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Old 24th October 2017, 03:44 PM   #121
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Presumably, some of the academics teaching the Brexit related material would have been pro leave. So you can hardly say the MP was trying to compile some kind of 'hit list'.
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Old 24th October 2017, 04:15 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
Presumably, some of the academics teaching the Brexit related material would have been pro leave. So you can hardly say the MP was trying to compile some kind of 'hit list'.
I can't be bothered to read the last half-a-dozen posts. Did any of them suggest that it was some kind of hit list?
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Old 24th October 2017, 04:29 PM   #123
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The BBC article says that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41735839

Quadraginta quoted it in post #112

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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
The BBC article says that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41735839

Quadraginta quoted it in post #112
Fair enough. That's not what I see it as, and I suspect it was just a rhetorical overextension. So what was its purpose?
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Old 24th October 2017, 10:11 PM   #125
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Fair enough. That's not what I see it as, and I suspect it was just a rhetorical overextension. So what was its purpose?
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We have had national newspaper headlines calling for judges and ministers to be sacked and for 'traitors' to be deported. Now this. Welcome to the new pub lynch mob 'sovereignty'.
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Old 25th October 2017, 02:42 AM   #127
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I have never been a great admirer of Mrs Thatcher, but I think she spoke sense in the House of Commons once which is relevant now to Brexit. From You Tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVt_1ByddUQ
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I have never been a great admirer of Mrs Thatcher, but I think she spoke sense in the House of Commons once which is relevant now to Brexit. From You Tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVt_1ByddUQ

She may have been an evil witch-queen from hell but at least she was a competent evil witch queen from hell.
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:00 AM   #129
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She may have been an evil witch-queen from hell but at least she was a competent evil witch queen from hell.
.....until power went to her head and she went rather bonkers towards the end of her "reign" - at least IMO
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:04 AM   #130
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Fair enough. That's not what I see it as, and I suspect it was just a rhetorical overextension. So what was its purpose?
I don't see anything wrong with an MP trying to find out what is being taught by universities and with what, if any, bias.

If the letter had asked for information about what courses were being taught, and by whom, about alternative medicine with particular regard to homeopathy, then I suspect posters here would be sympathetic.

The problem is that everyone on both sides of the debate assumes that the universities are hotbeds of lefty-leaning 100% pro-remain sentiment, and the pro-remain side don't want that situation looked into or altered.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
I don't see anything wrong with an MP trying to find out what is being taught by universities and with what, if any, bias.

<snip>

He wasn't asking what was taught. He was asking who was teaching it.

All of which he could have gleaned from publicly available sources.

Aside from letting it be known that he was making a point of singling them out, what other purpose could such a letter have accomplished?
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What's the problem with letting them know that he was trying to single them out? If they're teaching a political subject in an obviously biassed way they ought to be prepared, at least, to stand up and admit such.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
What's the problem with letting them know that he was trying to single them out? If they're teaching a political subject in an obviously biassed way they ought to be prepared, at least, to stand up and admit such.
Oh deary me.
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:27 AM   #134
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Oh deary me.
What's that supposed to mean? Not very cogent, is it?
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What's the problem with letting them know that he was trying to single them out? If they're teaching a political subject in an obviously biassed way they ought to be prepared, at least, to stand up and admit such.

How, exactly, would the letter he sent inform him about how they were teaching the subject?

What reason do you have to believe "they" were teaching it in a biassed way, much less an "obvious" one?

How would the letter he sent help him distinguish "them" from the ones who were teaching it in whatever fashion would presumably be acceptable?

And who gets to decide which is which?
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:53 AM   #136
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How, exactly, would the letter he sent inform him about how they were teaching the subject?
It wouldn't
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What reason do you have to believe "they" were teaching it in a biassed way, much less an "obvious" one?
I don't. The assumption on most of the websites and comments where I've read about this is that academics are overwhelmingly pro-remain. But I don't know how that fact or opinion was arrived at. The over-reaction of the academics to a fairly mild letter adds to the suspicion that they might have something to hide.

