Moscow under “necessary conditions.”
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Old 27th July 2018, 10:44 AM   #296
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(Picture of 2 "Russian" guards guarding Trump's star on walk of fame)
Brilliant! Although not quite as good as the one who actually built a tiny little wall around it.

That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff. We don't need an excuse for the Trump base to point to his critics and say "look how bad they are... breaking the law".
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Old 27th July 2018, 10:45 AM   #297
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
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Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington...
Aren't landlords supposed to give more of a warning before they enter property that they own?
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Old 27th July 2018, 10:48 AM   #298
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post

That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff.
On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.

But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.
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Old 27th July 2018, 11:03 AM   #299
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On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.
Oh, her yacht was vandalized? Can't say that I find that disgusting so much as petty and counterproductive, myself.

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But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.
Indeed. That's a much better form of protest.
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Old 27th July 2018, 11:38 AM   #300
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Vandalizing takes no creativity or intelligence. Even those who despise DeVoss would largely disapprove of it and it would not get the response desired. Building a tiny wall around Trump's star and placing "Russian" guards there gets the desired response.
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Old 27th July 2018, 11:39 AM   #301
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A couple stories from the Daily Kos of some relevance to the thread -

FEC complaint: company laundered Ukrainian money to give to Trump-allied super-PAC

Putin sics his Night Wolves on NATO allies. Trump does nothing. Republicans cower.

Putin invites Trump to Moscow after turning down trip to DC—and Trump says he's going
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Old 27th July 2018, 11:51 AM   #302
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When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.
When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it.

It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale?

Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:15 PM   #303
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When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it.

It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale?

Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.
Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights.
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:40 PM   #304
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Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.
It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out.
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It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out.
No, more like the cult of personality. Trump didn't get to pretend to be a successful, forceful business leader on TV for nothing.
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Old 27th July 2018, 02:28 PM   #306
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Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights.
I can't think of many people I would hate more as President as Pence. But Trump is definitely on the list.
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Old 27th July 2018, 02:39 PM   #307
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Journalist and Trump biographer talks about Trump:
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“We know the Russians have been courting Donald, spending money on him and putting money in his pocket for more than 30 years,” he said. “Donald’s son, one of his sons, has said they were getting lots of money from Russians, and he’d been deeply involved with deals… with Russian gangsters.”
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/27/tru...rumps_partner/
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On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.

But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.
While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages.
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While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages.
Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from.
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Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from.
The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.
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Someone untied it and it scraped against the dock. The DeVoss family will need to use one of their other 9 yachts while it gets repainted.
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The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.
A subtle critique of the Trump Administration, no doubt.
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The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.
Like sailor, like boat.
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The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.
It became untied from its mooring. That much is true. That it wasn't properly tied off is a possibility.
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I'm guessing those are the same guys that were giving out the Russian flag at a Trump rally.

It's funny, though.
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Hillary was holding up a Russian fur hat at one of her speeches. Guess it was just to hot to wear it.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
. For an apropos example, the simple english phrase "out of sight, out of mind" was translate from english to russian and then from russian back to english. The result was the phrase "invisible lunatic". While that has a certain strange logic to it, clearly the idiom has literally been lost in translation.

And don't ask for a reference. That one dates back to the '90s so no hope of that.
I actually heard that one in the 70s. For some reason, my brain is connecting it with a Michael Frayn novel "Tin Men."

Edit: and the phrase "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" was translated as "the whiskey is strong, but the meat is underdone."

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I love how quickly and easily some have been manipulated into claiming that the Russians were actively helping Clinton win. I mean, it wasn't even a fortnight ago that Putin himself clearly and unequivocally said that he wanted Trump to win.
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Hillary was holding up a Russian fur hat at one of her speeches. Guess it was just to hot to wear it.
She was keeping it out of Trump's reach when he mistook it for another furry object. He does tend to get grabby whenever anything furry gets near his little hands.
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