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Old 2nd August 2018, 08:50 PM   #1481
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Human trafficking on the rise in border region



http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...n12-story.html
I notice there is nothing in that story that says Trump's policies are helping in any way.
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Old 2nd August 2018, 10:49 PM   #1482
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
I notice there is nothing in that story that says Trump's policies are helping in any way.
It's quite the opposite, after all. His policies make things worse.
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Old 2nd August 2018, 11:21 PM   #1483
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Can you say exactly what you're mad about?
Glad you asked.

Trump administration says ACLU — not government — should find deported parents

About a pathological inability to face the consequences of own actions, in short, what is known as "manning up." Lynch mob political rallies. Children in cages. Frontal attack on all humanity (CO2).

Across-the-board cowardice. Intellectual surrender to any self-serving woo, twisted and contorted moral reasoning always ending in "white, so right!"

Betrayal of the nation's interests by a sweeping and profound failure to engage in fact-based science, which is, sorry, what makes any country or civilization great, not the little boys who make toys and sell them using the fruits of that labor. Backstabbing, ignorant betrayal, owing to this lack of any backbone.

tl;dr: For forgetting that balls of steel require a heart of gold to go with them to remain on the right side of history.
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Old 3rd August 2018, 09:25 PM   #1484
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And that's totally unsurprising, honestly, for anyone who's been paying attention. To add to that, of course, families with children are the primary target of Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration prosecutions.

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The Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University analyzed prosecutions during the weeks following Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s announcement that all people crossing the border illegally (and as it turns out legal asylum seekers) would be prosecuted. The administration said that family separations and baby jails was just the consequence of that. They lied. The analysis found that in May, 4,458 adults with children were arrested along with 24,465 adults without children, but only 9,216 were actually referred for prosecution. Only 32 percent of the adult immigrants crossing were charged—less than one in three were chosen for prosecution and those chosen were parents. Families were targeted.
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Old 3rd August 2018, 10:50 PM   #1485
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Judge says Trump team '100 percent' responsible for finding deported immigrant parents

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"The reality is that for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child, and that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration," Sabraw said. "The government has the sole burden and responsibility and obligation to make (reunifications) happen."
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Old 4th August 2018, 11:39 AM   #1486
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Well, DUH! Any other conclusion would be "Trumpian logic".
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Old 4th August 2018, 09:09 PM   #1487
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But but clinton!!
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I'd like to see the ACLU find the parents because the Trump administration has made it clear they plan to claim they can't find them.

But, the judge should order the government to pay the ACLU a hefty sum for their services. And that sum needs to come out of the ICE budget immediately.
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These people are monsters.

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The Trump administration chose to prosecute parents with children over adults without kids, according to a new analysis of immigration data, in another sign that the "zero tolerance" policy was manipulated to target families at the border.

When Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the "zero tolerance" policy, he said everyone who was caught crossing the border illegally would be prosecuted. Family separations, the administration said, were simply a consequence of prosecuting all immigrants who were caught trying to enter the US illegally.

But an analysis of prosecutions during the weeks after Sessions announced the policy found that during May, US border authorities chose to prosecute adults with kids over adults crossing the border by themselves. That same analysis — by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University — found that only 32% of all adult immigrants caught crossing the border were charged with entering the US illegally that month — an indication that it wasn’t a blanket policy but a targeted effort directed at parents with kids.
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I have no problem at all with anyone enforcing this policy being harassed day and night. I want to see them driven out of restaurants, PTA meetings, their churches, disowned by their families. They need to live in hated isolation until their misery drives them to do what a decent person's moral compass would have.
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Old 13th August 2018, 04:14 PM   #1491
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Four-year-old adopted child of American citizens in danger of deportation:
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...id=mailsignout
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Four-year-old adopted child of American citizens in danger of deportation:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...id=mailsignout
MS13 Mastermind - obviously.
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Old 13th August 2018, 10:51 PM   #1493
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Four-year-old adopted child of American citizens in danger of deportation:

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A Colorado couple says their adopted daughter could be deported in the coming weeks after, they say, the Trump administration denied her citizenship application without explanation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...id=mailsignout
Have the little girl draw a card showing Trump as Captain America stepping on all the Big Bad Rapist Killer Mexicans and he'll let her stay.
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Old 8th September 2018, 08:36 AM   #1494
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...34281880735745

