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Old 14th September 2015, 04:53 AM   #1
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Australian Politics - The Turnbull period.

It's official - Turnbull has just been elected PM by 54 votes to 44 and Julie Bishop is the deputy PM.
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Old 14th September 2015, 04:59 AM   #2
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Treasurer will be interesting. Morrison was earlier reported as staying loyal to Abbott, but I'll bet he gets the job. Dutton? In the bin I hope. His gaffe and Abbott's laughing support may well have been the catalyst.

I wonder if Bishop and Turnbull have a "Kiribilli Agreement"? I think so.
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I'm not sure this is good for Labour. Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.

In fact, if Turnbull wants to win the next election, he will call for an immediate conscience vote on gay marriage. Pass that, then call an election.

He might have to do something with Syrian refugees too. And we will have a Liberal party government until 2020.

But I can't be sad that Abbott is out.
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Old 14th September 2015, 05:08 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I'm not sure this is good for Labour.
I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn has anything to worry about. OTOH Labor does.

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Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.
Yup.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I'm not sure this is good for Labour. Tony could not have beaten Bill Who? in a general election. Turnbull might.

In fact, if Turnbull wants to win the next election, he will call for an immediate conscience vote on gay marriage. Pass that, then call an election.

He might have to do something with Syrian refugees too. And we will have a Liberal party government until 2020.

But I can't be sad that Abbott is out.
I've not supported the liberal party since Sallyanne Atkinson was Lord Mayor of Brisbane.

I worked with Malcolm during the Australian Republican Movement days, and if he can get his personal policy beliefs in to Liberal party policy, then it is a party I would vote for, and I would vote for Malcolm personally.
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A November election will be a disaster for Labor. There needs to be a quick transition to Plibesek for Labor to win, and this will not happen before November.
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Right now I wouldn't vote for either of them.
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Welded on Lib supporters I know not happy.
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Well, that makes me a tiny little bit optimistic about the liberal party actually being Liberal.
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Yes, the Liberal Party electing a Liberal as it's leader. I never!!
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I love the people commenting this morning who don't know how parliament works.

"We didn't elect him!". Well, no, we didn't elect any Prime Minister. We elected the Party that elects the Prime Minister.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I love the people commenting this morning who don't know how parliament works.

"We didn't elect him!". Well, no, we didn't elect any Prime Minister. We elected the Party that elects the Prime Minister.
To be fair, even the former PM had issues with this it seems.

He also "expected to win" and "was confident he had 45" so he couldnt do basic math either, but I digress.
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Still no sign of Tony. Until he resigns, Malcolm can't be sworn in.

He will also be the shortest serving PM since Billy McMahon. Not a good look.
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I really don't think that Mr Turnbull has any hope in the role.

He could renege on some of the worst of the Lib's recent policies, i.e. build the NBN instead of the hopelessly mixed up fraudband project; stop the attacks on the most vulnerable etc...

But if he did, the ultra right-wingers in the party will fall on him like a pack of rabid dogs. (Any guesses how long it would be before Scott Morrison would be in the role in those circumstances?)

So, he has to continue with stuff like we heard last night "We failed to sell our message."

The problem is, Australia understood the message just fine, we just won't stand for it.

I'm expecting no changes, a temporary blip in the polls, and then a continued slide to oblivion.
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A November election will be a disaster for Labor. There needs to be a quick transition to Plibesek for Labor to win, and this will not happen before November.
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To be fair, even the former PM had issues with this it seems.

He also "expected to win" and "was confident he had 45" so he couldnt do basic math either, but I digress.
OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.
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OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.
Congratulations. You have spotted an interesting cultural anomaly.

The whole story of why it is spelled Labor.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/big-quest...829714837.html

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The ALP adopted the formal name "Australian Labour Party" in 1908, but changed the spelling to "Labor" in 1912. While it is standard practice in Australian English both today and at the time to spell the word "labour" with a "u", the party was influenced by the United States labor movement, and a prominent figure in the early history of the party, the American-born King O'Malley, was successful in having the spelling "modernised".[13] The change also made it easier to distinguish references to the party from the labour movement in general.[14] (See also Spelling in Australian English.)

In South Australia the United Labor Party became the South Australian branch of the Australian Labor Party on 14 September 1917.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austra...y#Name_changes

So I blame America.
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OT but is that really Australian spelling?

How would you spell words like:

centre, metre and favourite?

Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.
Won't happen. The margin is bigger than Abbott had when he became leader (1 vote). Abbott is finished and the conservative faction has plenty of alternatives to choose from who are more rounded as political leaders, mainly Morrison. Abbott is turns out was capable of little more than repetitious slogans and head kicking. OK in opposition but severely lacking when you are supposed to be a leader. Right up to the end he was still going on about "Stopped the boats". People wanted him to do that, they don't like to be reminded of it all the time. Stopping boats is a very messy, inhuman process.
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Won't happen. The margin is bigger than Abbott had when he became leader (1 vote). Abbott is finished and the conservative faction has plenty of alternatives to choose from who are more rounded as political leaders, mainly Morrison. Abbott is turns out was capable of little more than repetitious slogans and head kicking. OK in opposition but severely lacking when you are supposed to be a leader. Right up to the end he was still going on about "Stopped the boats". People wanted him to do that, they don't like to be reminded of it all the time. Stopping boats is a very messy, inhuman process.
Ah, so he's like the embodiment of their guilty consciences?