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How would the letter he sent help him distinguish "them" from the ones who were teaching it in whatever fashion would presumably be acceptable?
I don't think it would. If he had received sufficient replies to his letter, I suppose he could then have embarked on further research to try to discover how the lecturers had taught the subject and whether or not they'd covered it in a fair and balanced way.

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And who gets to decide which is which?
How does anyone ever decide what is fair and balanced? The best you can hope for when there is wide disagreement on a topic is that both sides of the argument are presented. There's nothing to stop a lecturer (or anyone) making their own opinion on the subject known, but that opinion shouldn't be presented as fact.

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It wouldn't
I don't. The assumption on most of the websites and comments where I've read about this is that academics are overwhelmingly pro-remain. But I don't know how that fact or opinion was arrived at. The over-reaction of the academics to a fairly mild letter adds to the suspicion that they might have something to hide.

I don't think it would. If he had received sufficient replies to his letter, I suppose he could then have embarked on further research to try to discover how the lecturers had taught the subject and whether or not they'd covered it in a fair and balanced way.

And who gets to decide which is which?
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And who made this Tory whip the arbiter of what constitutes a fair and balanced way to teach European Studies? What business is it of his anyway, surely if there's a problem it would be the job of the Education Secretary to deal with it.
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It wouldn't
I don't. The assumption on most of the websites and comments where I've read about this is that academics are overwhelmingly pro-remain. But I don't know how that fact or opinion was arrived at. The over-reaction of the academics to a fairly mild letter adds to the suspicion that they might have something to hide.

<snip>

Why is it an over-reaction?

What legitimate purpose could such a letter serve?

They are reacting to a transparent, scatter-shot, ham-fisted attempt at intimidation.
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Old 25th October 2017, 04:14 AM   #139
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I don't see why any MP, or for that matter anyone - whether an MP or not - should be prevented from making such an inquiry.

Obviously this particular MP is pro-leave, and his intent was probably to try to expose the lecturers as teaching what he believes to be biassed pro-remain propaganda. I don't believe his excuse that he was trying to gather information for a book.

I've no illusions about his motivations. What I'm interested in is how the remain-supporting politicians and the left wing media have piled on to this story, and their self-righteous belief and assertion that what he did was dishonest or wrong in some way.
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Why is it an over-reaction?

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They are reacting to a transparent, scatter-shot, ham-fisted attempt at intimidation.
Why is it intimidation for an MP to attempt to reveal what he believes to be biassed teaching in our universities? Like I said earlier, if the subject matter had been alternative medicine and homeopathy, I suspect that posters on this forum would be applauding the MP's attempt to reveal such teaching. In fact we don't need to have a hypothetical alternative medicine example as the real example of biassed teaching in faith schools regularly crops up.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
I don't see why any MP, or for that matter anyone - whether an MP or not - should be prevented from making such an inquiry.

Obviously this particular MP is pro-leave, and his intent was probably to try to expose the lecturers as teaching what he believes to be biassed pro-remain propaganda. I don't believe his excuse that he was trying to gather information for a book.

How, exactly, would the letter he sent "expose" anyone in particular?

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I've no illusions about his motivations. What I'm interested in is how the remain-supporting politicians and the left wing media have piled on to this story, and their self-righteous belief and assertion that what he did was dishonest or wrong in some way.

You just said you didn't believe his explanation, so you've already agreed that he is dishonest.

Do you think it is right for an MP to use the authority of his office to try to intimidate people he doesn't agree with in their workplace?

Sounds like you believe the media, regardless of what wing they may occupy, had well-founded reasons to take the positions they have, even if you don't like seeing your political allies criticized.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
Why is it intimidation for an MP to attempt to reveal what he believes to be biassed teaching in our universities?

