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Old 1st December 2017, 07:39 PM   #601
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Distance travelled by the moon = speed of light.
It's ***** amazing that with all the stupidity at that site you found a way to be even more stupid.
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Old 2nd December 2017, 05:19 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
It's ***** amazing that with all the stupidity at that site you found a way to be even more stupid.
From that site...

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These months are related to the moon and not related to the sun. Hence in 1 day the angels will travel a distance of 1000 years
Gonna play fast and loose dimensionally, gonna get false answers.
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Old 2nd December 2017, 07:30 AM   #603
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
From that site...
Gonna play fast and loose dimensionally, gonna get false answers.
And now you're lying like a creationist by quoting half a sentence out of context.

That site is perfectly clear that it's point is that if the distance the moon travels in 1000 years were traveled in a day it would be moving at the speed of light. And that is proper units for speed. That site is plenty wrong and stupid in many ways. Why do you need to lie about it? Are you a plant trying to sabotage the skeptic side of the argument?
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Old 2nd December 2017, 02:44 PM   #604
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Wormholes in Quran:

[Quran 70.1-4] Someone asked about the penalty that will befall the unbelievers; (A penalty) that has none to ward off; (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles.../wormholes.htm
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Old 2nd December 2017, 02:58 PM   #605
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15:14 If We opened for them a gate in the sky and they were to continue ascending to it,

15:15 They would have said, "Our sight has been distorted. No, we are a people who are being bewitched!"
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Old 2nd December 2017, 03:55 PM   #606
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There have been wormholes in trees, books, vegetables, soil since before human memory. Why should such a mention be a surprise to anyone? Except it deals with the supernatural for which there's not a shred of evidence.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:07 AM   #607
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Wormholes in Quran:

[Quran 70.1-4] Someone asked about the penalty that will befall the unbelievers; (A penalty) that has none to ward off; (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles.../wormholes.htm
OMG, the qu'ran predicted wormsigns?

Frank Herbert was right! The spice must flow.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 12:08 PM   #608
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Wormholes in Quran:

[Quran 70.1-4] Someone asked about the penalty that will befall the unbelievers; (A penalty) that has none to ward off; (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles.../wormholes.htm
That translation is completely wrong. Not one of the following forty translations says anything about wormholes.

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/70/3/default.htm
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Old 3rd December 2017, 12:17 PM   #609
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And now you're lying like a creationist by quoting half a sentence out of context.

That site is perfectly clear that it's point is that if the distance the moon travels in 1000 years were traveled in a day it would be moving at the speed of light. And that is proper units for speed. That site is plenty wrong and stupid in many ways. Why do you need to lie about it? Are you a plant trying to sabotage the skeptic side of the argument?
That's the thing about irrational numerological nonsense. One can make any interpretation one can imagine. Maybe I misread it for all I care. May I clicked further down that particular rabbit hole, who cares? I can guarantee you I am not going to re-read that garbage to find out.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 12:29 PM   #610
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That's the thing about irrational numerological nonsense. One can make any interpretation one can imagine. Maybe I misread it for all I care. May I clicked further down that particular rabbit hole, who cares? I can guarantee you I am not going to re-read that garbage to find out.
There is a reason that all Muslim nations combined have contributed less to humanity than single zip codes in the US and it has nothing to do with ability. It has to do with an obsession with nonsense and superstitions as Emre proves with post after post.

Note* That Emre doesn't engage in skeptical discourse. He merely posts some absurdity from the Quran and disappears. I suggest that it is cowardly and lacks belief to hit and run.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 01:38 PM   #611
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That translation is completely ]
That translation is completely true.

It does not matter what other translations say. That's the Arabic.

Gate, maarej...

Today in science they call this transition wormhole.

Allah saying "Gates, Ma'arej "
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Old 3rd December 2017, 03:32 PM   #612
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
That translation is completely true.

It does not matter what other translations say. That's the Arabic.

Gate, maarej...

Today in science they call this transition wormhole.