Thanks for the interesting posts.
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Back on topic: An Aussie friend of mine was opining last night that the margin of victory was too small for Turnbull to consider himself safe and that he expects Abbot to mount a leadership challenge of his own.
Nah, 10 is a thumping. We wont see Abbott again.
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One leading business figure picked it earlier this year when he said that "Tony Abbott tried being prime minister but found he preferred being Opposition leader".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-1...abbott/6777070

He has appeared in public.

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Has anyone posted this yet?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...of-tony-abbott

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Nah, 10 is a thumping. We wont see Abbott again.
Indeed. I wonder what Tone will do now. Surely resign and take up, what? His previous occupation was allegedly a journalist. News Ltd hack? He'd be in good company. Some conservative Think Tank job?

Whatever, as a person of influence, he's finished.
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http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliame...s_Seating_Plan

Abbott moved to back bench, but why is Hockey still involved? Turnbull trashed him, I cant believe he still wants to be involved!
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Be afraid, Australia, be very *********** afraid:

A BROMANCE is already blossoming between Malcolm Turnbull and New Zealand’s prime minister.

During his first speech after toppling Tony Abbott, Mr Turnbull pointed to John Key as an example of a successful leader.


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Malcolm Turnbull has taken an instant lead as preferred prime minister in the first poll taken since his swearing in on Tuesday.

The snap SMS Morgan poll showed 70 per cent of voters felt Mr Turnbull was the better prime minister, well ahead of 24 per cent for Labor leader Bill Shorten.

Six per cent of voters indicated someone else or could not say.

Even Labor voters were pleased with the change, with 50 per cent endorsing him as the better prime minister over 44 per cent for Mr Shorten.

Across all states, Mr Turnbull was most popular in Western Australia (76 per cent) and least popular in the ACT (61 per cent).

The poll involved 1204 voters and was conducted on Tuesday afternoon.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1227529072331
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Yup, that's exactly what I was worried about. If he's smart he'll call a November election.
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Yup, that's exactly what I was worried about. If he's smart he'll call a November election.
I think it's a certainty.
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I love the people commenting this morning who don't know how parliament works.

"We didn't elect him!". Well, no, we didn't elect any Prime Minister. We elected the Party that elects the Prime Minister.
Personally I voted Greens followed by Sex Party followed by Labor in Scullin, not that it would have mattered where I put Giles from Labor, they could put up a penguin in Scullin and still win without going to preferences.
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http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliame...s_Seating_Plan

Abbott moved to back bench, but why is Hockey still involved? Turnbull trashed him, I cant believe he still wants to be involved!
Because he isn't going to resign. Turnbull tipped to give him the Communications Minister job instead. Turnbull must have had a smile on his face when he thought that one up. I would guess Joes' argument is that he was only obeying orders.
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It appears that the switch to Turnbull has given the Libs a 5% boost in the upcoming Canning by-election.

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Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie has extended his lead by five points over Labor's Matt Keogh on a two-party preferred basis to 57-43.

A ReachTEL poll for Seven West Media surveyed more than 1000 Canning residents on Monday night during the leadership spill, asking them to consider a scenario where Mr Turnbull was prime minister.
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OT but is that really Australian spelling?
It is spelt "labour" for normal uses, but the ALP has been "Labor" for more than a hundred years now. Not sure why.
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Welded on Lib supporters I know not happy.
But where are they going to go?
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Indeed. I wonder what Tone will do now. Surely resign and take up, what? His previous occupation was allegedly a journalist. News Ltd hack? He'd be in good company. Some conservative Think Tank job?

Whatever, as a person of influence, he's finished.
He could still make trouble. I know he said he wouldn't, but then again, he also said he had never leaked against anyone - which is a joke.
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he also said he had never leaked against anyone - which is a joke.
See, that wasnt him, it was Credlin.

See the game he plays?
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It is spelt "labour" for normal uses, but the ALP has been "Labor" for more than a hundred years now. Not sure why.
The reason for that was posted in the old thread.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The reason for that was posted in the old thread.
It was posted here, in this thread:

Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Congratulations. You have spotted an interesting cultural anomaly.

The whole story of why it is spelled Labor.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/big-quest...829714837.html



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austra...y#Name_changes

So I blame America.
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My mistake. I got the two mixed up. They're really not that different, just with different titles...
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
My mistake. I got the two mixed up. They're really not that different, just with different titles...

Abbott and Turnbull are radically different if the polls are right.
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The ReachTEL national survey of 3278 people, conducted on Tuesday night, found the coalition’s primary vote jumped three percentage points to 43.3 per cent, with the ALP on 35.5 per cent (down 1.6 points) and the Greens 11.9 (down 1.5 points).

On a two-party preferred basis, the coalition and the Labor Party are each on 50 per cent. The coalition has been stuck between 45 and 48 per cent in seven previous ReachTEL national surveys.

Mr Turnbull was the preferred PM for 62 per cent, compared with 38 per cent for Mr Shorten — a near reversal of last month’s survey that had Mr Shorten ahead of Mr Abbott 58-42.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...er-new-leader/
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Abbott and Turnbull are radically different if the polls are right.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...er-new-leader/
I think arthwollipot meant that the threads are not so different.
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It was a joke cashing in on the frequenly-made comment that the Liberal Party won't change much just because it's got a new head.

#explainthejoke
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