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Old 28th October 2017, 04:11 AM   #321
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Old 28th October 2017, 03:04 PM   #322
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I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
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Old 28th October 2017, 04:02 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
No answer for you. (soup nazi)

To be serious, that is a strange superstitious nonsense. Why would an omnipotent gawd really care which way one might be pointing?

Why does christian gawd not care?
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Old 28th October 2017, 04:09 PM   #324
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And my challenge remains. I will accept god, allah, vishnu, odin, thor whatever right when some crank turns up with actual testable evidence for the existence of any of them. Thousands of years and frak all to date.
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Old 28th October 2017, 05:34 PM   #325
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Sweet! An origami sun that's haring-off towards a decision.
Maybe the sun is one of those paper fortune tellers.
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Old 29th October 2017, 08:50 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
No answer for you. (soup nazi)

To be serious, that is a strange superstitious nonsense. Why would an omnipotent gawd really care which way one might be pointing?

Why does christian gawd not care?
He's not omipointent.
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Old 29th October 2017, 08:55 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Maybe the sun is one of those paper fortune tellers.
I recall those, from when I was knee-high to a grasshopper!
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Old 29th October 2017, 11:14 AM   #328
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Sweet! An origami sun that's haring-off towards a decision. How much more convincing can the True Qur'an be!
The advantages of simple origami are two fold.
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Old 29th October 2017, 03:10 PM   #329
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Old 29th October 2017, 05:49 PM   #330
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I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.

Apart from that, visit to the pilgrimage is also requested here.

There is also a physical healing structure.

2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the controllers, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous
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Old 30th October 2017, 07:47 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.

Apart from that, visit to the pilgrimage is also requested here.

There is also a physical healing structure.

2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the controllers, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous
So, then! Praying towards Mecca is cultural and not "divinely" mandated; and practicing the Golden Rule, found in myriad cultures, is to be commended. Possibly we're getting somewhere with this.
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Old 30th October 2017, 01:27 PM   #332
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I have said that Islam has existed since the first people.

Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad are all prophets of Islam. There is only one holy religion.

As people changed religion and the book, the prophet and the book were sent again from God.

The Kaaba is also the first Islamic temple in history.

Quran 3:96. "Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Mecca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples;"

After, People degenerated and changed the Kabe and prayer.

Through the Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an came and Islam was once again transformed into its original form.

The Kaaba is purified from idols.

In short, as people and other beings changed their path of salvation, Islam came again.
2:125 We have made the sanctuary to be a model for the people and a security. Utilize the place of Abraham to reach out. We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael, "You shall purify My sanctuary for those who visit, those who are devoted, and for those who kneel and prostrate."

22:26 We have appointed to Abraham the location of the sanctuary: "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My sanctuary for those who will partake, and those who will enforce, and those who kneel and prostrate."
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Old 30th October 2017, 02:26 PM   #333
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Emre,

There are forums where your repetitions of nonsense would be welcome. In this setting, repeating patent nonsense - indeed repetitions of repetitions - remains nonsense. You are convincing no one but yourself. The common term for that is "delusion."
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Old 30th October 2017, 03:22 PM   #334
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.

OK, so I take it from this you are on board with the idea that you should pray facing Mecca. I have another question for you then.

In French Polynesia, in the Southern Pacific, is a location that is diametrically opposite Mecca on our planet. All directions are equidistant to Mecca if you follow the curvature of the Earth.

Should you then pray horizontally in any direction? Or should you pray downwards as this is the most direct route?
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Old 30th October 2017, 04:35 PM   #335
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post

In French Polynesia, in the Southern Pacific, is a location that is diametrically opposite Mecca on our planet. All directions are equidistant to Mecca if you follow the curvature of the Earth.

Should you then pray horizontally in any direction? Or should you pray downwards as this is the most direct route?
Pray horizontally in any direction.
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Old 30th October 2017, 05:34 PM   #336
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So God is in Mecca?
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Old 30th October 2017, 05:50 PM   #337
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No Hans, I am Emre Karaköse.

