[Merged] General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV - Page 19

Matthew Ellard · 14th February 2021, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

MGK replied to it at the time.

Can you link me to holocaust deniers: Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf or Thomas Kues formal rebuttal of Dr Colls forensic report into Treblinka II extermination camp?

Colls, C. :Finding Treblinka. Archaeological Investigations at Treblinka Extermination and Labour Camps, (2014) in English and Polish.

Pacal · 16th February 2021, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

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Originally Posted by Pacal
EtienneSC is simply here to press the reset button for the 99th or 10,000th or 100,000th time, like all revisionists do.

Indeed, there's no point rehashing old material. However, there have been some developments over the last few years. The British Psychological Warfare Executive files from the war have been released under the 70 year rule, for example, and there is an academic project to review them.

Doesn't stop so-called Revisionists from dusting off old crap and refuted nonsense. And the British Psychological Warfare Executive files do not help the Revisionist case. Unless the Revisionists resort to their usual tactics of lying, fabrication and distortion.

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Originally Posted by Pacal
Of course since EtienneSC left the last time the revisionist / denial case has gotten more threadbare more stupid then it was then. (Hard has it is to believe that something so already braindead could get worst!)

How has this happened?

No need to take you seriously after a comment like that.

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Originally Posted by Pacal
My general view is that so-called revisionists are A), dying off, B), getting increasingly deranged and idiotic in their arguments and C), the scholarly mask is more and more coming off to reveal the anti-semitic idiots underneath.

Yes, we're all dying off. Robert Faurisson died in 2019 for example.

Ah yes old Faurisson who supported free speech by in his last years suing someone and losing a libel case. Old Faurisson who was torn to pieces academically repeatedly. And old Faurisson who believed anti-semitic canards with ease and screamed about Jews ruling. Of course the mask is coming off behind the academic posturing is good old hysterical crap.

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Originally Posted by Pacal
The revisionist case, (Lying conspiracy theory paranoia with a massive dose of racism.), has not been made it has been refuted and annihilated again and again and belongs with nonsense like the Flat Earth, Creationism, Crystal healing etc.

Good, Have their been any scholarly refutations in the last 4 years. What are they?

Another reason to not take you seriously. And yet again so-called Revisionism is still in the land of Crystal healing and chakras.

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Originally Posted by Pacal
The number of serious Academics and Researchers who take them seriously is miniscule. Of course they continue their lying propaganda and continue to portray themselves has martyrs etc. Their victim complex is amusing.

There have been a few retired academics who have expressed a degree of support for revisionism in the last few years, but of course it is career suicide within western academia for people with salaries.

Yet again more martyr complex crap. But then being a Geologist who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old is basically career suicide, and so is asserting the world is flat. Or asserting, if your a Historian of Greece and Rome, that Alexander the Great never existed, Julius Caesar is a myth etc.

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Originally Posted by Pacal
So sorry the "happy day" that revisionists envision when Jews are viewed by practically everyone has satanic, lying anti-humans doesn't look like it will ever come. I hope that this frustration causes revisionists pain.

I appreciate that you have a kind of Kommando comics view of the issue as a contest of goodies and baddies in which you are the goodies.

Absolutely hilarious. The bottom line is that it is so-called Revisionists who view themselves has engaged in a contest against the Satanic forces of evil, personified in the "Jew", who by manipulation and awesome power have have foisted on the world for the purpose of controlling it the evil "lie" that is the Holocaust. Faurisson was a perfect example of that mentality. And of course when talking among themselves the mask comes off and the anti-semitic drivel bursts forth.

In this contest the Revisionists believe they are the sons of light against the sons of darkness. They are the "goodies" and the evil Jews and their supporters are the "baddies".

The great majority of Revisionists are inspired by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their view of how the world works not much different.

EtienneSC · 17th February 2021, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard

Can you link me to holocaust deniers: Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf or Thomas Kues formal rebuttal of Dr Colls forensic report into Treblinka II extermination camp?

Colls, C. :Finding Treblinka. Archaeological Investigations at Treblinka Extermination and Labour Camps, (2014) in English and Polish.

I was referring to Kues' essay:
https://codoh.com/library/document/c...y-caroline/en/
and MGK's:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8
See pages 926,1051-1064, which discusses the coloured map).

There is an "Editor's Addendum" (dated 2020) in:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8
at page 323.

EtienneSC · 17th February 2021, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pacal

... the British Psychological Warfare Executive files do not help the Revisionist case. Unless the Revisionists resort to their usual tactics of lying, fabrication and distortion.

They contain information about the propagation of the gas chamber stories as rumours. As they are still being gone through, are you not simply guessing?

Originally Posted by Pacal

No need to take you seriously after a comment like that.

So you can't back up what you say with references.

Originally Posted by Pacal

Ah yes old Faurisson who supported free speech by in his last years suing someone and losing a libel case. Old Faurisson who was torn to pieces academically repeatedly. And old Faurisson who believed anti-semitic canards with ease and screamed about Jews ruling. Of course the mask is coming off behind the academic posturing is good old hysterical crap.

