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#3281 |
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"In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." Carl Sagan 1934 - 1996 RIP |
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#3282 |
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Bubba - I seem to recall you're fond of QAnon. What are your thoughts on this?
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#3283 |
No longer the 1
Join Date: Apr 2007
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I see to my annoyance that this USAian Q nonsense is turning up in civilised countries.
On Saturday we had a "protest" by the Usual Suspects (including the Mad Dentist and son) against, well everything; lockdown restrictions., masks, vaccines, the usual bollocks. Present were a pair of nutters claiming that nine thousand people went missing in Ireland last year and that most of these, and especially babies, were being killed and harvested for "adrenochrome" to keep RTÉ celebrities "looking young"2. The corpses were buried under the new National Children’s Hospital3. The two were wearing matching hoodies emblazoned with a slogan: "RTE sold there[sic] souls"4. 1. Though surprisingly sans the GoD squad. Maybe they weren't invited, or were preparing (badly) for their day in court. 2. Obviously not working too well. 3. Which might speed construction. 4. And yet people still oppose my plan for mandatory floggings for public typographical errors... |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Who is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard drive? ...love and buttercakes... |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard) |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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(CNN) - Information provided by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security warns of increased chatter among extremists, including members of the Three Percenters extremist group, discussing possible plots against the Capitol on March 4, a date that conspiracy theorists have focused on, according to sources familiar with the matter.
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#3288 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
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People you would think would be grateful and loyal to their country, engaged in seditious conspiracy and betrayed their nation by attacking Congress on January Sixth. The Trump hotel in DC did a record on in-room dining on the 5th and 6th. We can't dismiss the enemy as just poor whites. Successful people also attacked our values and way of life that day. No one living in a trailer park ordered room service in Trump's hotel that night.
It's worth studying how people with everything became so disloyal over the last five years. |
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Philosopher
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Penultimate Amazing
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You'd think so, but perhaps it's because you're actually thinking and actually concerned about truth.
The people in question have been brought up on the belief that they and their kind are what makes America great, catechised on the exceptionalist myth by the false history of their schools and their leaders, and now their chosen leader has inflamed them with easy lies: that their dominance, the gift of God himself, is threatened by invaders and freeloaders and imposters, literally cheaters and thieves, followers of false gods who threaten not only their deserved gains, but their very cultural identity. They are loyal. Its just that it's to a lie. |
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#3292 |
Muse
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I’m waitin’.
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His mother seems to be nearly as kooky as him. Also interviewed:
https://twitter.com/LaurieSegall/sta...99159125819398 A lot of evasiveness and downplaying the severity of his crimes, and ultimately it comes down to that they think the election was stolen, so it was ok to attack the Capitol. |
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#3295 |
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney Nova Scotia
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Caption from and old New Yorker cartoon - Why am I shouting? Because I'm wrong!" |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2010
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If the Q folks believe that March 4 is the proper and legitimate date for a presidential inauguration, how do they feel about Donald Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017?
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#3297 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Hey, Qanon dolts: your infantile fantasy is still just that; and you’re still an ignominious mob of serfs and goose-steppers.
You’re also as un-American and un-Christian and just plain aggressively stupid as they come. |
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#3298 |
Skepticifimisticalationist
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
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Welp, there's March 4th been and gone. So when's the next Definitely The Right Day This Time, resident Qs and Q-adjacent posters?
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#3299 |
Fiend God
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
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Troublesome Passenger
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Winter is Coming
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Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a communist - Hélder Câmara |
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Penultimate Amazing
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#3303 |
Penultimate Amazing
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Oh no, it's far far crazier than that. If I recall, it has to do with a theory that the US was turned into a corporation in the 1800's or something, and the army something and fearless leader will be sworn in as the first real president since Grant or something, somehow not worrying that this means he wasn't really president last time. Or something. I probably have it wrong, or at least not wrong enough.
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#3305 |
Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it!
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not!
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How about the Fifth of November? We could have fireworks!
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#3308 |
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Remember, remember the fifth of November...
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#3311 |
Critical Thinker
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#3312 |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Last Night South Park gave Qanon and Covid Conspiracy kooks in general the same treatment it gave Sceintology a few years ago. it got it's mojo back at least for one episode.
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Very interesting (and dispiriting) article from a journalist whose mother has fallen for Q-madness.
She voted for Obama in 2008, but then:
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: ON Canada
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Another documentary autopsy of the lamebrain cult. The corpse of QAnon has transitioned into other forms of stupidity, but this stuff is still morbidly fascinating. I'll watch it.
HBO’s QAnon Docuseries ‘Q: Into the Storm’ Believes It Has Discovered Q’s Identity [thedailybeast.com]
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Winter is Coming
Join Date: Mar 2008
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I don't get QAnon. I can understand how well meaning people might come to incorrect conclusions about the world and how it is run, and buy into conspiracy theories, but QAnon is just...ridiculous.
JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, and this fact has been adequately shown to be correct time and time again, but I can understand how someone who does not understand certain topics might buy the idea of a second shooter. Afterall they aren't positing that he was killed by faries, just a second human being, something that shorn of context is a reasonable supposition to investigate. I can understand why people think that the Titanic was the Olympic. Sure, the theory doesn't make much sense but all it involves is switching ships, something which is technically possible and does not involve anything totally ridiculous or magical. But politicians are eating children and sending them to other planets to be sex slaves/food? Really? What kind of severe break from reality do you need to have suffered to think this iseven remotely possible WITHOUT looking at the evidence? Sure, the grassy knoll and the Titanic switch fall apart once you look at the evidence, but they are at least not laughable on their face. But QAnon? It's totally bizarre. It would require a serious departure from how the world patently works to believe. I don't get it. |
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Join Date: Feb 2018
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I've been trying to look into that document to see if it is actually real. According to Snopes:
"We contacted Pasco County Sheriff’s Office Detective Anthony Bassone, of the jurisdiction’s cyber crimes unit. Det. Bassone was familiar with the story, and provided a wealth of useful information. According to Bassone, the heart symbol in question indeed bore some resemblance to imagery disseminated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Cyber Division Innocent Images National Initiative to law enforcement agencies on 31 January 2007. (We were unable to locate the document anywhere other than Wikileaks, and Bassone told us that slides from the FBI’s release later appeared on an episode of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit.) The communication tipped law enforcement in 2007 to the existence of the symbols and common applications among pedophiles" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/co...hiles-on-toys/ |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
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I don't think believers go straight for the whole tamale. They see that Trump was not successful in his grand schemes and already have a deep distrust of big government, so they accept that career employees are thwarting his plans. They also reckon that Hillary is plumb evil and is due to pay the price and that Trump will indeed lock her up.
And then, once you start seeing political opponents and career employees as evil, you are slowly opening yourself up to the possibility they're more evil than you first thought. |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Dec 2007
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if it works a bit like Scientology, where you aren't exposed to the truly ******* insane ideas until you're so far down the rabbithole, you aren't likely to back out.
There was an article a good while ago, which pointed out that few Q adherents actually see the original dumps, instead getting their information - and interpretations - from third parties, such as the various apps and Q gurus. When qmap.pub was shut down, some of the lowly adherents ventured onto 8chan/8kun to get the Q dumps, and they were horrified to see the kind of community that Q had originated in. |
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