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Old 21st August 2018, 05:04 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And reports that Omorosa will relase one of her tapes tonight. The bad news just ain't stopping today for Donnie.
It was a dud, just Cohen on Trump's plane heading for the POTUS section.
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Old 21st August 2018, 05:11 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
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Old 21st August 2018, 05:14 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
The crowd keeps trying to chant "Build the Wall" and "Lock Her Up" and they are just ignoring them. Awkward.

They continue to wrongly think Hillary broke the law while ignoring that the Trump administration is more rotten than a four month old banana. If you wrote such a thing it would be decried as too cliche
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Old 21st August 2018, 05:33 PM   #364
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Well, he finished without mentioning anything, other than one comedy bit about "Where's the Collusion".

Otherwise all the usual narcissism and lying. By the end, when he talks about how he, with his money and education, is the real elite, just like the people of West Virginia, he reminds me of a chatbot that has just been trained to get cheers regardless of how nonsensical he is.
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Old 21st August 2018, 05:58 PM   #365
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Probably over the head of a lot of people here, but Trump reminds me more and more of 'Gorgeous Godfrey" in Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" saga everyday.
Yeah, I could see Donnie working for Darkseid.
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Old 21st August 2018, 06:13 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Probably over the head of a lot of people here, but Trump reminds me more and more of 'Gorgeous Godfrey" in Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" saga everyday.
Yeah, I could see Donnie working for Darkseid.
Glorious Godfrey ( sorry, not trying to be pedantic). In the Legends mini-series he took the name of G.Gordon Godfrey.
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Old 21st August 2018, 06:14 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
I agree 200 percent.
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Old 21st August 2018, 06:20 PM   #368
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Trump and his band of hoodwinked deplorables at those rallies remind me so much of WWF/WWE pro wrestling events. I can only hope that here there is some glimmer among the audience of the same underlying knowledge of the fakeness on display, and that not *all* of their enthusiasm is based on unthinking belief in the clown show.

Or am I just giving into my own naive hopes? I ask because we know of the effect of group think, and how behavior can be so easily molded when part of a crowd. When alone, do some Trumpettes entertain doubts they don't reveal to others? I can only hope so, for the good of them as much as everyone else. The seeming accelerating to a conclusion by Meuller could unleash much angst and anger...
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Old 21st August 2018, 06:28 PM   #369
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Trump and his band of hoodwinked deplorables at those rallies remind me so much of WWF/WWE pro wrestling events. I can only hope that here there is some glimmer among the audience of the same underlying knowledge of the fakeness on display, and that not *all* of their enthusiasm is based on unthinking belief in the clown show.

Or am I just giving into my own naive hopes? I ask because we know of the effect of group think, and how behavior can be so easily molded when part of a crowd. When alone, do some Trumpettes entertain doubts they don't reveal to others? I can only hope so, for the good of them as much as everyone else. The seeming accelerating to a conclusion by Meuller could unleash much angst and anger...
When you have people still chanting "Lock her up" a year and a half after the election, you have a good example of people who are stuck in a certain mindset. Solidly. If Trump's continual lying, deplorable personal behavior, Putin brown nosing, bullying, and narcissistic behavior haven't been enough, I'm not sure it's even possible to snap them out of that mindset at this point.
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Old 21st August 2018, 06:33 PM   #370
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Popehat:
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I've been a lawyer for 24 years, and probably will be, God willing, another 24, and I've had awful days in court, and will have more.

But I can comfort myself that I never have, and never shall have, as bad a day in court as the President of the United States had today.
Note: Ken "Popehat" White is no flaming liberal. He leans liberatarian, if anything. It's well worth your time to read his blog and twitter.l
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Old 21st August 2018, 07:01 PM   #371
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
When you have people still chanting "Lock her up" a year and a half after the election, you have a good example of people who are stuck in a certain mindset. Solidly. If Trump's continual lying, deplorable personal behavior, Putin brown nosing, bullying, and narcissistic behavior haven't been enough, I'm not sure it's even possible to snap them out of that mindset at this point.
Keep in mind that these are people who would actually attend a Trump rally.
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Old 21st August 2018, 07:07 PM   #372
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Keep in mind that these are people who would actually attend a Trump rally.
That is what I was referring to; chanting "Lock her up" as they did at tonight's rally in W. VA.
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Old 21st August 2018, 07:13 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.