Again. What, exactly, do you believe that letter did to "reveal" the teaching bias of any particular instructor?

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Like I said earlier, if the subject matter had been alternative medicine and homeopathy, I suspect that posters on this forum would be applauding the MP's attempt to reveal such teaching. In fact we don't need to have a hypothetical alternative medicine example as the real example of biassed teaching in faith schools regularly crops up.

If an MP were to show course content of specific classes which was clearly in error I would think he was doing his job. If he wrote a letter to all the medical schools asking for a list of any instructors who discussed the topic of alternative medicine then that would be just as inappropriate as what this clown has done.
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"Universities have confirmed they teach that Brexit is incredibly brilliant but not quite up there with communism.

British universities have responded to a letter from Tory whip Chris Heaton-Harris by explaining that while Brexit will destroy the UK as a nation, it cannot boast the same track record for doing so as communism can. "

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She may have been an evil witch-queen from hell but at least she was a competent evil witch queen from hell.
No her propaganda was competent her premiership wasn't. The list of her disasters is quite extensive.
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I don't see anything wrong with an MP trying to find out what is being taught by universities and with what, if any, bias.

If the letter had asked for information about what courses were being taught, and by whom, about alternative medicine with particular regard to homeopathy, then I suspect posters here would be sympathetic.

The problem is that everyone on both sides of the debate assumes that the universities are hotbeds of lefty-leaning 100% pro-remain sentiment, and the pro-remain side don't want that situation looked into or altered.
The problem is that he didnt do it as a member of the public. According to an interview this morning (Today programme) it could have been research for a book.. The guy in the interview seemed to be thinking he was supporting his friend. Didn't seem to realise that he was in effect saying the MP was abusing his MP position!
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And yet even academics who voted Leave are appalled at the letter. Down the bottom of the article source
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There'll be more complaints about the BBC's anti-Brexit bias; they've just repeated a programme about what happened last time we couldn't import food.
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There'll be more complaints about the BBC's anti-Brexit bias; they've just repeated a programme about what happened last time we couldn't import food.

Learning from history. That's really playing dirty.
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David Davis says something technically true but useless

Czechslovakia currently doesn't have a government

http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/25/b...n-intelligence

he also talked about Holland

...whilst boasting of the quality of his briefings

Where is the Picard Riker double face palm?

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“Germany, Austria, Holland and Czechoslovakia are all without governments at the moment so this is not top of their tree.

“Nevertheless we’ve got a pretty good idea of where they will end up at the end of this, even if there are delays on the way.”

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David Davis says something technically true but useless

Czechslovakia currently doesn't have a government

http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/25/b...n-intelligence

he also talked about Holland

...whilst boasting of the quality of his briefings

Where is the Picard Riker double face palm?
He has a habit of naming countries that don't exist - his very first statement on the Irish border referred to Southern Ireland.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
David Davis says something technically true but useless

Czechslovakia currently doesn't have a government

http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/25/b...n-intelligence

he also talked about Holland

...whilst boasting of the quality of his briefings

Where is the Picard Riker double face palm?


Holland is not a country (*). The Netherlands is, and tomorrow we'll have the official installation and the photoshoot on the steps of the palace with the new government, so he's only very technically correct that we're without a government.

(*) It's not even a current polity. The former county/province of Holland was spit into the two provinces North- and South-Holland in 1815. Bloody English minister.

And yes, England is a current polity with separate laws from the other three countries making up the UK, which are made in Westminster, so the British government doubles as English government.
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"Universities have confirmed they teach that Brexit is incredibly brilliant but not quite up there with communism.

British universities have responded to a letter from Tory whip Chris Heaton-Harris by explaining that while Brexit will destroy the UK as a nation, it cannot boast the same track record for doing so as communism can. "

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My personal appraisal was that Mr. Heaton-Harris' design with this letter is to know who he'll have to round up and lock up in a Dachau-like establishment. Unless there's compelling evidence to the contrary, I'll stick to that.
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But the nuclear medicine industry is different. The materials they use as radiation sources have relatively short half-lives, some measured in days.