Peace
And I'm Keyser Söze. Peace!

ETA: Apologies to anyone, er, everyone who used this joke first. Thread was TLDR.

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Old 30th October 2017, 06:16 PM   #338
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http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

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Old 31st October 2017, 03:08 AM   #339
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Www.Space.com

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Old 31st October 2017, 03:19 PM   #340
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A frequent muslimist yell, excuse me, exhortation is "Face east! Face toward Mecca!"

The first question that occurs to an infidel is, "What if you're east of Mecca?"

And some moslemoids will yell back, "Face east around the world until your prayers get to Mecca!"

Yes they do.

But religionists are constantly concerned with Great Matters of that sort.
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No answer to he question of Gods location? Is he in mecca?
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Old 1st November 2017, 09:45 AM   #342
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No answer to he question of Gods location? Is he in mecca?
'Es not in me car!
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Old 1st November 2017, 03:24 PM   #343
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Pray horizontally in any direction.

OK, so the prayer moves around the circle of the Earth so when it hits Mecca, is going in the opposite direction to which it started. Prayers are effected by gravity then?
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Pray horizontally in any direction.
I may be treading on thin ice, but that just seems so “troll-y”.

Unless it was meant tongue-in-cheek.

Regardless, that quote seems almost worthy of a sig line.
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Old 2nd November 2017, 05:24 PM   #345
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Big Bang

47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51- The Dispersing, 47)

21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?

Big Crunch

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
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1. No, that is not a good description of the Big Bang. I certainly would not read it and think "that could be referring to the Big Bang"

2. I know religious people used to believe that heaven was in the sky, but now we know what's really up there I thought they'd decided it was somewhere else entirely?

3. It's been 20 years since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating as previously expected. The Big Crunch is no longer considered a likely possible ending for the universe.
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Big Bang

47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51- The Dispersing, 47)

21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?

Big Crunch

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
Sure. your god extended heaven.

Did he/she/it/housecat get planning permission?
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1. No, that is not a good description of the Big Bang. I certainly would not read it and think "that could be referring to the Big Bang"

2. I know religious people used to believe that heaven was in the sky, but now we know what's really up there I thought they'd decided it was somewhere else entirely?

3. It's been 20 years since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating as previously expected. The Big Crunch is no longer considered a likely possible ending for the universe.
1- I just gave you an example. There are many more verses related to Big bang and expansion.

2- No, heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe

Heavens = universes


https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topi...lord-indallah/

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

My Turkish writing about this subject:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

3- The world of science again concentrated on Big Crunch todays.
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1- I just gave you an example. There are many more verses related to Big bang and expansion.
Unless at least one of them is a much better description of the Big Bang, the number of such references is irrelevant.

My memory from my reading of the Quran a few years ago is that it's essentially a few pages of ranting and unsupported assertions repeated over and over and over again.

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2- No, heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
The heavens originally just meant the sky, and heaven became the name of the place where the gods lived because the gods were usually believed to live in the sky. Deciding to go back to the original meaning of the word in order to invent a link between religious doctrine and modern astronomy is disingenuous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven#Islam

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3- The world of science again concentrated on Big Crunch todays.
Sorry, I can make no sense of this.
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1- I just gave you an example. There are many more verses related to Big bang and expansion.
Of course there are. More for every occasion, foible, contrivance and fail.
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Unless at least one of them is a much better description of the Big Bang, the number of such references is irrelevant.

My memory from my reading of the Quran a few years ago is that it's essentially a few pages of ranting and unsupported assertions repeated over and over and over again.


The heavens originally just meant the sky, and heaven became the name of the place where the gods lived because the gods were usually believed to live in the sky. Deciding to go back to the original meaning of the word in order to invent a link between religious doctrine and modern astronomy is disingenuous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven#Islam


Sorry, I can make no sense of this.
1- Every sentence is very clear. And when the book is read as a whole, the picture is much more beautiful. Not just our universe, but all the universes were created with big bang.

