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Old 20th September 2014, 06:19 PM   #1
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The new JREF website

Well, the new and improved JREF website is up and running at http://web.randi.org/

It appears as though the forum has been "improved" right off the page. That happened faster than I was expecting. I thought they were going to keep linking to the forum even when it was no longer the JREF forum.

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No, I don't see a link to the forum there.
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Old 20th September 2014, 08:35 PM   #4
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That's it? This is the great new website they've been working all this time on?

What a huge disappointment.

And, yeah, no link to the forum anymore, after they said they would keep a link for a while. Even more disappointing, but perhaps not surprising.
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Revenge. This forum does not have a link to the new website. The link still goes to the old website. It needs fixing.

Edit. It appears that there is a redirection from the old site to the new site. I wonder if it has just gone in?
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Old 20th September 2014, 11:48 PM   #6
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For me it still links to the old randi.org.

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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
For me it still links to the old randi.org.

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Did you click on it?

The forum banner link to the JREF shows as www.randi.org.

When you click on it, it redirects to web.randi.org, the new site.
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Old 21st September 2014, 01:21 AM   #8
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I did and it went to the old site. Now it goes to the new one. Perhaps it was going to a cached copy before.

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Old 21st September 2014, 04:29 PM   #9
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They moved from Joomla, a CMS, to using weebly, a drag and drop website builder. Presumably the free version....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebly

http://www.weebly.com/

Makes the old Joomla site look sophisticated, and that's saying something since it was stuck in the 1990s.
Why do I still get the impression they haven't a clue about website design at Randi.org
and are saving money by not employing professionals even to design and build the new site ?

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Wow...I hope that is just a temporary thing, while they're working on something better...
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Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
Wow...I hope that is just a temporary thing, while they're working on something better...
Breath - not holding!!
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We're all going to die.
Yes. Sooner or later. And humanity will go extinct. Sooner or later. And the universe will go to heat death.


Thankfully this has nothing to do with the new web site design which looks... Bland and really not that interresting.
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Old 22nd September 2014, 01:52 AM   #14
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Wow...I hope that is just a temporary thing, while they're working on something better...
Why would they announce their new design as just that, if it was a temporary fix only?
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Old 22nd September 2014, 04:06 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy View Post
They moved from Joomla, a CMS, to using weebly, a drag and drop website builder. Presumably the free version....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebly

http://www.weebly.com/

Makes the old Joomla site look sophisticated, and that's saying something since it was stuck in the 1990s.
Why do I still get the impression they haven't a clue about website design at Randi.org
and are saving money by not employing professionals even to design and build the new site ?
Are you sure it's weebly? The source code looks like Wordpress.

Just wondering how you know what it's built in.
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It looks oversimplified, but at least it's important features are easy enough to access. (Well, except the Forums, of course.)
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Originally Posted by DarthFishy View Post
Are you sure it's weebly? The source code looks like Wordpress.

Just wondering how you know what it's built in.
If you go to dev tools -> style editor in Firefox, the first item defining the layout of the page refers back to editmysite.com, which is Weebly.

And yeah, I have to agree that it looks absolutely terrible. Far too much wasted space. Seriously, half my screen is just plain white. And while it may be a little unfair to criticise it for a lack of content when they're in the middle of reorganising both the site and the JREF as a whole, but I'm struggling to see why anyone would want to visit the site at all at the moment. The Swift section currently has three posts, two just linking to content elsewhere, and one promising that there will be content any time now, honest. The main site has basically nothing. A couple of podcasts which are mostly inactive. Some links to buy Randi's books. An application form for the MDC (but virtually no information about what it actually is). And that's basically it.

Usually if you're going to do an overhaul like this, you have things in place ready for the grand reopening. Not "Here's a placeholder site, we'll have some content for it along soon. Hopefully".
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Originally Posted by DarthFishy View Post
Are you sure it's weebly? The source code looks like Wordpress.

Just wondering how you know what it's built in.
I use a Chrome extension called Wappalyzer. (also for FF I think)
It's been made to look like WordPress though.
Any of the free templates for WP would have been better than this non event of a design.

