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Old 24th November 2020, 09:57 AM   #1
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Kalergi

The Kalergi conspiracy theory according to wiki ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalergi_Plan
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The Kalergi Plan (Italian: Piano Kalergi), or sometimes called the Coudenhove-Kalergi Conspiracy,[1] is a far-right,[2] anti-semitic, white nationalist conspiracy theory,[3] which states that a plot to mix white Europeans with other races via immigration was constructed by Austrian-Japanese politician Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and promoted in aristocratic European social circles.[4] The conspiracy theory is most often associated with European groups and parties, but it has also spread to North American politics
I'm trying to get up to speed on the Kalergi plan. The first question to as is 'is there any evidence for it?'.

Let's have a look ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/GPCK1qAwvi8a/


How about Kalergi himself ....he wrote ...https://towns.fetchyournews.com/2019...n-replacement/
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The man of the future will be of mixed race. Todays races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. Itís not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. As a people, Jews experience the eternal struggle of quantity against quality; inferior groups against superior individuals; inferior majorities against superior minorities.

What did Churchill have to say about Kalergi ...http://www.churchill-society-london..../astonish.html
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We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.
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Much work has been done upon this task by the exertions of the Pan-European Union which owes so much to Count Coudenhove-Kalergi and which commanded the services of the famous French patriot and statesman, Aristide Briand.

How about the Pan-European Union that Kalergi founded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
There are currently 29 nations represented, former members include
Konrad Adenauer Albert Einstein Sigmund Freud Ortega y Gasset Charles de Gaulle Thomas Mann Richard Strauss

The Kalergi Prize is awarded every two years ... https://www.presidency.ro/en/media/p...klaus-iohannis
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Among the European Prize Coudenhove-Kalergi laureates are prominent European and international leaders, who have made their mark on the history of the continent in the last half-century, such as: Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission (2014); Herman Van Rompuy, President of the European Council (2012); Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany (2010); Vaira Vīķe - Freiberga, President of Latvia (2006); renowned violinist Yehudi Menuhin (1999); Emil Constantinescu, President of Romania (1998); Lennart Meri, President of Estonia (1996); Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America (1992); Helmut Kohl, Chancellor of Germany (1990); Juan Carlos I, King of Spain (1986); Sandro Pertini, President of Italy (1984); Konstantinos Tsatsos, President of Greece (1980); Raymond Barre, Prime-minister of France (1978). In 2018, the Prize was awarded posthumously to the Heavenly Hundred, the Ukrainian heroes of the Euromaidan.

The Kalergi plan and the UN ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/cptvoxuorZBG/


The Kalergi plan a full documentary ... https://www.bitchute.com/video/OAJBeDxx8Zlr/
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Old 24th November 2020, 10:02 AM   #2
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I'm trying to get up to speed on the Kalergi plan.
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I, too, am trying to speed up the Coudenhove-Kalergi-Plan.

We are getting there, but it is just taking so long!
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Old 24th November 2020, 10:07 AM   #3
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conspiracy (countable and uncountable, plural conspiracies)
1.The act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations.
2.(law) An agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future.

It seems to me that this could only be called a conspiracy by an openly self-avowed racist, as only such a person can view the perfectly lawful choice of people of different ethnicities to have children together as a negative connotation.

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Old 24th November 2020, 11:16 AM   #4
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Old 24th November 2020, 11:26 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
The Kalergi conspiracy theory according to wiki
Man what a serious racist paranoid theory.

Saggy for this to happen will take centuries, so don't worry about it.
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Old 24th November 2020, 12:02 PM   #6
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Is this the racist, Nazi-loving, Hitler fanboi equivalent of the Gish Gallop?

Start of a load of threads, throw out a load of mis-quotes and distortions, not to mention outright inaccuracies, and then run on to the next piece of racist, Nazi-worshipping, Hitler-bootlicking scumbaggery without addressing anything said by anyone?

Have his precious bodily fluids somehow become polluted?
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Old 24th November 2020, 12:27 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
The Kalergi conspiracy theory according to wiki .....
Why is race missing a CT? It's all legal now right? Is there some reason why my family should avoid missing?
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Old 24th November 2020, 01:07 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Is this the racist, Nazi-loving, Hitler fanboi equivalent of the Gish Gallop?

Start of a load of threads, throw out a load of mis-quotes and distortions, not to mention outright inaccuracies, and then run on to the next piece of racist, Nazi-worshipping, Hitler-bootlicking scumbaggery without addressing anything said by anyone?