Without a system in place to oversee the sales and transportation of such hazardous materials across the U.K borders in place those stocks will be gone very quickly.

And all such materials come from across those borders, since the U.K. doesn't produce them.

So the lights will still be on at the treatment facilities that need them but there won't be any treatments.
That's actually a missed business opportunity. The UK could build its own facility. The main facility in Europe is the Dutch reactor in Petten, which accounts for 1/3 of the world production. It is an old beast from the 1950s which is plagued by outages and by safety issues. New construction has been hampered for years by planning issues and financing issues. Another 1/3 of the world production of medical isotopes is produced in Chalk River in Canada, a similar old beast suffering problems. You'd think there's an opportunity for a new reactor in this business.

(and yes, I realize you don't just build a reactor overnight).
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
David Davis says something technically true but useless

Czechslovakia currently doesn't have a government

http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/25/b...n-intelligence

he also talked about Holland

...whilst boasting of the quality of his briefings

Where is the Picard Riker double face palm?
That's hilarious. Somebody forgot to tell him, that Czechoslovakia doesn't exist since 1993!

Fact, that we have just three days since elections is fairly small one adaptation of truth.

ETA: No wonder we don't have government...
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Old 25th October 2017, 04:20 PM   #155
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And yet even academics who voted Leave are appalled at the letter. Down the bottom of the article source
Bloody experts again...
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Old 25th October 2017, 04:21 PM   #156
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Holland is not a country (*). The Netherlands is, and tomorrow we'll have the official installation and the photoshoot on the steps of the palace with the new government, so he's only very technically correct that we're without a government.

(*) It's not even a current polity. The former county/province of Holland was spit into the two provinces North- and South-Holland in 1815. Bloody English minister.

And yes, England is a current polity with separate laws from the other three countries making up the UK, which are made in Westminster, so the British government doubles as English government.
I think it may be the other way round, and that the English government doubles as the government of The United Kingdom. The most celebrated study of the Constitution of the UK was published in 1867
[...]is a book by Walter Bagehot. First serialised in The Fortnightly Review between 15 May 1865 and 1 January 1867, and later published in book form in the latter year. It explores the constitution of the United Kingdom, specifically the functioning of Parliament and the British monarchy, and the contrasts between British and American government. The book became a standard work which was translated into several languages.
I have omitted the name of this authoritative guide. Can you guess what it is called?
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Old 26th October 2017, 12:15 AM   #157
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I am not sure anyone has pointed out that under freedom of information legislation universities as public bodies are obliged to provide this information to anyone who requests it. Do people believe that MPs should be more restricted than the general public in access to information?

What would have been the response if he had requested the information on private note paper rather than House of Commons notepaper? Or got a researcher to request it on personal notepaper. Some people would argue that this was more suspicious as it was 'covert'.
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
I am not sure anyone has pointed out that under freedom of information legislation universities as public bodies are obliged to provide this information to anyone who requests it. Do people believe that MPs should be more restricted than the general public in access to information?

What would have been the response if he had requested the information on private note paper rather than House of Commons notepaper? Or got a researcher to request it on personal notepaper. Some people would argue that this was more suspicious as it was 'covert'.

Was he asking for some information which was not already freely available?

Was there something that couldn't have been looked up in public documents already offered by these schools. like their course schedules and faculty lists?

I don't think that freedom of information laws obligate those universities to respond to any question at all that they receive from anyone asking for information which is already publicly available and easily found by anyone who wants to bother to take a moment and look it up.

The question which seems to be evaded by those people trying to defend this letter is, "Why ask for this information this way?", when there was no need to ask for it at all.
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It's not a matter of the information being available. It's the manner of the asking.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
It's not a matter of the information being available. It's the manner of the asking.

Exactly.
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