Allah saying "Gates, Ma'arej "
Since Arabic has been around for a long while, I would guess it has quite a few homonyms. The term wormhole as used in physics and astrophysics dates to 1957. It's a stretch to think nomadic goat herders even knew of neutron stars much less even something as esoteric as a black hole and other esoteric and often hypothetical concepts. The presence of a word which you imagine in a modern context is not proof the original user had any notion whatever of what you're stretching for. And there is no science in the Qur'an.
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Emre doesn't engage in skeptical discourse. He merely posts some absurdity from [scripture] and [claims* it predates 20th Century learning].
Christian fundamentalists do that** altogether too often as well.

*,**Without a shred of credible evidence.
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Christian fundamentalists do that** altogether too often as well.

*,**Without a shred of credible evidence.
Please don't do that again. Don't rewrite my posts. If you are going to quote me, use my quote.

And yes, people of other religions do that. But this thread was started by Emre and he never actually defends his posts.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 04:59 PM   #615
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Time travel to the future in the Quran.


18:9 Did you reckon that the dwellers of the cave and the numerals were of Our wondrous signs?

18:10 When the youths hid in the cave, and they said, "Our Lord, bring us a mercy from Yourself, and prepare for us a right direction in our affair!"

18:11 So We sealed upon their ears in the cave for a number of years.

18:12 Then We roused them to know which of the two groups would be best at calculating the duration of their stay.

18:13 We narrate to you their news with truth. They were youths who acknowledged their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.

18:14 We made firm their hearts when they stood and said, "Our Lord, the Lord of heavens and earth, we will not call besides Him any god. Had We said so then it would be far astray."

18:15 "Here are our people, they have taken gods besides Him, while they do not come with any clear authority. Who then is more wicked than one who invents lies about God?"

18:16 So when you withdraw from them and what they serve besides God, seek refuge in the cave, and your Lord will distribute His mercy upon you and prepare for your problem a solution.

18:17 You see the sun when it rises, visiting their cave from the right, and when it sets, it touches them from the left, while they are in its spacious hallow. That is from God's signs. Whomever God guides is the guided one, and whomever He misguides, you will not find for him any guiding friend.

18:18 You would reckon they are awake while they are asleep. We turn them on the right-side and on the left-side, and their dog has his legs outstretched by the entrance. If you looked upon them you would have run away from them and you would have been filled with fear of them!

18:19 Thus We roused them so they would ask themselves. A speaker from amongst them said, "How long have you stayed?" They said, "We stayed a day or part of a day." He said, "Your Lord is surely aware how long you stayed, so send one of you with these money of yours to the city, and let him see which is the tastiest food, and let him come with a provision of it. Let him be courteous and let no one take notice of you."

18:20 "If they discover you, they will stone you or return you to their creed. Then you will never be successful."

18:21 Thus We let them be discovered so that they would know that God's promise is true and that there is no doubt regarding the moment. They argued amongst themselves regarding them, so they said, "Erect a monument for them!" Their Lord is fully aware of them. Those who managed to win the argument said, "We will construct a temple over them."

18:22 They will say, "Three, the fourth is their dog." They say, "Five, the sixth is their dog," guessing at what they do not know. They say, "Seven, and the eighth is their dog." Say, "My Lord is fully aware of their number, none know them except for a few." So, do not debate in them except with proof, and do not seek information regarding them from anyone.

18:23 Do not say of anything: "I will do this tomorrow;"

18:24 "Except if God wills." Remember your Lord if you forget and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me closer than this to the truth."

18:25 They remained in their cave for three hundred years, and increased nine

18:26 Say, "God is fully aware how long they remained, to Him is the unseen of heavens and earth, He sees and hears. They do not have besides Him any ally, nor does He share in His judgment with anyone."
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Snipped for length
So I decided to peak at this thread again and it seems you're still not contributing anything other than mindless scripture quoting.

I assume it's moot to point out miracles can't continue if they've never started in the first place.
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Please don't do that again. Don't rewrite my posts. If you are going to quote me, use my quote.