Have his precious bodily fluids somehow become polluted?


Honestly, after the **** year we've had, with an actual US president actually trying to subvert democracy, it's kind of refreshing to see honest-to-goodness old-fashioned nonsense conspiracy theories again.

The good old days, when arguing about CTs never had any actual, real-world consequences.....
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Old 24th November 2020, 01:39 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
The Kalergi conspiracy theory according to wiki ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalergi_Plan


I'm trying to get up to speed on the Kalergi plan. The first question to as is 'is there any evidence for it?'.

Let's have a look ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/GPCK1qAwvi8a/
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/fi...?itok=FdU_ovsx

How about Kalergi himself ....he wrote ...https://towns.fetchyournews.com/2019...n-replacement/



What did Churchill have to say about Kalergi ...http://www.churchill-society-london..../astonish.html



How about the Pan-European Union that Kalergi founded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
There are currently 29 nations represented, former members include
Konrad Adenauer Albert Einstein Sigmund Freud Ortega y Gasset Charles de Gaulle Thomas Mann Richard Strauss

The Kalergi Prize is awarded every two years ... https://www.presidency.ro/en/media/p...klaus-iohannis



The Kalergi plan and the UN ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/cptvoxuorZBG/
https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/c...BG_640x360.jpg

The Kalergi plan a full documentary ... https://www.bitchute.com/video/OAJBeDxx8Zlr/
https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/c...lr_640x360.jpg

Are you against or in favour?
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
Are you against or in favour?

I suspect a lot of the honest answers, were they ever able to give such an answer, would be along the lines of, "I disapprove of the mixing of races, but I'd really like to bang an >insert ethnicity< chick."
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Old 24th November 2020, 02:07 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Is this the racist, Nazi-loving, Hitler fanboi equivalent of the Gish Gallop?

Start of a load of threads, throw out a load of mis-quotes and distortions, not to mention outright inaccuracies, and then run on to the next piece of racist, Nazi-worshipping, Hitler-bootlicking scumbaggery without addressing anything said by anyone?

Have his precious bodily fluids somehow become polluted?
Yep exactly

This is a demonstration of the final scene in a CT. The believer knows he cannot debate the issue so he just runs in slaps down the usually old tired spam and then runs off. You see it with old CTs that have been thoroughly debunked endlessly like flat earth, moon hoax, JFK etc.

CT exhaustion and an inability to accept defeat and move on.

Run in, plop, and run out...
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Old 24th November 2020, 02:14 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
The Kalergi conspiracy theory according to wiki ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalergi_Plan


I'm trying to get up to speed on the Kalergi plan. The first question to as is 'is there any evidence for it?'.

Let's have a look ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/GPCK1qAwvi8a/
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/fi...?itok=FdU_ovsx

How about Kalergi himself ....he wrote ...https://towns.fetchyournews.com/2019...n-replacement/



What did Churchill have to say about Kalergi ...http://www.churchill-society-london..../astonish.html



How about the Pan-European Union that Kalergi founded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
There are currently 29 nations represented, former members include
Konrad Adenauer Albert Einstein Sigmund Freud Ortega y Gasset Charles de Gaulle Thomas Mann Richard Strauss

The Kalergi Prize is awarded every two years ... https://www.presidency.ro/en/media/p...klaus-iohannis



The Kalergi plan and the UN ...https://www.bitchute.com/video/cptvoxuorZBG/
https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/c...BG_640x360.jpg

The Kalergi plan a full documentary ... https://www.bitchute.com/video/OAJBeDxx8Zlr/
https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/c...lr_640x360.jpg
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Is this the racist, Nazi-loving, Hitler fanboi equivalent of the Gish Gallop?
Kalergi is an ongoing theme with Saggy and his holocaust denier friends. As holocaust denial has been banned on Facebook and You-Tube, the same BS stories are now being copied to bitchute.

"Kalergi's Jewish Plan for European Genocide."
https://www.bitchute.com/video/yU1Vd9SlLrRz/


Rationalwiki / Alt-right Glossary / Kalergi_Plan
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-ri...y#Kalergi_Plan
"The conspiracy theory itself alleges that Coudenhove-Kalergi wanted the envisioned mixed-race world to be ruled by Jewish elites, and that one of Coudenhove-Kalergi's goals was the destruction of Europe. This conspiracy theory overlaps with the white genocide and Great Replacement conspiracy theories among neo-Nazis.
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Are you against or in favour?
Guess (and no prizes for guessing right) !
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Man what a serious racist paranoid theory.

