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Old 14th October 2017, 12:55 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
Every time I hear some daft white woman has converted to Islam I wish I could have saved her.
Only white women?

edited to add: ninja’d by Donn, I see.
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Old 14th October 2017, 12:56 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Donn View Post
This is grotesque and shameful. C'mon. Can't you hold your corner without clichιd gumpf?
No its not. Whether you like it or not, it is demonstrably true. Do I think people that come from Arab nations are inherently dumber? I do not. I do believe however that they are intellectually stifled by their religion.
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Old 14th October 2017, 03:12 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
You missed off the end of the verse which makes clear he was referring to his disciples.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple
So his dicta can only be applied to 12 individuals? It is to larf. It does say quite plainly "any man." Whether the comment applies to only 12 or to many, it is a cruel statement regardless.

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Old 14th October 2017, 05:44 PM   #124
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[quote=Scorpion;12033785]You may be rightQUOTE]

I am right all i say.

Islam is the only divine religion.

Islam has always been a religion since the first people.

But people changed their religion in history and gave names like Hinduism and Christianity.

And this change has always been done in the direction of Spiritualism/Paganism, polytheism.

Ghosts, polytheism (Hindus saying "333 in 1", you are saying "3 in 1", holy people, asceticism, fakirism...

Real Islam, real religion is only in Quran now.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:09 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
flew to the heavens on winged horses
No, there is no such thing in the Qur'an.

Real Islam is only in Quran:

https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topi...only-in-quran/

According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.

What makes you think I did not read the books you mentioned?

You are who has not read enough scientific books.

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Old 14th October 2017, 06:21 PM   #126
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[quote=Emre_1974tr;12034311]
Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
You may be rightQUOTE]

I am right all i say.

Islam is the only divine religion.

Islam has always been a religion since the first people.

But people changed their religion in history and gave names like Hinduism and Christianity.

And this change has always been done in the direction of Spiritualism/Paganism, polytheism.

Ghosts, polytheism (Hindus saying "333 in 1", you are saying "3 in 1", holy people, asceticism, fakirism...

Real Islam, real religion is only in Quran now.
Get off the kool-aid. All Religions think they are right and divine. I've yet to hear one that wasn't nonsense including Islam...no especially Islam. Try science, it works.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:23 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Islam has always been a religion since the first people.
Islam only dates from the 7th Century CE. Please try to have your statements show some connection to reality.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:28 PM   #128
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Islam saying try science. Are you Muslim?
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:29 PM   #129
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Islam only dates from the 7th Century CE. Please try to have your statements show some connection to reality.
No, Islam has been there since the first people. Even before people have.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:31 PM   #130
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Allah always sends the same religion.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:36 PM   #131
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flew to the heavens on winged horses QUOTE]

No, there is no such thing in the Qur'an.

Real Islam is only in Quran:

https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topi...only-in-quran/

According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.

What makes you think I did not read the books you mentioned?

You are who has not read enough scientific books.
Get a job...get a life. Learn something real...not an absurd mythology based on the rantings of a murderous pedophile from the 7the century. Pay attention to humans who actually study chemistry, biology, physics and math. Start treating women as equals. Stop beating your women as the Koran instructs you to. Enough with honor killings Put sharia law in the toilet where it belongs. Draw human characters....play music..sing songs...join the 21st century.

Try Plato, Marcus Aurelius, David Hume, Spinoza, Thomas Paine Thomas Jefferson Tolstoy or Christopher Hitchens or Salman Rushdie. Get your head out of the Dark Ages. Learn something useful, not mythical.

You and the world will be better for it.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:38 PM   #132
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Islam saying try science. Are you Muslim?
Yeah right. I don't believe in fairy tales written by a pedophile.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:42 PM   #133
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flew to the heavens on winged horses
No, there is no such thing in the Qur'an.

Real Islam is only in Quran:

https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topi...only-in-quran/

According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.

What makes you think I did not read the books you mentioned?

You are who has not read enough scientific books.

You are an arrogant and ignorant idiot.
And read Quran.

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No, Islam has been there since the first people. Even before people have.
Nonsense. I thought fundamentalist Christians were batcrap crazy, but this is worse.
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Old 14th October 2017, 06:44 PM   #135
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And read Quran.
You said the Koran doesn’t say that Muhammad didn't fly on winged horses.
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Followers of all Islamic denominations unanimously agree on the occurrence of the Prophet’s night journey to Heaven. It is explicitly mentioned in the holy Quran the book which all Muslims agree upon:

سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي أَسْرَىٰ بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلًا مِّنَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ الْأَقْصَى الَّذِي بَارَكْنَا حَوْلَهُ لِنُرِيَهُ مِنْ آيَاتِنَا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. (17:1) https://www.quora.com/Muslims-Do-you...a-winged-horse
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Old 14th October 2017, 08:41 PM   #136
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No, Islam has been there since the first people. Even before people have.
Lies. Islam is a copy of a copy of a watered down religion (Judaisim). Islam took the same mythological war god the Jews and then the Christians worshipped and modified it further for their own purposes. Now you are trying to modify it further. Do you see yourself as a prophet? Are you trying to start your own islamic branch/sect/cult?

