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Old 2nd September 2018, 03:50 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Which one is the vampire?
The cute little dog that was always hiding under the bed when the sun was shining. It's a surprise twist with a half gainer at the end. M. Night Shamalamadingdong directs.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I am officially jealous as

That there is pretty much on the top of my bucket list

Never been remotely interested in cruise ships, but I would imagine with that area it would be the greatest way to do it, so would make an exception.
If you like remote areas, nature, Alaskan people, mountains, glaciers, and people who dress better than you do, you will like an Alaskan cruise. I did like the guy who wore a tuxedo with shorts on one of the formal nights. It is a bucket list thing though, I am guessing I spent a total of 5k on it for 2 people. Most stuff comes in in barges so not much need for a bridge. those container greenhouses would make a mint there though. One of my tour guides pointed out a store that sold bell peppers for 8$ each.
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
The cute little dog that was always hiding under the bed when the sun was shining. It's a surprise twist with a half gainer at the end. M. Night Shamalamadingdong directs.
Brilliant. It can be a Werepire! No one would ever suspect!!!
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Old 4th September 2018, 04:28 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Which one is the vampire?
That would be the Canadian super villain of the piece.
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Old 4th September 2018, 04:48 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Border Reiver View Post
That would be the Canadian super villain of the piece.
"No, Mr Bond, I expect you to die, eh?"
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Apologies

I assumed you meant the Antarctic more than the Arctic given the Arctic is already colonized and they are already taking it's resources
On the plus side think of the possible cost overruns building a bridge from US to russia by way of the antarctic!
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I took an Alaskan cruise last week. I think this makes me an expert on the subject. One of the nice things about the deepwater ports in Alaska is that they are open year round because they do no freeze over.
How much of that is the results of icebreakers? The hudson river doesn't freeze over either, but it used to. It is to important to let it.

Same with a lot of the great lakes.
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Given that containerized shipping has made cargo ships about the most efficient way to move cargo(both in money and carbon footprint) the only benefit such a bridge would provide is allowing some people so say they drove from England to New England.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaBrant View Post
I heard the ocean doesn't freeze but maybe I am wrong
Yeah, you are wrong. The north pole sits in the middle of approximately 14.5 million square kilometers of frozen ocean.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
How much of that is the results of icebreakers? The hudson river doesn't freeze over either, but it used to. It is to important to let it.

Same with a lot of the great lakes.
When I was at icy straights near the town of Hoonah they said their port was open year long because it did not freeze and was the only way for the town to be supplied. This is not the artic, just Alaska, and though it is cold, I assume the ports are open year round without icebreakers
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaBrant View Post
When I was at icy straights near the town of Hoonah they said their port was open year long because it did not freeze and was the only way for the town to be supplied. This is not the artic, just Alaska, and though it is cold, I assume the ports are open year round without icebreakers
But are they?

For example see

https://coastguardnews.com/freezing-...ne/2018/01/08/

"Based on the number of ice breakers in New England, the Coast Guard has to prioritize any requests for ice breaking assistance. The top priorities are keeping Coast Guard search and rescue stations capable of responding to emergencies, aiding vessels beset in ice, and helping island communities receive fuel, food, and medical supplies by water. The Coast Guard will also break ice to facilitate the safe navigation of cargo ships and tankships, passenger ferries, and commercial fishing vessels."

Seems like saying it is all natural isn't accurate.
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I was south of anchorage so the area might be different than in the arctic regarding icebreakers. Google doesn't say.
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The only vague reason for such a bridge would be to ship rail freight from the Americas to Asia. It's marginal cost would, I guess, be cheaper than sea transport. I'd like to see some numbers on exactly how long it would take to start recouping money. I imaging it would be in the range of decades.
Of course, the Chinese have talked about a rail network stretching from China-Russia-Alaska-Canada-to the rest of the US:
https://anonhq.com/china-plans-8000-...dersea-tunnel/

Doing it for passengers seems uneconomic when you can fly. For Freight - Don't know.
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Of course, the Chinese have talked about a rail network stretching from China-Russia-Alaska-Canada-to the rest of the US:
https://anonhq.com/china-plans-8000-...dersea-tunnel/

Doing it for passengers seems uneconomic when you can fly. For Freight - Don't know.
According to this article, maritime shipping is cheaper.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/e...sts#gs.OmrTJ8Y

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A study presented by Sea Point Group suggested that maritime transportation could save some $2,000-per container over railway transportation when moving containers between Long Beach CA and Memphis TN.
It seems the best case, rail is would be roughly similar in cost so the bridge wouldn't make sense from an economics standpoint.
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According to this article, maritime shipping is cheaper.
It might be able to be faster while around the same price but that would be a pretty small benefit
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
According to this article, maritime shipping is cheaper.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/e...sts#gs.OmrTJ8Y



It seems the best case, rail is would be roughly similar in cost so the bridge wouldn't make sense from an economics standpoint.
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It might be able to be faster while around the same price but that would be a pretty small benefit
If you want speed, you fly.

If you want very large quantities, shipping still wins.

There is also the question of where you are going.

Alaska isn't renowned for its manufactured goods, so presumably you'd be sending stuff from, say Seattle or Vancouver to somewhere like Beijing or Tokyo.

It might be shorter and possibly faster to sail across the Pacific.
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A rail bridge would make more sense than road, but of course there are no railroads in the region either. Perhaps when Trump and Putin conclude FWFTA (Frozen Waste Free Trade Area) there'll be more need.
Next issue: you can't go from Alaska to the "lower 48" (by land) without first going through Trump's arch-nemesis' land.
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Next issue: you can't go from Alaska to the "lower 48" (by land) without first going through Trump's arch-nemesis' land.