Apparently DG Grothe was given the JREF office's last copy of Microsoft FrontPage as a leaving present,
so they had to er... improvise.

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Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy View Post
They moved from Joomla, a CMS, to using weebly, a drag and drop website builder. Presumably the free version....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebly

http://www.weebly.com/

Makes the old Joomla site look sophisticated, and that's saying something since it was stuck in the 1990s.
Why do I still get the impression they haven't a clue about website design at Randi.org
and are saving money by not employing professionals even to design and build the new site ?
Reminds me of what the site looked like before there was a forum. Looks like a big step backwards.
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They have a link to the old site that just goes back to the new site. That's useful.
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They have a link to the old site that just goes back to the new site. That's useful.
Yes, this seems to be an error. You can see the old site here:
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=ran...ST-6sacKPdczaq, courtesy of Microsoft's Bing.
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I have a question and if the question is stupid then I apologise beforehand but how do you get to the forum from the new forum front page?
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I have a question and if the question is stupid then I apologise beforehand but how do you get to the forum from the new forum front page?
This thread is about the new JREF site which doesn't include the forum any more. You can't get here from there (at least not by a link on the page, of course).

If you are referring to some other forum front page it would help if you posted a link or a screen shot.

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I have a question and if the question is stupid then I apologise beforehand but how do you get to the forum from the new forum front page?
Do you mean from here?: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/

Just click on Forum Index and start exploring.

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Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy View Post
I use a Chrome extension called Wappalyzer. (also for FF I think)
It's been made to look like WordPress though.
Any of the free templates for WP would have been better than this non event of a design.
Ah thanks that makes sense. Should have a look at that app...
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And yeah, I have to agree that it looks absolutely terrible. Far too much wasted space. Seriously, half my screen is just plain white.<snip>
Just been involved with a website redesign. The page looks like it is designed for a tablet. View it there and it looks fine. If you do not have access to a tablet then here is an exercise for you. Reduce the size of the browser significantly. You will notice that you cannot read a line of text without using your mouse or keyboard. Or just use a phone and you will have the same issue.

Now go here http://rsi.org.au/ and repeat the same exercise. You will always be able to read a line of text no matter how small you make your browser. Yes if you have a big screen then there will be lots of white on the page.
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And yeah, I have to agree that it looks absolutely terrible. Far too much wasted space. Seriously, half my screen is just plain white.
I know this is anathema to web designers, who seem obsessed with cramming every available bell and whistle in , but to old, grey peeps like me, who grew up reading actual books printed on processed pulp, white space is actually rather reassuring.

I prefer it to the previous appearance.

I agree there's not much on there content-wise, but presumably that will follow.
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I know this is anathema to web designers, who seem obsessed with cramming every available bell and whistle in , but to old, grey peeps like me, who grew up reading actual books printed on processed pulp, white space is actually rather reassuring.

I prefer it to the previous appearance.

I agree there's not much on there content-wise, but presumably that will follow.
I actually like the minimalist, heavy-on-white-space design, myself.

But then, I appreciate the Windows 8 "flat" UI design aesthetic as well, and although I'm far from alone, it's also far from a majority I think.
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I like it. The very first link goes to a video with Randi in it.

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I'm surprised by this part of the the MDC terms and conditions:
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Past claims have included: psychic or mediumistic powers, ESP, dowsing, magnetic humans, astrology, faith healing, etc. Read through the JREF forum for a list of previous applicants if you’d like to see whether or not your claim has been tested before. A partial list can be found at: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...splay.php?f=43
I thought this was no longer "the JREF forum".


ETA: Looks like Ocelot found it before.

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As with the Forum hardware/software, there were issues with the Joomla site. It was a bit of a bear to edit, for one. This Weebly version is temporary, meant to be good for mobile devices and to emphasize the basics.

Can't please everyone, sorry.

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PS - I will do a post announcing the forum move.
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And a link to the forum from the JREF site?

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Thank you, Sharon.

http://web.randi.org/home/internatio...orum-sets-sail

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