French revisionists generally do not support "free speech" in the sense of a supposed right to assert what can be shown in a court of law to be untrue. Faurisson replied to his academic and other critics (Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Jean-Claude Pressac) in concise little books, which it is illegal to advertise or distribute commercially in France, so many people don't know they exist.

Originally Posted by Pacal

Absolutely hilarious. The bottom line is that it is so-called Revisionists who view themselves has engaged in a contest against the Satanic forces of evil, personified in the "Jew", who by manipulation and awesome power have have foisted on the world for the purpose of controlling it the evil "lie" that is the Holocaust. Faurisson was a perfect example of that mentality. And of course when talking among themselves the mask comes off and the anti-semitic drivel bursts forth.

In this contest the Revisionists believe they are the sons of light against the sons of darkness. They are the "goodies" and the evil Jews and their supporters are the "baddies".

The great majority of Revisionists are inspired by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their view of how the world works not much different.

I think that there has been some change on this in the last few years in the direction of religious faith. The principal concern for many was to defend Germany's record from anti-German rhetoric. But there has been a move towards Catholicism on the part of some on the right (not revisionists specifically) because of the influence of E. Michael Jones. The revisionist analysis has generally seen British, American and Soviet propaganda as the source or main validator of atrocity stories. It is said that the American OSS funded Eugen Kogon's book Der SS Staat, for example. However, the stories still play a part in some Jewish identity literature and activism.

Matthew Ellard · 17th February 2021, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

I was referring to Kues' essay:
https://codoh.com/library/document/c...y-caroline/en/

Not one rebuttal point raised by Kues.

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

and MGK's:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8

Not one rebuttal pint raised on any of these pages. They are actually just holocaust denial handbooks and the first one doesn't mention Coll's forensic investigation at all.

Why do you and your neo nazi, holocaust denier buddies lie so much?

Matthew Ellard · 17th February 2021, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

I think that ......

Stop running away from this simple question

Do you deny Treblinka II was an extermination camp where approximately 800,000 people were murdered.

Pacal · 18th February 2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

They contain information about the propagation of the gas chamber stories as rumours. As they are still being gone through, are you not simply guessing?

No I am not. Of course when so-called Revisionists look at the material we will see the usual huge mass of omission, distortion, fabrication and out and out lying.

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So you can't back up what you say with references.

Yes I can but with you there is no point.

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French revisionists generally do not support "free speech" in the sense of a supposed right to assert what can be shown in a court of law to be untrue. Faurisson replied to his academic and other critics (Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Jean-Claude Pressac) in concise little books, which it is illegal to advertise or distribute commercially in France, so many people don't know they exist.

You don't seem familiar with the case; Faurisson sued for libel a French paper which had described him has a racist and anti-semite and a couple of other nasty things. The Court ruled that that the statements were not libelous because they were true. So Faurisson's attempt to attack the free speech of others failed. Faurisson's replies to the authors you mentioned were utterly pathetic and easily torn to shreds. Faurisson remained to the end a liar, fabricator and an hysterical anti-semitic loon. As for his books they might have some use as toilet paper.

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I think that there has been some change on this in the last few years in the direction of religious faith. The principal concern for many was to defend Germany's record from anti-German rhetoric. But there has been a move towards Catholicism on the part of some on the right (not revisionists specifically) because of the influence of E. Michael Jones. The revisionist analysis has generally seen British, American and Soviet propaganda as the source or main validator of atrocity stories. It is said that the American OSS funded Eugen Kogon's book Der SS Staat, for example. However, the stories still play a part in some Jewish identity literature and activism.

More hilarity. The "revisionist analysis" is where it belongs in the territory of Qanon, Black Helicopters, Reptilians and assorted other conspiracy idiocy. It's "analysis" will continue to rely on omissions, lies, fabrications etc., massive amounts of conspiracy rubbish and it will continue to be mocked, ridiculed for the utter stupidity it is. The revisionists will continue to see themselves has the sons of light against the source of all evil in the world the satanic Jew. (In their insane view of the world.) So they will fight according to the instructions of the "great one", Adolf Hitler in his will to fight to the end the "international Jew".

EtienneSC · 8th March 2021, 12:12 PM

I'd like to open a discussion of David Irving's new biography of Heinrich Himmler, True Himmler (Focal Point, 2021). There doesn't seem much point putting in a substitute team performance on revisionist literature, which we can all read first hand if we want, though I can share information if that's what's wanted.

The book is in two volumes and only the first has appeared so far. Volume One only goes up to 1939. It still seems to me relevant to the question of motivation, even from an intentionalist or functionalist standpoint, given the key role the SS is supposed to have played (and did play) in persecution of the Jews through the concentration camp system and Aktion Reinhardt.

In the first chapter, Irving rehearses his theory that Himmler was killed by British officers perhaps acting on secret orders.This tends to support the idea that there were attempts to manipulate politics by the allies, in this case the British, through control of information and activities that would be considered illegal in a non-military context. This (alleged) involvement in criminality would be necessary to keep such activities secret.