Saggy for this to happen will take centuries, so don't worry about it.
So which is it? A "serious racist paranoid theory" or something that isn't worth worrying about because it's going to take a while to finish?
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For those obsessed with 'racial purity', even a drop of the wrong blood in the line is too much.
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So which is it? A "serious racist paranoid theory" or something that isn't worth worrying about because it's going to take a while to finish?
Neither. It is a hollow argument by neo nazis that there is a secret Jewish plan to replace white people and have them controlled by Jews. It doesn't make any sense.


Remember these people chanting in Charlottesville?

"The Jews will not replace us"
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I, too, am trying to speed up the Coudenhove-Kalergi-Plan.

We are getting there, but it is just taking so long!
As far as I'm concerned, the sooner we mix the "races" such that everyone is more or less the same color, the better. Not that us humans, being the creatures that we are, won't find other criteria for deciding that some groups of us are inferior and undeserving of certain rights.
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For those obsessed with 'racial purity', even a drop of the wrong blood in the line is too much.
Hell, if I had more darker skinned ancestors, I probably wouldn't get sunburned so bad. I've got a norther European skin in a climate that gets entirely too much sun for it.

According to family lore, I have a Native American ancestor somewhere on my mother's side, but I never got any details, such as name relationship, or tribe of which (s)he was a member. You would never guess it by looking at my light brown hair, blue eyes and paleface skin, though.
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For those obsessed with 'racial purity', even a drop of the wrong blood in the line is too much.
You'll find this obsession is not uncommon outside of the Western Civilization sphere of influence. Off the top of my head: Israel, China, and Japan don't go out of their way to welcome people who are not Jewish, Han, or Japanese from living amongst them. Cross-caste marriage in India is not widespread. Samoans and Tongans are wary of one another. Mexicans will tolerate Guatemalans as long as they are on their way to the United States but they don't want them to linger too long. Even Sonorans and Oaxacans can find a reason to brawl.

Most of these people would deny being racists or even ethnocentric if they were accused of being such. They would tell you that they merely want to preserve a way of life and a culture in which they find meaning and value. But we know what's really going on there.
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As far as I'm concerned, the sooner we mix the "races" such that everyone is more or less the same color, the better. Not that us humans, being the creatures that we are, won't find other criteria for deciding that some groups of us are inferior and undeserving of certain rights.
So you don't believe that diversity is a strength? It's not something that we should want to preserve? Even though destroying diversity by mixing people until we're all one shade of medium brown skin with brown/black wavy hair isn't going to solve the problem of bigotry, prejudice, and discrimination?
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Sounds like this plan would put a real crimp in white power mental defective in-breeding.
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So you don't believe that diversity is a strength? It's not something that we should want to preserve? Even though destroying diversity by mixing people until we're all one shade of medium brown skin with brown/black wavy hair isn't going to solve the problem of bigotry, prejudice, and discrimination?
Yes, diversity is a strength in genetics. Hence it's best to mix as much as possible to create healthy populations. 'Pure' races lead to things like the Habsburgs.
So what you describe as 'destroying' diversity is actually leading to greater diversity.
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I have an allergy to Kalergi.
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According to family lore, I have a Native American ancestor somewhere on my mother's side, but I never got any details, such as name relationship, or tribe of which (s)he was a member. You would never guess it by looking at my light brown hair, blue eyes and paleface skin, though.
Well DON'T get a DNA test, or tick any box in any form or application that says "Native American" - you never know who the next person is who will come along to call you Mistanta!
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Wellsir, my ancestor Jonathan Sacket arrived in Mass. Bay in 1631. Alternatively, my ancestor William Sacket, his nephew, arrived 11 years later. ANYWAY, it was in the 1st half of the 17th century. Since then, we've been proliferating widely, without a lot of inquiring into other people's ancestry. If I don't have an encyclopedia of the world's DNA in my meat, I'd be damn surprised.

Yes, thank you, I am of course superior to the sagging remnants of the few pure strains remaining in the world, and I'm not even vain about it. I'm too superior for that.