2- No, it always meant the universe. But until now you have misinterpreted with the influence of books such as the incomplete and false Bible and Torah, and the influence of the clergy.

According to the Qur'an, there are more than one universe. And some of these universes also contain the hereafter, the paradise and the hell.

Especially the Hereafter universe has different physics laws.

God is not in any universe.

He made all the universes out there.

That is why all created creatures are separate from Allah. Nothing is part of Him.

Heavens = Universes


3- Today, the science world thinks more, that the day of Judgment will come with big crunch.

Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran.

Only the hereafter universe is immortal.

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21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
The big bang is that there was only hydrogen from the beginning. Stars formed out of the hydrogen and lived and died over billions of years. all heavy atoms that created the earth were ejected into space when those stars died.
So the heavens and earth were never joined. The earth was only created billions of years after the big bang.

Also the bit about every living thing being made from water is stolen from the bible's Genesis.
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1- Every sentence is very clear. And when the book is read as a whole, the picture is much more beautiful. Not just our universe, but all the universes were created with big bang.

2- No, it always meant the universe. But until now you have misinterpreted with the influence of books such as the incomplete and false Bible and Torah, and the influence of the clergy.

According to the Qur'an, there are more than one universe. And some of these universes also contain the hereafter, the paradise and the hell.

Especially the Hereafter universe has different physics laws.

God is not in any universe.

He made all the universes out there.

That is why all created creatures are separate from Allah. Nothing is part of Him.

Heavens = Universes


3- Today, the science world thinks more, that the day of Judgment will come with big crunch.

Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran.

Only the hereafter universe is immortal.
I believe the current theory is the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate and the consequences will be that the stars will all burn out and there will be nothing left but a black empty lifeless universe.

The idea of a big crunch is probably stolen from Hindu texts.
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1- Every sentence is very clear. And when the book is read as a whole, the picture is much more beautiful.
I found it a very ugly book. Lots of unpleasant ranting.

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Not just our universe, but all the universes were created with big bang.
Unsupported assertion.

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2- No, it always meant the universe. But until now you have misinterpreted with the influence of books such as the incomplete and false Bible and Torah, and the influence of the clergy.
It originally meant the sky, according to linguists and historians.

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According to the Qur'an, there are more than one universe. And some of these universes also contain the hereafter, the paradise and the hell
Especially the Hereafter universe has different physics laws.

God is not in any universe.

He made all the universes out there.

That is why all created creatures are separate from Allah. Nothing is part of Him.

Heavens = Universes.
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3- Today, the science world thinks more, that the day of Judgment will come with big crunch.
No it doesn't, that ending of the universe has been pretty much ruled out by the discovery that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. And science says nothing about a day of judgement.

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Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran.
Unsupported assertion.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post

Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran.
Name a verse that says anything about other universes, and how they will end.

The word used is probably heavens, not universes.
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
Name a verse that says anything about other universes, and how they will end.

The word used is probably heavens, not universes.
http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

Translate my article.

In the Qur'an, the skies, heavens, spaces means universes.

I told with proofs.

They have different laws of physics.

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

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Bible and Hindu texts also have many flaws in this regard.

But the Koran always gives the right information in a perfect way
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Then why do you have to change the words to get it to say what you want?
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Bible and Hindu texts also have many flaws in this regard.

But the Koran always gives the right information in a perfect way
The Quran steals from the bible wholesale. The Jewish myths of Jonah and the whale, and Noah's ark, and the parting of the red sea are all in the Quran quoted as historical facts.

There is also the verse 54.1 that says the moon was split in two.
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Just the opposite.

Your fake Bibles And Torah are stolen from the Holy Book.

The Qur'an is original and contains the words of Allah.

The only real holy book of ours now is the Qur'an.

The Qur'an describes the true state of events.

For example, the Noah Flood was regional. And He punished a single nation.

My Turkish writing about this subject:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html

54.1 does not say that the moon is cut in half.

54:1 The moment drew near, and the moon was split.
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