In the second chapter, he describes Himmler's early life and the provenance of various diaries he has used. He presents Himmler's family and Himmler himself as active Catholic Christians. He makes the point that Himmler's reputation suffered after the end of the war when the SS were blamed for the concentration camp system and declared a criminal organisation.

Hence there is a marked difference in tone between post-war denunciations and earlier testimony about Himmler's personality, integrity and so on. Himmler described himself as basically a "policeman" and thought his reputation was one he shared with members of that profession. Irving points out that he died at a fairly young age (44).

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2021, 12:34 PM

Why are we expected to take seriously anything from someone as thoroughly discredited as Irving?

Pacal · 8th March 2021, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Why are we expected to take seriously anything from someone as thoroughly discredited as Irving?

EtienneSC is simply trying to press the reset button. Although I find him using Irving to be hilarious. The guy has been thoroughly discredited and virtually no one takes him seriously has an academic anymore. Along with Richard Evans' vicious putdown, https://phdn.org/negation/irving/EvansReport.pdf, in his huge analysis for the lipstadt, Irving libel trial. (There is also Evans book Lying about Hitler.) Where Irving sought to curtail Lipstadt's freedom of speech and lost!

But for fun see John Lukas' The Hitler of History, Vintage Books, New York, 1997. On pages 26-29 & 229-232. At p. 229-230 Lukas says:

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Few reviewers and critics of Irving's books including professional historians, have bothered to examine them carefully enough. Had they done so, they would have found that many of Irving's references and quotations are not verifiable. In his Hitler's War, for example there are many errata in names and dates; more important, unverifiable and unconvincing assertions abound.

And Lukas gives examples in the main text and footnotes: At page 230 we read:

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Thus Hitler, in Irving's breathless prose, "evidently made some promise about the Jews" (there is no evidence); General Schorner in April 1945 fought "a convincing victory" (it was not a victory, and it convinced no one);...

And so on and on. And on page 231 we learn in the footnote that Hitler's War, "...has many references to 'Hungarian archives in Budapest' without dates, places, or file or page numbers."

TheSupermeerkat · 11th March 2021, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

To continue with my initial read-through of David Irving's True Himmler (2020):

Organisation Consul (OC). This seems to indicate a breakdown of the rule of law and thus a coarsening of political attitudes. Himmler graduates with a degree that Irving describes as about the equivalent of a BSc in Agronomy.

Chapter Nine - Inflation and pre-Putsch politics

... Snipped Irving's nonsense...

To which I reply:

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The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist, who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence". In addition, the court found that Irving's books had distorted the history of Hitler's role in the Holocaust to depict Hitler in a favourable light.

Taken from the wikipedia article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

If this book is like any of Irving's other books, it'll be a demonstrable tissue of lies. I look forwards to your attempts at defending it.

TheSupermeerkat · 11th March 2021, 03:27 PM

Why are you using anything by Irving for anything other than toilet paper?

The man is proven liar and racist who has been shown to have a less than honest approach to evaluating evidence. On nearly everything interaction he has had with a professional historian he has had his ass handed to him. The only people who consider him to be credible are cranks, racists and nazis.

Darat · 13th March 2021, 04:09 AM

You can provide references to the book by links etc. and any facts or claims you want to discuss but your chapter by chapter accounting moves you into a Rule 6 breach.

Posted By:darat

Cosmic Yak · 13th March 2021, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

In the second chapter, he describes Himmler's early life and the provenance of various diaries he has used. He presents Himmler's family and Himmler himself as active Catholic Christians.

Just to pick up on this one:
Himmler was well-known as a pagan occultist. He formally renounced Catholicism in 1936.

catsmate · 13th March 2021, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

Just to pick up on this one:
Himmler was well-known as a pagan occultist. He formally renounced Catholicism in 1936.

Along with Heydrich and some other Nazi leaders.

EtienneSC · 14th March 2021, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

You can provide references to the book by links etc. and any facts or claims you want to discuss but your chapter by chapter accounting moves you into a Rule 6 breach.

Posted By:darat

I'm sorry that chapter by chapter summaries are not allowed on this thread. My summaries have been moved to a separate thread. I'd be happy to continue on that other thread, but it's marked as "closed".

On the renunciation of Catholicism point, this may be related to the requirement for the SS to renounce denominations, but with the option to remain "gottglaubig". There is another related point that I could make as part of the summary. i.e. Himmler's summary of Hitler's religious views (on page 365).

abaddon · 14th March 2021, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

I'm sorry that chapter by chapter summaries are not allowed on this thread. My summaries have been moved to a separate thread. I'd be happy to continue on that other thread, but it's marked as "closed".

Wow. 8 years a member and you still don't know what AAH is for. That does not bode well for your understanding of anything else, does it?

TheSupermeerkat · 14th March 2021, 07:17 AM

He doesn't care, just want to show off how much he loves a bunch of losers and reading books about those losers by discredited proven liars.