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Old 8th September 2018, 11:37 AM   #1495
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At some point, the strategy for payment for the wall changed from "and we'll make Mexico pay for it" to "and we'll torture immigrants children and their parents to terrorize Democrats into agreeing to the US paying for it."
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Old 9th September 2018, 05:47 AM   #1496
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At some point, the strategy for payment for the wall changed from "and we'll make Mexico pay for it" to "and we'll torture immigrants children and their parents to terrorize Democrats into agreeing to the US paying for it."
I think it is time to be frank about the fact that Trump's Republican Party is quite simply the American Nazi Party by another name. One should expect morally reprehensible policies and actions, as well as count on the fact that democracy and human rights mean nothing to white supremacists; in fact, they are threats.

These people need to be voted out of office and then prosecuted for their crimes.

(I don't, by the way, agree with calls to allow Trump to last until 2020 and not be impeached "because the crazies would go wild." If they would do so, then they should do so, and the sociopolitical upheaval lived through and fully experienced. Sweeping Confederates (KKK/Nazis) under the rug and pretending they are normal was a huge mistake 150+ years ago, and would be an even bigger one now.)
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Old 9th September 2018, 06:25 AM   #1497
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
I think it is time to be frank about the fact that Trump's Republican Party is quite simply the American Nazi Party by another name. One should expect morally reprehensible policies and actions, as well as count on the fact that democracy and human rights mean nothing to white supremacists; in fact, they are threats.

These people need to be voted out of office and then prosecuted for their crimes.

(I don't, by the way, agree with calls to allow Trump to last until 2020 and not be impeached "because the crazies would go wild." If they would do so, then they should do so, and the sociopolitical upheaval lived through and fully experienced. Sweeping Confederates (KKK/Nazis) under the rug and pretending they are normal was a huge mistake 150+ years ago, and would be an even bigger one now.)
Umberto Eco's 14 common features of "Ur-Fascism"

http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/u...f-fascism.html

worth comparing to Trump's agenda
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Old 9th September 2018, 10:10 AM   #1498
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
I think it is time to be frank about the fact that Trump's Republican Party is quite simply the American Nazi Party by another name. One should expect morally reprehensible policies and actions, as well as count on the fact that democracy and human rights mean nothing to white supremacists; in fact, they are threats.
And... I firmly object. While it's true that the Republican Party is descending into horribleness, their brand of horribleness is not the Nazi kind and it's unlikely to actually become the Nazi kind, even if it finally actually reaches outright fascism. It's not quite there yet, even if is it well on its way towards it. I find it somewhat doubtful that it would be ever be as directly murderous as the Nazis became, as well... at least in the same manner. I could see them dropping nukes relatively easily, though.

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These people need to be voted out of office and then prosecuted for their crimes.
Those that have committed them, at least.

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(I don't, by the way, agree with calls to allow Trump to last until 2020 and not be impeached "because the crazies would go wild." If they would do so, then they should do so, and the sociopolitical upheaval lived through and fully experienced. Sweeping Confederates (KKK/Nazis) under the rug and pretending they are normal was a huge mistake 150+ years ago, and would be an even bigger one now.)
It would be rather uncomfortable, but meh. The only main reason to hold back on impeaching for the Democratic Party, if it actually had a real chance of success (it mostly doesn't right now), would be because of how excellent Trump's being at getting out the Democratic vote, shifting the political situation immensely just ahead of the next redrawing of the maps and with a potential Convention quietly looming.
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Just in case you were curious about some of the aftermath in Hurricane disaster treatment...

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Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon has uncovered documents that show that the Department of Homeland Security, somehow found itself directed to divert nearly $10 million — yes ten million dollars — from FEMA to ICE (under the direction of Sessions this money is earmarked for “Internment Camps.”)