There isn't much doubt about which party has done the most for blue collar workers, and even for rural ones.

And it isn't the Republicans.

You're right about "appealing" to them, but that's a different thing, as the Trump campaign and Presidency has so starkly demonstrated.

The voters in West Virginia, both blue collar and rural, certainly found promises of the return of coal mining jobs to be more appealing. How much benefit they will actually receive as a result of that appeal is less than apparent.

Unlike the policies which the Democrats were promoting, which would actually help them.

Do you think that the Democrats should take a page from the GOP book and started lying their asses off and promising the impossible just to get votes?

Or do you think that they should continue to try and work for the benefit of all their constituents, including (especially) the blue collar and rural ones?
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Old 21st August 2018, 07:20 PM   #374
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That is what I was referring to; chanting "Lock her up" as they did at tonight's rally in W. VA.
I know. They are oblivious.
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Old 21st August 2018, 07:36 PM   #375
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There isn't much doubt about which party has done the most for blue collar workers, and even for rural ones.

And it isn't the Republicans.

You're right about "appealing" to them, but that's a different thing, as the Trump campaign and Presidency has so starkly demonstrated.

The voters in West Virginia, both blue collar and rural, certainly found promises of the return of coal mining jobs to be more appealing. How much benefit they will actually receive as a result of that appeal is less than apparent.

Unlike the policies which the Democrats were promoting, which would actually help them.

Do you think that the Democrats should take a page from the GOP book and started lying their asses off and promising the impossible just to get votes?

Or do you think that they should continue to try and work for the benefit of all their constituents, including (especially) the blue collar and rural ones?
NO. But I think they need to do a much better job at connecting to them.
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Old 21st August 2018, 08:53 PM   #376
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The GOP do send money to farm states in the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_farm_bill
The money goes to subsidies, school lunches, farmers and in the way of business income, Monsanto. Organic farmers get very little: your crops failed? No wonder, you did not use Monsanto seeds and Roundup! /sarcasm
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Old 21st August 2018, 09:22 PM   #377
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It is a misconception that political parties have to appeal to all voters: they should be working for the interests of their base primarily.
The only way to appeal to all voters is to muddle your message to mean something for everyone and then do basically nothing for anyone but special interest groups.
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Trump further tweets

"Big Rally tonight in West Virginia. Patrick Morrisey is running a GREAT race for U.S. Senate. I have done so much for West Virginia, against all odds, and having Patrick, a real fighter, by my side, would make things so much easier. See you later. CLEAN COAL!!!!"

"I am sorry to have to reiterate that there are serious and unpleasant consequences to crossing the Border into the United States ILLEGALLY! If there were no serious consequences, our country would be overrun with people trying to get in, and our system could not handle it!"
CLEAN COLE?????? no such thing.
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I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
Progressives? Most right wingers have great contempt for a lot of the social justice stuff progressives push. That's often the basis for which the left as a whole gets caricatured. That's not the fault of progressives.

Today's establishment Dems are usually the ones who sneer at the middle class (Clinton's "deplorables" remark) and try to keep the conversation on incrementalism rather than bolder proposals which could help those blue collar people more.

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Trump tweets

"Bill DeBlasio, the high taxing Mayor of NYC, just stole my campaign slogan: PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT! That’s not at all nice. No imagination! @foxandfriends"
Sez the guy whose daughter stole the design (from Obama, no less) for his inauguration cake. Sez the guy whose wife (er.... "wife's spokesliar") plagiarized a speech from the former first lady.
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And my daughter has complained several times to the appropriate department at her work about the dead birds she finds daily at the base of the glass fronted buildings.
Where's Michael Moore when you need 'im? Cheap production, loads of headlines....

Get a crew of actors dressed up as ornithologists, carrying field guides to birds of North America, binoculars hanging from their necks. And survey the morning dead bird count at the Trump Whatchamacallit in Chicago. Or New York. Or anywhere he has a glass tower.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/polit...cus/index.html

Duncan Hunter, a Trump early adopter in Congress has been indicted for gross campaign finance fraud. There seems to be a pattern developing with people associated with Trump. I just can't put my finger on it.
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Not a peep yet.
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Not a peep yet.
Presumably Fox hasn't yet given him his script.
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Not a peep yet.
It's 3 a.m. in Washington; surely time for his Ovaltine and Twitter. Of course, after a rally he may just doze of contentedly with visions of sugarplums disgraced enemies dancing in his head.