And yes, people of other religions do that. But this thread was started by Emre and he never actually defends his posts.
Certainly did not mean to offend. No more editing.
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Certainly did not mean to offend. No more editing.
I just like it clear what I wrote if someone argues with me.
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I just like it clear what I wrote if someone argues with me.
And I was trying to ride your coattails in a sense to show how silly wrong Kumar is.
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Sorry; Emre in this particular thread.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
That translation is completely true.

It does not matter what other translations say. That's the Arabic.

Gate, maarej...

Today in science they call this transition wormhole.

Allah saying "Gates, Ma'arej "
Utter bunk. The entire forty translations listed do not use the word wormhole

but you manage to translate it yourself as something else.
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Time travel to the future in the Quran.


18:9 Did you reckon that the dwellers of the cave and the numerals were of Our wondrous signs?
Sounds like ...snip... Plato.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
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Utter bunk. The entire forty translations listed do not use the word wormhole

but you manage to translate it yourself as something else.
Stop playing the pure role, missionary.

The translation is correct.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Stop playing the pure role, missionary.

The translation is correct.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Stop playing the pure role, missionary.

The translation is correct.
Why do you blaspheme? Do you not believe it is Allah who hardens hearts and minds, as the quaran says he did to the pharaoh and many others so many years ago? Is it your belief that there nothing that occurs that is not the will of your god? Or do you believe your god is so weak that you, a mere human can overcome its will?
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Stop playing the pure role, missionary.

The translation is correct.
Correct or not, it matters not a whit. Your god, like all of the other thousands of claimed gods, is utter nonsense.
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Teleportation in Quran

27:38 He said, "O commanders, which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me peacefully surrendering?"

27:39 A powerful being from among the Jinn said, "I will bring it to you before you rise from your station. For I am strong and trustworthy."

27:40 One who had knowledge from the book said, "I will bring it to you before you blink." So when he saw it resting before him, he said, "This is from the grace of my Lord, so that He tests me whether I am thankful or whether I reject. As for he who is thankful, he is thankful for himself, and as for he who rejects, then my Lord is Rich, Bountiful."

27:41 He said, "Disguise her throne so we may see if she will be guided or if she will be of those who are not guided."

27:42 So when she came, it was said, "Is your throne like this?" She said, "It appears to be similar." We were given knowledge before her, and we had peacefully surrendered.
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Oh shucks teleportation is no big deal. The Catholic Church has about 200 or so Saints in the past who used to fly about all over.
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Behind a spoiler for a naughty word.
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Wormholes and teleportation but no X-boxes or cell phones. How very quaint. Alexa, bring my flying carpet!
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Wormholes and teleportation but no X-boxes or cell phones. How very quaint. Alexa, bring my flying carpet!
And a bucket of fun that is. Apparently, the koran predicted things which do not exist, yet failed to predict things which do exist. Miracle my ****.
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Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.
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Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.
What "other universes"?
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Heavens/Skies = Universes

My Turkish article:

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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Heavens/Skies = Universes

My Turkish article:

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What other universes? Can you name any?
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Well, there's a joint and a film studio?
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Do you suppose Emre has come up with a QuoteBot? Fundies everywhere would pay a pretty to have rights to it.
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Heavens/Skies = Universes

My Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html
This forum adds rel="nofollow" to all outgoing links. That means no matter how many times you link to your blog here, it will do NOTHING to increase your ranking in search engines. At best you'll get a couple people here to follow the link, but the folks here will make sure to NOT click any ads on your site, ensuring you get no ad revenue form it.

All you're accomplishing is ensuring anyone looking up you or this topic is more likely to find a forum where your incompetence is routinely explained and your consistent inability to express yourself beyond copying and pasting someone else's words is highlighted.

With all that in mind, what are you hoping to accomplish by posting here?

If you're really Muslim, why are you working so hard to deliberately invite ridicule upon the text you claim you think is holy?
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