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Allah always sends the same religion.
I have done no such thing.
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I have done no such thing.
What will the Emperor say?
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What will the Emperor say?
Not much. He was too busy falling into the Death Star reactor shaft that was installed in his throne room.

Funny that.
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You may be rightQUOTE]

I am right all i say.

Islam is the only divine religion.

Islam has always been a religion since the first people.

But people changed their religion in history and gave names like Hinduism and Christianity.

And this change has always been done in the direction of Spiritualism/Paganism, polytheism.

Ghosts, polytheism (Hindus saying "333 in 1", you are saying "3 in 1", holy people, asceticism, fakirism...

Real Islam, real religion is only in Quran now.
Have you actually read the Upanishads? They pre date the Quran by a couple of thousand years, and they say we are all divine.
Give your mind a rest from the evil lies in the Quran and read the Upanishads. They are truly spiritual.
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Old 14th October 2017, 10:53 PM   #141
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According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.
What the hell are you talking about. Not only does the Quran tell men to beat their wives. It says strike the necks of unbelievers (meaning behead them) and cut off their finger tips also.
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According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.
This is false. Wife-beating is condoned in the quran.

https://quran.com/4/34
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Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
I wonder if Emre understands how dishonest he is making Muslims look.
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No, Islam has been there since the first people. Even before people have.
Your religion is just like all the rest, made up by people. Momo was as much of a whacko as Jesus.
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According to the Qur'an, you can not even slap anyone.
Also not true. Please quote the Surah, or admit you were wrong, and that this injunction is actually in the Hadiths.
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Not much. He was too busy falling into the Death Star reactor shaft that was installed in his throne room.

Funny that.
There was a quote for a mesh over the top but there was a dispute about the cost. I told them to put some plywood over it until it was sorted out but you know how it is.
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I would like to know where Jesus said anything like the cruel verses of Muhammad.
Do you know the curse of Capernaun, Bethsaida and Chorazim?
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Perhaps this is why the Arabs have invented almost nothing.
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.. demonstrably true.
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Really? Do I have to talk about breadth of brush?

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Do I think people that come from Arab nations are inherently dumber? I do not. I do believe however that they are intellectually stifled by their religion.
Wherein you add some nuance, which was needed. Personally, I have a real problem talking about entire peoples as category X or Y. It never ends well.
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Really? Do I have to talk about breadth of brush?

Wherein you add some nuance, which was needed. Personally, I have a real problem talking about entire peoples as category X or Y. It never ends well.
I too have a problem with that. I probably should have used the term Muslim as opposed to Arab. As the problem is the ideology and has nothing to do with race.

It saddens me that people living in the light of discovery are still promoting legend and mythology. There is something fundamentally wrong in the Muslim world that has led to a dearth of modern education and critical thinking. And their society and the world has paid a price for that in possible inventions and poverty.
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No, nobody will beat anyone according to Quran.

http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/...n_(P1179).html

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No, Islam has been there since the first people. Even before people have.


"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists." (Ali Imran 67.)
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No, nobody will beat anyone according to Quran.

http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/...n_(P1179).html

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Did you write your own book? As you sure as hell aren't talking about the Quran as it specifically tells husbands to beat arrogant or disobedient wives. It orders you to kill apostates. The problem is you're not talking about Islam. But that's OK, most Christians don't know what's in their bible either.
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"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists." (Ali Imran 67.)
You don't know the Old Testament either. Your posts are Koo koo.
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"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists." (Ali Imran 67.)
Abraham was not a muslim. Islam was made up centuries after Abraham was supposed to have lived. Your religous and historical knowledge sucks.

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No, nobody will beat anyone according to Quran.

http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/...n_(P1179).html

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No, only if you shop around for one of 10 possible meanings of the problematic word, and choose one that you think helps you.
Moreover, that verse only applies to a husband beating his wife, and is by no means an injunction against any other form of person-to-person violence.
You said 'slap' in your original post. None of what you linked to here refers to slapping either.
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I'm pretty sure both Abraham and Mohamed are Mormons.
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I'm pretty sure both Abraham and Mohamed are Mormons.
I think Muhammad helped Joseph Smith find those gold plates.
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The Qur'an is only allowed to defend itself. Everyone is free to believe in what they want and this is the goal of the world of examination. To confront yourself.

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Old 16th October 2017, 04:45 PM   #158
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The Qur'an is only allowed to defend itself. Everyone is free to believe in what they want and this is the goal of the world of examination. To confront yourself.

My Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...faya-izin.html
Yep, and we're not interested in reading silly mythologies.

You don't even bother to actually defend your claims at a skeptics forum. This is the place where you present a claim and present evidence to support it and openly see if your claim stands up to scrutiny. Not send us elsewhere on a wild goose chase.

Defend your claim vigorously or be gone.
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The Miracles Continue ...

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
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Old 18th October 2017, 05:42 PM   #160
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Is this the limit of your participation on this forum? Just posting links to nonsense articles about a medieval mythology?
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