EtienneSC · 14th March 2021, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Wow. 8 years a member and you still don't know what AAH is for. That does not bode well for your understanding of anything else, does it?

I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting.

TheSupermeerkat · 14th March 2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting.

There are many ways to discuss a book that don't involve posting tedious turgid or purple prose chapter by chapter summaries.

Axxman300 · 14th March 2021, 12:24 PM

All you have to do is sum up David Irving's attempt to white-wash Himmler while denying the man's singular achievement.

What I want to know is how someone can be pro-Nazi while claiming they failed their quest to create a Jew-Free Germany?

abaddon · 14th March 2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting.

<spoonfeed mode>
At the top of your screen, the first menu item is "Forum Index". Click that.

In the first sub-menu, there is an item also called "Forum Index". Click that.

Scroll down that page until you find a section called "Members Only".

You will find an item called Abandon All Hope. (Second last item in that section)

There you will see posts which have been removed for rule violations.

Note that the first post is stickied and explains why any posts are there.

</spoonfeed mode>

8 frakkin' years and you need the basics explained to you. Sheesh.

EtienneSC · 19th March 2021, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

All you have to do is sum up David Irving's attempt to white-wash Himmler while denying the man's singular achievement.

What I want to know is how someone can be pro-Nazi while claiming they failed their quest to create a Jew-Free Germany?

There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf
As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of.

EtienneSC · 19th March 2021, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Info appreciated.

TheSupermeerkat · 19th March 2021, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf

As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of.

A history book that doesn't provide evidence? Most people would consider that be a bad thing, but being a Naziphile you'll no doubt be able to explain otherwise, I'm sure.

Axxman300 · 19th March 2021, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by EtienneSC

There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf
As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of.

I can't think of any quality history of the Third Reich that would qualify as "Hollywood" in any way. The best book on the S.S. is "The Order of the Death's Head", by Heinz Hoehne which chronicles all the stuff you tried to post but in much less space. The book details how how the Nazi Party members spent almost as much time and effort trying to screw each other over as they did exterminating the Jews and conquering Europe.

The idea that the world has been misled about the true nature of the Third Reich is an embarrassing one considering most of their story was written by the Third Reich before the war and its surviving members after the war.

Pacal · 26th March 2021, 11:03 AM

Just to follow up my post 727 where I referred too Hitler's Will, or more specifically his Political Will, which the so-called Revisionists, (Or at least the great majority.), are dedicated to carrying out. Here is Hitler's words about the "Evil" Jewish enemy: (From https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Political_Testament)

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It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the control and limitation of armaments, which posterity will not for all time be able to disregard for the responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be laid on me. I have further never wished that after the first fatal world war a second against England, or even against America, should break out. Centuries will pass away, but out of the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred against those finally responsible whom we have to thank for everything, international Jewry and its helpers, will grow.

Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war I again proposed to the British ambassador in Berlin a solution to the German-Polish problem — similar to that in the case of the Saar district, under international control. This offer also cannot be denied. It was only rejected because the leading circles in English politics wanted the war, partly on account of the business hoped for and partly under influence of propaganda organized by international Jewry.

I have also made it quite plain that, if the nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility. I further left no one in doubt that this time not only would millions of children of Europe's Aryan peoples die of hunger, not only would millions of grown men suffer death, and not only hundreds of thousands of women and children be burnt and bombed to death in the towns, without the real criminal having to atone for this guilt, even if by more humane means.

Here Hitler again and again engages in projection and out and out lying and casts himself has of course the "true" victim. And he seems so proud of the murder of men, women and children by "more humane means". (Snark!!!!)

Later Hitler says:

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From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National-Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations.

Ah yes Hitler begins to fantasize about getting revenge. The "true community of nations", crap can be dismissed has a lie. Hitler during his rule never had much use for such a thing.

And at the end of Hitler's Political Testament we read:

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Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry.

Thus right at the end Hitler reveals, yet again, the psychotic, paranoid delusions that obsessed him.

And since that Will was written so many so-called Revisionists have been campaigning against the "universal poisoner of all peoples". They have been following Hitler's suggestion with zeal and passion, against the source of all "Evil" in the world.

In William Luther Pierce's The Turner Diaries Hitler is referred to has "The Great One" and the "Organization" is tasked with tracking down and murdering all of "Satan's spawn". Jews of course.

To so many Revisionists Hitler is "The Great One", and like Hitler's will says they must pickup the struggle against the "universal poisoner of all peoples". Just like Pierce's "Organization". Of course these so-called Revisionists are very mum about what is their ultimate or final solution to the problem of dealing with "the universal poisoner of all peoples", or has Pierce calls them "Satan's spawn". Pierce was of course very honest about his fantasy of mass murdering every Jew down to the last man, woman and child and then goes on to fantasize about murdering most of the Human Race. Thoughts which seem very satisfying to Pierce. (Ugh!!) So just what is the so-called Revisionists actual aim?