But we know he's up again in three hours. If he hasn't thumbed us a greeting then 'Vankie took away his iPhone again.
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I am highly antici-pating the first tweetstorm of this morning after those convictions. No need to speculate on what he'll say because it's likely the end result will be more jaw-dropping than one can imagine.
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Seemingly lost in the shuffle of the last couple of days: https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1031605374657413126

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NEW: Top Democrats on the House Oversight Committee & Subcommittee on National Security have requested info regarding national security adviser John Bolton's security clearance after it was revealed that he worked with alleged Russian spy Maria Butina.

https://democrats-oversight.house.go...ter-revelation
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Not a peep yet.
Seeing the news, his lawyers stole all his phones and nuked them in the microwave of the White House break room.
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Tonight's programing will be something like this:

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Ingram: Repeats the 14 words for an hour
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Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.
They are getting screwed like they voted for, shouldn't that make them happy?
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I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
How do you build bridges to people who don't want them? They don't want realistic programs they want blatant and obvious lies about coal.
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There isn't much doubt about which party has done the most for blue collar workers, and even for rural ones.

And it isn't the Republicans.

You're right about "appealing" to them, but that's a different thing, as the Trump campaign and Presidency has so starkly demonstrated.
Yep and the way to do that is tell them blatant lies that they know are lies. They know coal jobs are not coming back because even if they doubled coal production that would be few additional jobs. They know this and simply don't care.
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Progressives? Most right wingers have great contempt for a lot of the social justice stuff progressives push. That's often the basis for which the left as a whole gets caricatured. That's not the fault of progressives.

Today's establishment Dems are usually the ones who sneer at the middle class (Clinton's "deplorables" remark) and try to keep the conversation on incrementalism rather than bolder proposals which could help those blue collar people more.
Exactly there is nothing deplorable about white supremacists and it is outrageous that a woman would say that they are. Trump knows there are many fine nazis in america and that speaks to rural voters quite effectively.
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How do you build bridges to people who don't want them? They don't want realistic programs they want blatant and obvious lies about coal.
Clean cole.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 03:39 AM   #395
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
Even "coal country" isn't just West Virginia, after all...

The folks that show up to Mango Mussolini rallies to scream about how NFL players should be censored but Alex Jones is great...I'm not worried about them. racists are going to be racist no matter where they live - I could write a book about Boston in that alone. But if dems don't even bother trying, or they outright act snobbish (I think Clinton was more the former, and distorted into the latter), then they can't expect to win no matter what their ideas are.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 05:23 AM   #396
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All this tone policing.

The Democrats did not lose because they failed to build bridges, or because they acted snobbishly, or because they didn't connect with rural voters. They lost to a corrupt pussy grabbing a-hole New Yorker con man dripping with sleaze and cheeseburger grease who exuded nothing but contempt for anyone but his own personal sycophants. It wasn't their freakin' tone.

They lost because they offered nothing but the status quo. They had nothing for people to get excited about! Ooh, a job retraining program? Hot-damn ma, pack up the jalopy, we's goin' to town ta get reintegrated inta tha modern workforce! Hillary was mayonnaise on white bread. She was one of those salad trays with the hummus in the middle. All dried-out baby carrots and raw broccoli. Have you ever seen a party where the salad tray got eaten first?

If the Democrats want to start winning, they need to have stuff that people want to vote for. Voters need to think "these guys are going to make things better once they get into office." It's that simple.

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Old 22nd August 2018, 05:38 AM   #397
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
How do you build bridges to people who don't want them? They don't want realistic programs they want blatant and obvious lies about coal.
Build the bridge out of coal?
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Old 22nd August 2018, 05:52 AM   #398
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If Trump hadn't paid hush money to his mistresses, he very probably wouldn't have won the election.

If Trump hadn't colluded with Russians and paid the hush money, he almost certainly wouldn't be president now.

History will record that Trump got where he is by cheating and lying his way through life, and he won an election by exploiting the resentment and hatred of people whom has no concern for at all, because he is obsessively self-absorbed.

It will also record that 40% of us still don't care as long as he carries out his regressive right-wing agenda. Sad.
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"A large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch Hunt!"

"Michael Cohen plead guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime. President Obama had a big campaign finance violation and it was easily settled!"
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