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Yes, diversity is a strength in genetics. Hence it's best to mix as much as possible to create healthy populations. 'Pure' races lead to things like the Habsburgs.
So what you describe as 'destroying' diversity is actually leading to greater diversity.
First, there's no such thing as a pure race. Second , endogamy is what leads to things like the Habsburgs. Don't make a habit of marrying your cousin or your sister' daughter or your half-brother and you'll find your offspring are less likely to suffer from extremely rare genetic defects that used to be confined to places where European marriage customs are not the norm.

Third, no you do not create greater diversity by increasing homogeneity.
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I was fortunate to have grown up in Hawaii where the races are well mixed. Interracial marriage was quite common and well accepted (1970s).

It currently (or in 20102) occurred in 40% of the cases.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2012/...marriage-rate/
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I'd read a thread about this thread.
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I was fortunate to have grown up in Hawaii where the races are well mixed.


Sorta same here


This is how we reach across the divide.

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I was fortunate to have grown up in Hawaii where the races are well mixed. Interracial marriage was quite common and well accepted (1970s).
Hawaii is fascinating. I went to the Bishop Museum which appeared to be the only big museum on Hawaii, and a very enthusiastic young anthropologist gave me a lovely, one on one, chat about Polynesian migration and why the sweet potato didn't make it to the old world.

I simply asked him why Hawaii had the UK's Union Jack in its state flag.
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Hawaii is fascinating. I went to the Bishop Museum which appeared to be the only big museum on Hawaii, and a very enthusiastic young anthropologist gave me a lovely, one on one, chat about Polynesian migration and why the sweet potato didn't make it to the old world.

I simply asked him why Hawaii had the UK's Union Jack in its state flag.
Hey we were trying to placate both the US and Britain in one motion. Didn't work as the flag greatly resembled the Honourable East India Companies Flag..




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Old 27th November 2020, 04:39 AM   #33
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Hey we were trying to placate both the US and Britain in one motion. Didn't work as the flag greatly resembled the Honourable East India Companies Flag..
My understanding was that the then King of Hawaii liked the look of the Union Flag and simply nicked it to put on his own flag.
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Old 27th November 2020, 08:34 PM   #34
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My understanding was that the then King of Hawaii liked the look of the Union Flag and simply nicked it to put on his own flag.
Those rebellious, sedition minded, treasonous, Americans simply caused trouble to the good governance of our beloved monarch, the King of England, bless his soul!

Hawaii's king wanted to be with the Commonwealth, but the untrustworthy Yanks annexed the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii).

Frankly the UK and Commonwealth countries should demand the USA hand back the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii) to the her majesty's Empire!!!!!

(Oddly Barak Obama would have made a great UK prime minister)


"In 1793 Captain George Vancouver from Great Britain presented the Union Jack to the conquering king Kamehameha I, who was then uniting the islands into a single state; the Union Jack flew unofficially as the flag of Hawaii until 1816. That year Western advisers to the king recommended the addition of red, white, and blue stripes to the Union Jack, thus creating a distinctive national flag for the country."
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Old 30th November 2020, 06:33 PM   #35
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I was fortunate to have grown up in Hawaii where the races are well mixed. Interracial marriage was quite common and well accepted (1970s).

It currently (or in 20102) occurred in 40% of the cases.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2012/...marriage-rate/
What's the black population in Hawaii?
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What's the black population in Hawaii?
Are you going to write them a rude letter?

25.5% Caucasian
37.6 % Asian
10.1% Polynesian
24.2% Mixed or more than two ethnic groups.
3.6% Black
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Old 30th November 2020, 10:03 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
Are you going to write them a rude letter?

25.5% Caucasian
37.6 % Asian
10.1% Polynesian
24.2% Mixed or more than two ethnic groups.
3.6% Black
No Hispanic in Hawaii? Or are they captured under "caucasians"?
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Old 30th November 2020, 10:48 PM   #38
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No Hispanic in Hawaii? Or are they captured under "caucasians"?
I don't know. I'm Australian.

US Census Bureau
Hispanic origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the personís parents or ancestors before arriving in the United States. People who identify as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race.

https://www.census.gov/topics/popula...ic-origin.html
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:20 PM   #39
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No Hispanic in Hawaii? Or are they captured under "caucasians"?
Yes historically there was a significant influx of Portuguese from the Azores for the whaling industry and they didn't want to be counted as 'Hispanic'. American style Hispanc are there but a fairly small percentage, Japanese, Chinese, Filipinos and Samoans were brought in for labor in different waves.

https://www.hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/home/Lhistory.html
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