So following the directive of "The Great One", so many so-called Revisionists see themselves, like Hitler, engaged in a battle of the Sons of Light against the Sons of Darkness. But such is the will of "the Great One".

16th February 2021, 04:00 AM	#722
Pacal Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,172	Originally Posted by EtienneSC Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal EtienneSC is simply here to press the reset button for the 99th or 10,000th or 100,000th time, like all revisionists do. Indeed, there's no point rehashing old material. However, there have been some developments over the last few years. The British Psychological Warfare Executive files from the war have been released under the 70 year rule, for example, and there is an academic project to review them. Doesn't stop so-called Revisionists from dusting off old crap and refuted nonsense. And the British Psychological Warfare Executive files do not help the Revisionist case. Unless the Revisionists resort to their usual tactics of lying, fabrication and distortion. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal Of course since EtienneSC left the last time the revisionist / denial case has gotten more threadbare more stupid then it was then. (Hard has it is to believe that something so already braindead could get worst!) How has this happened? No need to take you seriously after a comment like that. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal My general view is that so-called revisionists are A), dying off, B), getting increasingly deranged and idiotic in their arguments and C), the scholarly mask is more and more coming off to reveal the anti-semitic idiots underneath. Yes, we're all dying off. Robert Faurisson died in 2019 for example. Ah yes old Faurisson who supported free speech by in his last years suing someone and losing a libel case. Old Faurisson who was torn to pieces academically repeatedly. And old Faurisson who believed anti-semitic canards with ease and screamed about Jews ruling. Of course the mask is coming off behind the academic posturing is good old hysterical crap. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal The revisionist case, (Lying conspiracy theory paranoia with a massive dose of racism.), has not been made it has been refuted and annihilated again and again and belongs with nonsense like the Flat Earth, Creationism, Crystal healing etc. Good, Have their been any scholarly refutations in the last 4 years. What are they? Another reason to not take you seriously. And yet again so-called Revisionism is still in the land of Crystal healing and chakras. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal The number of serious Academics and Researchers who take them seriously is miniscule. Of course they continue their lying propaganda and continue to portray themselves has martyrs etc. Their victim complex is amusing. There have been a few retired academics who have expressed a degree of support for revisionism in the last few years, but of course it is career suicide within western academia for people with salaries. Yet again more martyr complex crap. But then being a Geologist who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old is basically career suicide, and so is asserting the world is flat. Or asserting, if your a Historian of Greece and Rome, that Alexander the Great never existed, Julius Caesar is a myth etc. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Pacal So sorry the "happy day" that revisionists envision when Jews are viewed by practically everyone has satanic, lying anti-humans doesn't look like it will ever come. I hope that this frustration causes revisionists pain. I appreciate that you have a kind of Kommando comics view of the issue as a contest of goodies and baddies in which you are the goodies. Absolutely hilarious. The bottom line is that it is so-called Revisionists who view themselves has engaged in a contest against the Satanic forces of evil, personified in the "Jew", who by manipulation and awesome power have have foisted on the world for the purpose of controlling it the evil "lie" that is the Holocaust. Faurisson was a perfect example of that mentality. And of course when talking among themselves the mask comes off and the anti-semitic drivel bursts forth. In this contest the Revisionists believe they are the sons of light against the sons of darkness. They are the "goodies" and the evil Jews and their supporters are the "baddies". The great majority of Revisionists are inspired by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their view of how the world works not much different.
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17th February 2021, 09:13 PM	#723
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard Can you link me to holocaust deniers: Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf or Thomas Kues formal rebuttal of Dr Colls forensic report into Treblinka II extermination camp? Colls, C. :Finding Treblinka. Archaeological Investigations at Treblinka Extermination and Labour Camps, (2014) in English and Polish. I was referring to Kues' essay: https://codoh.com/library/document/c...y-caroline/en/ and MGK's: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8 See pages 926,1051-1064, which discusses the coloured map). There is an "Editor's Addendum" (dated 2020) in: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8 at page 323.
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17th February 2021, 09:59 PM	#724