This occurred after Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico and killed 3,000 Americans, and before Hurricane Florence is about to hit the East coast.
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Old 11th September 2018, 09:23 PM   #1500
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East coast southerners can be rest assured that even though there isn't money to help with hurricane relief, at least them damned ferners will be jailed!
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East coast southerners can be rest assured that even though there isn't money to help with hurricane relief, at least them damned ferners will be jailed!
To be fair, it's a multi-billion-dollar budget, a bucket in which $10 million is a mere drop. Still, it shows where the priorities are.
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To be fair, it's a multi-billion-dollar budget, a bucket in which $10 million is a mere drop. Still, it shows where the priorities are.
Yeah, pretty much. It might be worth looking into how ICE is doing with their budget, too, after a transfer like that, and why Sessions thought that it was somehow a good idea.
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To be fair, it's a multi-billion-dollar budget, a bucket in which $10 million is a mere drop. Still, it shows where the priorities are.
But hey, at least the Koch brothers' got their tax break!
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But hey, at least the Koch brothers' got their tax break!
Billionaires making more money is absolutely worth a trillion-dollar national debt.
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Hey concentration camps don't pay for them selves. You have to get the profit form somewhere.
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Yeah, pretty much. It might be worth looking into how ICE is doing with their budget, too, after a transfer like that, and why Sessions thought that it was somehow a good idea.
At least we now have FEMA concentration camps. That has to please Alex Jones.
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Hey, now, be fair. That money is to help ICE find a way to stop Florence at the border.
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At least we now have FEMA concentration camps. That has to please Alex Jones.

Well put, sir.

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East coast southerners can be rest assured that even though there isn't money to help with hurricane relief, at least them damned ferners will be jailed!

North and South Carolina both were Trump states in 2016.

So we can count on his loyalty.

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Yeah, pretty much. It might be worth looking into how ICE is doing with their budget, too, after a transfer like that, and why Sessions thought that it was somehow a good idea.
Hmm... speaking of this, CNN has something of note to say.

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The Trump administration this summer quietly redirected $200 million from all over the Department of Homeland Security to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, despite repeated congressional warnings of ICE's "lack of fiscal discipline" and "unsustainable" spending.
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Hmm... speaking of this, CNN has something of note to say.
Great for kickbacks from for profit concentration camps.
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There are now 12,800 migrant children in US detention
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To speak like a cold-hearted bastard:

This sounds really, really, expensive.
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What, this still isn't resolved? What the **** are they waiting for?
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What, this still isn't resolved? What the **** are they waiting for?
For the masses to move on to the next outrage of the moment.

And to be 100% clear I don't mean that in the sense that the actions of this administration aren't outrageous, just that they know the masses are a fickle beast who get bored with whatever it is they are upset about pretty quick.
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To speak like a cold-hearted bastard:

This sounds really, really, expensive.
He's also paying Mexico $20m to deport immigrants. Which is the opposite of how he said transactions between the two countries would go when it came to immigration policy.
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Well, here we are, and they cannot put the families back together. I wonder how many children have been abused, and are still living in terror. If they'd kindly keep people at a safe distance, somebody ought to drop a MOAB on that lying eyesore, the Statue of "Liberty."
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Well, here we are, and they cannot put the families back together. I wonder how many children have been abused, and are still living in terror. If they'd kindly keep people at a safe distance, somebody ought to drop a MOAB on that lying eyesore, the Statue of "Liberty."
Hmm? What's this? It's very much not a matter of "cannot." It's "don't want to."
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He's also paying Mexico $20m to deport immigrants. Which is the opposite of how he said transactions between the two countries would go when it came to immigration policy.
We all heard he'll get Mexico to pay for it. What he really said was we'd pay Mexico for it........
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From the NYT article linked to above:

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Facilities like the one in Tornillo are also more expensive to operate, according to Representative Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations subcommittee that funds the shelter program. She said such facilities cost about $750 per child per day, or three times the amount of a typical shelter.
Nowhere in that article do I see what exactly they're comparing the cost to. It's 3 times the amount of "a typical shelter," but I have no idea what distinction they are drawing between the tent cities and "typical" shelters and why they are more expensive.

Are they amortizing the cost of new tents, maybe? And who exactly is getting this money? That's $22,500 per month, per child. Just send the kids home with a cash settlement that their family can use to move to better neighborhoods or send their kids to private schools.

The only thing wrong with giving Mexico $20M is that the government will probably keep most of it, while the families could use grants to improve their conditions. Maybe it's all different under the new president but I kind of doubt it.

From what I can tell from the article, I don't think these are separated children but teenagers who came on their own, and they are from Central America, not Mexico.

ETA: The new president hasn't taken office yet, they have a 5-month lag time.

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