Mexico?
Germany?
France?
*obviously* not Russia
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Mexico?
Germany?
France?
*obviously* not Russia


The man Trumps hates the most... besides Mueller, and the free press, and the other heads of states he co-hates the most, and Bob Woodward, and Colin Kaepernick...
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Oh, that one.

Have you considered it's a way of getting goods to Alaska via his bestie?
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Technically possible, but economically very unlikely;it would be very expensive (same with a tunnel) and would probably not pay for itself for lack of traffic.
You are dealing with what is probably the worst weather in the world.
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Technically possible, but economically very unlikely;it would be very expensive (same with a tunnel) and would probably not pay for itself for lack of traffic.
You are dealing with what is probably the worst weather in the world.
And a complete lack of anything near a market on either side.

Unless eider ducks have more purchasing power than I understood.
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Oh, that one.

Have you considered it's a way of getting goods to Alaska via his bestie?
Put stuff on a ship bound for Murmansk or St Pete's, go thousands upon thousands of miles by rail along the Transiberian, then over a multi billion dollar bridge to Alaska, all for Trump to avoid Trudeau and send money Putin's way Yeah I can see it.
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Put stuff on a ship bound for Murmansk or St Pete's, go thousands upon thousands of miles by rail along the Transiberian, then over a multi billion dollar bridge to Alaska, all for Trump to avoid Trudeau and send money Putin's way Yeah I can see it.
We are talking about someone who invited a Qanon proponent to the White House, so it's relatively sensible compared to that.
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Funny thing, I was watching this today......

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It notes that one of the bigger issues with a Bearing Strait Bridge is that there is a lack of connecting roads on either side.
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And a complete lack of anything near a market on either side.

Unless eider ducks have more purchasing power than I understood.
I believe they are used as currency by the largest consumer segment in that neighborhood, Kodiak bears.
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It notes that one of the bigger issues with a Bearing Strait Bridge is that there is a lack of connecting roads on either side.
But that wouldn't matter if they put a Bullet Train on it.
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It notes that one of the bigger issues with a Bearing Strait Bridge is that there is a lack of connecting roads on either side.
Complains about having to use a ferry to cross the Lena river, but ignores having to use a ferry or Eurostar train to get from France to Britain. I'm still certain you could drive across the Bering Strait with a suitable vehicle for much of the year.
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Complains about having to use a ferry to cross the Lena river, but ignores having to use a ferry or Eurostar train to get from France to Britain. I'm still certain you could drive across the Bering Strait with a suitable vehicle for much of the year.
I'm not so sure that in the strictest since of these terms, that such is possible. There is a technical work around in that there are two islands separated by a relatively short distance were the ocean does freeze sufficiently to cross between them periodically. One is Alaskan the other Russian, but you pretty much have to ship your vehicle to the Alaskan island (and then ship it from the Russian island), though you would technically be travelling over a section of the Bering Strait and going from American territory to Russian territory. most of the Bering Strait winter ice is fractured and piecemeal, being pushed southward by winds and ocean currents, perhaps if you had some sort of amphibious vehicle, the longer trip over a lot of ice-boulder slurry could be accomplished, but shifting ice can trap and sink most vessels not specifically designed to handle shifting floating ice masses.

Under the best conditions, hiking across the 20-30 mile wide narrows may occasionally be quite possible, and if you extend driving to include snow mobiles, that may salvage the premise of driving across the Bering Strait. But most I've seen seems to indicate that flat level ice sufficiently thick to bear the weight of vehicles is a very rare occurrence and quite temporary in nature.

Last attempt I'm aware of (trying to cross from Russia to Alaska) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQYnTMKm9BI
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I actually read the wiki article about the Strait after posting. Sounds like crossing over ice is more difficult than I thought due to currents.
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Interesting... I started looking up some info on the strait between Sicily and Italy (Messina), expecting a straightforward "if they haven't done it here..." comparison, since it's much narrower & wider and its location would make the cultural and climatological issues obviously favor a Messina bridge over a Bering one by a wide margin... but it turned out that there's one factor pointing the other way, which could very well swamp all other considerations and make the comparison useless: Messina is five times as deep (which also implies a much steeper slope at the bottom). This is why we look things up first, kids! I wonder if a better comparison can be found somewhere between Asia and Australia...
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The problem with bridges is that they are insufficiently flexible to handle the mighty currents of the straits, and the giganto ice burgers that zoom and swoosh therein. Clearly, then, we need some kind of flexibility...the flexibility for which whales are famous! Buoyant, swimming, floating, clever whales! trained to form a bridge and let cars drive along their backs! Then when not needed, the whales disperse into vapor --as is their wont -- until they whalemaster summons them forth again with the whalesignal. Yes, this is 100% practicable and engineeriwise-safe. We would be fools not to do it! Come! Join me in the glorious whale bridge future! WHALE BRIDGE! Make it happen, or don't!!!
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That's stupid. If they could hold the weight of cars we would already have whale ferries.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
That's stupid. If they could hold the weight of cars we would already have whale ferries.
They can, the problem is they won't.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
That's stupid. If they could hold the weight of cars we would already have whale ferries.
I think the preferred term is either "Homosexual whales", or "Non-heteronormative cetaceans". Please update your vocabulary.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
They can, the problem is they won't.
When the destruction of Earth is near-complete and the whales begin making their journey into space, we will finally, truly regret how we treated them.
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They can, the problem is they won't.
It is unprofessional to blame the student for your inability to teach.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
It is unprofessional to blame the student for your inability to teach.
It's unstudently of the students to fail to obey me when I command them to learn without being taught. A proper student would absorb the information osmotically from the Akashic record.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
When the destruction of Earth is near-complete and the whales begin making their journey into space, we will finally, truly regret how we treated them.
If we eat enough whale-meat we'll absorb their spacetravel powers.
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