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by Pacal ... the British Psychological Warfare Executive files do not help the Revisionist case. Unless the Revisionists resort to their usual tactics of lying, fabrication and distortion. They contain information about the propagation of the gas chamber stories as rumours. As they are still being gone through, are you not simply guessing? Originally Posted by Pacal No need to take you seriously after a comment like that. So you can't back up what you say with references. Originally Posted by Pacal Ah yes old Faurisson who supported free speech by in his last years suing someone and losing a libel case. Old Faurisson who was torn to pieces academically repeatedly. And old Faurisson who believed anti-semitic canards with ease and screamed about Jews ruling. Of course the mask is coming off behind the academic posturing is good old hysterical crap. French revisionists generally do not support "free speech" in the sense of a supposed right to assert what can be shown in a court of law to be untrue. Faurisson replied to his academic and other critics (Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Jean-Claude Pressac) in concise little books, which it is illegal to advertise or distribute commercially in France, so many people don't know they exist. Originally Posted by Pacal Absolutely hilarious. The bottom line is that it is so-called Revisionists who view themselves has engaged in a contest against the Satanic forces of evil, personified in the "Jew", who by manipulation and awesome power have have foisted on the world for the purpose of controlling it the evil "lie" that is the Holocaust. Faurisson was a perfect example of that mentality. And of course when talking among themselves the mask comes off and the anti-semitic drivel bursts forth. In this contest the Revisionists believe they are the sons of light against the sons of darkness. They are the "goodies" and the evil Jews and their supporters are the "baddies". The great majority of Revisionists are inspired by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their view of how the world works not much different. I think that there has been some change on this in the last few years in the direction of religious faith. The principal concern for many was to defend Germany's record from anti-German rhetoric. But there has been a move towards Catholicism on the part of some on the right (not revisionists specifically) because of the influence of E. Michael Jones. The revisionist analysis has generally seen British, American and Soviet propaganda as the source or main validator of atrocity stories. It is said that the American OSS funded Eugen Kogon's book Der SS Staat, for example. However, the stories still play a part in some Jewish identity literature and activism.
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8th March 2021, 12:12 PM	#728
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	David Irving's New Biography of Himmler I'd like to open a discussion of David Irving's new biography of Heinrich Himmler, True Himmler (Focal Point, 2021). There doesn't seem much point putting in a substitute team performance on revisionist literature, which we can all read first hand if we want, though I can share information if that's what's wanted. The book is in two volumes and only the first has appeared so far. Volume One only goes up to 1939. It still seems to me relevant to the question of motivation, even from an intentionalist or functionalist standpoint, given the key role the SS is supposed to have played (and did play) in persecution of the Jews through the concentration camp system and Aktion Reinhardt. In the first chapter, Irving rehearses his theory that Himmler was killed by British officers perhaps acting on secret orders.This tends to support the idea that there were attempts to manipulate politics by the allies, in this case the British, through control of information and activities that would be considered illegal in a non-military context. This (alleged) involvement in criminality would be necessary to keep such activities secret. In the second chapter, he describes Himmler's early life and the provenance of various diaries he has used. He presents Himmler's family and Himmler himself as active Catholic Christians. He makes the point that Himmler's reputation suffered after the end of the war when the SS were blamed for the concentration camp system and declared a criminal organisation. Hence there is a marked difference in tone between post-war denunciations and earlier testimony about Himmler's personality, integrity and so on. Himmler described himself as basically a "policeman" and thought his reputation was one he shared with members of that profession. Irving points out that he died at a fairly young age (44).
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11th March 2021, 06:21 AM	#731
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 959	Originally Posted by EtienneSC To continue with my initial read-through of David Irving's True Himmler (2020): Organisation Consul (OC). This seems to indicate a breakdown of the rule of law and thus a coarsening of political attitudes. Himmler graduates with a degree that Irving describes as about the equivalent of a BSc in Agronomy. Chapter Nine - Inflation and pre-Putsch politics ... Snipped Irving's nonsense... To which I reply: Quote: The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist, who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence". In addition, the court found that Irving's books had distorted the history of Hitler's role in the Holocaust to depict Hitler in a favourable light. Taken from the wikipedia article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving If this book is like any of Irving's other books, it'll be a demonstrable tissue of lies. I look forwards to your attempts at defending it.
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14th February 2021, 10:14 PM	#721
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,029	Originally Posted by EtienneSC MGK replied to it at the time. Can you link me to holocaust deniers: Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf or Thomas Kues formal rebuttal of Dr Colls forensic report into Treblinka II extermination camp? Colls, C. :Finding Treblinka. Archaeological Investigations at Treblinka Extermination and Labour Camps, (2014) in English and Polish.

17th February 2021, 11:01 PM	#725
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,029	Originally Posted by EtienneSC I was referring to Kues' essay: https://codoh.com/library/document/c...y-caroline/en/ Not one rebuttal point raised by Kues. Originally Posted by EtienneSC and MGK's: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=8 Not one rebuttal pint raised on any of these pages. They are actually just holocaust denial handbooks and the first one doesn't mention Coll's forensic investigation at all. Why do you and your neo nazi, holocaust denier buddies lie so much?

17th February 2021, 11:03 PM	#726
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,029	Originally Posted by EtienneSC I think that ...... Stop running away from this simple question Do you deny Treblinka II was an extermination camp where approximately 800,000 people were murdered.

18th February 2021, 05:42 PM	#727
Pacal Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,172	Originally Posted by EtienneSC They contain information about the propagation of the gas chamber stories as rumours. As they are still being gone through, are you not simply guessing? No I am not. Of course when so-called Revisionists look at the material we will see the usual huge mass of omission, distortion, fabrication and out and out lying. Quote: So you can't back up what you say with references. Yes I can but with you there is no point. Quote: French revisionists generally do not support "free speech" in the sense of a supposed right to assert what can be shown in a court of law to be untrue. Faurisson replied to his academic and other critics (Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Jean-Claude Pressac) in concise little books, which it is illegal to advertise or distribute commercially in France, so many people don't know they exist. You don't seem familiar with the case; Faurisson sued for libel a French paper which had described him has a racist and anti-semite and a couple of other nasty things. The Court ruled that that the statements were not libelous because they were true. So Faurisson's attempt to attack the free speech of others failed. Faurisson's replies to the authors you mentioned were utterly pathetic and easily torn to shreds. Faurisson remained to the end a liar, fabricator and an hysterical anti-semitic loon. As for his books they might have some use as toilet paper. Quote: I think that there has been some change on this in the last few years in the direction of religious faith. The principal concern for many was to defend Germany's record from anti-German rhetoric. But there has been a move towards Catholicism on the part of some on the right (not revisionists specifically) because of the influence of E. Michael Jones. The revisionist analysis has generally seen British, American and Soviet propaganda as the source or main validator of atrocity stories. It is said that the American OSS funded Eugen Kogon's book Der SS Staat, for example. However, the stories still play a part in some Jewish identity literature and activism. More hilarity. The "revisionist analysis" is where it belongs in the territory of Qanon, Black Helicopters, Reptilians and assorted other conspiracy idiocy. It's "analysis" will continue to rely on omissions, lies, fabrications etc., massive amounts of conspiracy rubbish and it will continue to be mocked, ridiculed for the utter stupidity it is. The revisionists will continue to see themselves has the sons of light against the source of all evil in the world the satanic Jew. (In their insane view of the world.) So they will fight according to the instructions of the "great one", Adolf Hitler in his will to fight to the end the "international Jew".

8th March 2021, 12:34 PM	#729
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 901	Why are we expected to take seriously anything from someone as thoroughly discredited as Irving?

8th March 2021, 07:41 PM	#730
Pacal Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,172	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Why are we expected to take seriously anything from someone as thoroughly discredited as Irving? EtienneSC is simply trying to press the reset button. Although I find him using Irving to be hilarious. The guy has been thoroughly discredited and virtually no one takes him seriously has an academic anymore. Along with Richard Evans' vicious putdown, https://phdn.org/negation/irving/EvansReport.pdf, in his huge analysis for the lipstadt, Irving libel trial. (There is also Evans book Lying about Hitler.) Where Irving sought to curtail Lipstadt's freedom of speech and lost! But for fun see John Lukas' The Hitler of History, Vintage Books, New York, 1997. On pages 26-29 & 229-232. At p. 229-230 Lukas says: Quote: Few reviewers and critics of Irving's books including professional historians, have bothered to examine them carefully enough. Had they done so, they would have found that many of Irving's references and quotations are not verifiable. In his Hitler's War, for example there are many errata in names and dates; more important, unverifiable and unconvincing assertions abound. And Lukas gives examples in the main text and footnotes: At page 230 we read: Quote: Thus Hitler, in Irving's breathless prose, "evidently made some promise about the Jews" (there is no evidence); General Schorner in April 1945 fought "a convincing victory" (it was not a victory, and it convinced no one);... And so on and on. And on page 231 we learn in the footnote that Hitler's War, "...has many references to 'Hungarian archives in Budapest' without dates, places, or file or page numbers."

11th March 2021, 03:27 PM	#732
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 959	Why are you using anything by Irving for anything other than toilet paper? The man is proven liar and racist who has been shown to have a less than honest approach to evaluating evidence. On nearly everything interaction he has had with a professional historian he has had his ass handed to him. The only people who consider him to be credible are cranks, racists and nazis.
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13th March 2021, 05:45 AM	#734
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 4,010	Originally Posted by EtienneSC In the second chapter, he describes Himmler's early life and the provenance of various diaries he has used. He presents Himmler's family and Himmler himself as active Catholic Christians. Just to pick up on this one: Himmler was well-known as a pagan occultist. He formally renounced Catholicism in 1936.
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13th March 2021, 05:58 AM	#735
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 24,323	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak Just to pick up on this one: Himmler was well-known as a pagan occultist. He formally renounced Catholicism in 1936. Along with Heydrich and some other Nazi leaders.
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14th March 2021, 06:53 AM	#737
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,470	Originally Posted by EtienneSC I'm sorry that chapter by chapter summaries are not allowed on this thread. My summaries have been moved to a separate thread. I'd be happy to continue on that other thread, but it's marked as "closed". Wow. 8 years a member and you still don't know what AAH is for. That does not bode well for your understanding of anything else, does it?
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14th March 2021, 07:17 AM	#738
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 959	He doesn't care, just want to show off how much he loves a bunch of losers and reading books about those losers by discredited proven liars.
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14th March 2021, 12:12 PM	#739
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by abaddon Wow. 8 years a member and you still don't know what AAH is for. That does not bode well for your understanding of anything else, does it? I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting.
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14th March 2021, 12:13 PM	#740
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 959	Originally Posted by EtienneSC I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting. There are many ways to discuss a book that don't involve posting tedious turgid or purple prose chapter by chapter summaries.
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14th March 2021, 12:24 PM	#741
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,955	All you have to do is sum up David Irving's attempt to white-wash Himmler while denying the man's singular achievement. What I want to know is how someone can be pro-Nazi while claiming they failed their quest to create a Jew-Free Germany?
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14th March 2021, 03:36 PM	#742
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,470	Originally Posted by EtienneSC I don't see "AAH" in the Help section. The nearest an acronym finder comes up with is "Americans against Hate". Does this mean there is no way to discuss a book on this forum? That seems a bit limiting. <spoonfeed mode> At the top of your screen, the first menu item is "Forum Index". Click that. In the first sub-menu, there is an item also called "Forum Index". Click that. Scroll down that page until you find a section called "Members Only". You will find an item called Abandon All Hope. (Second last item in that section) There you will see posts which have been removed for rule violations. Note that the first post is stickied and explains why any posts are there. </spoonfeed mode> 8 frakkin' years and you need the basics explained to you. Sheesh.
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19th March 2021, 02:47 AM	#743
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by Axxman300 All you have to do is sum up David Irving's attempt to white-wash Himmler while denying the man's singular achievement. What I want to know is how someone can be pro-Nazi while claiming they failed their quest to create a Jew-Free Germany? There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of.
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19th March 2021, 03:11 AM	#744
EtienneSC Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by abaddon <spoonfeed mode> Info appreciated.
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19th March 2021, 06:16 AM	#745
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 959	Originally Posted by EtienneSC There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of. A history book that doesn't provide evidence? Most people would consider that be a bad thing, but being a Naziphile you'll no doubt be able to explain otherwise, I'm sure.
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19th March 2021, 01:13 PM	#746
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,955	Originally Posted by EtienneSC There's hardly a need, as the text is now available as a free download: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/TRUE-HIMMLER-pt1.pdf As you can see, rather than try to "white-wash" Himmler, he endorses much of the standard view of the Holocaust, including Aktion Reinhard and systematic shootings in the east. What he doesn't do is provide his evidence, but we are led to believe that that will be forthcoming in the second volume, yet to appear. He also believes in the deportations of German Jews (as does everyone else). What is distinctive about the first volume is that it moves away from the "Hollywood nazi" stereotypes about Germany in the 1930s, which the SS are at the core of. I can't think of any quality history of the Third Reich that would qualify as "Hollywood" in any way. The best book on the S.S. is "The Order of the Death's Head", by Heinz Hoehne which chronicles all the stuff you tried to post but in much less space. The book details how how the Nazi Party members spent almost as much time and effort trying to screw each other over as they did exterminating the Jews and conquering Europe. The idea that the world has been misled about the true nature of the Third Reich is an embarrassing one considering most of their story was written by the Third Reich before the war and its surviving members after the war.
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26th March 2021, 11:03 AM	#747
Pacal Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,172	Just to follow up my post 727 where I referred too Hitler's Will, or more specifically his Political Will, which the so-called Revisionists, (Or at least the great majority.), are dedicated to carrying out. Here is Hitler's words about the "Evil" Jewish enemy: (From https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Political_Testament) Quote: It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the control and limitation of armaments, which posterity will not for all time be able to disregard for the responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be laid on me. I have further never wished that after the first fatal world war a second against England, or even against America, should break out. Centuries will pass away, but out of the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred against those finally responsible whom we have to thank for everything, international Jewry and its helpers, will grow. Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war I again proposed to the British ambassador in Berlin a solution to the German-Polish problem — similar to that in the case of the Saar district, under international control. This offer also cannot be denied. It was only rejected because the leading circles in English politics wanted the war, partly on account of the business hoped for and partly under influence of propaganda organized by international Jewry. I have also made it quite plain that, if the nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility. I further left no one in doubt that this time not only would millions of children of Europe's Aryan peoples die of hunger, not only would millions of grown men suffer death, and not only hundreds of thousands of women and children be burnt and bombed to death in the towns, without the real criminal having to atone for this guilt, even if by more humane means. Here Hitler again and again engages in projection and out and out lying and casts himself has of course the "true" victim. And he seems so proud of the murder of men, women and children by "more humane means". (Snark!!!!) Later Hitler says: Quote: From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National-Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations. Ah yes Hitler begins to fantasize about getting revenge. The "true community of nations", crap can be dismissed has a lie. Hitler during his rule never had much use for such a thing. And at the end of Hitler's Political Testament we read: Quote: Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry. Thus right at the end Hitler reveals, yet again, the psychotic, paranoid delusions that obsessed him. And since that Will was written so many so-called Revisionists have been campaigning against the "universal poisoner of all peoples". They have been following Hitler's suggestion with zeal and passion, against the source of all "Evil" in the world. In William Luther Pierce's The Turner Diaries Hitler is referred to has "The Great One" and the "Organization" is tasked with tracking down and murdering all of "Satan's spawn". Jews of course. To so many Revisionists Hitler is "The Great One", and like Hitler's will says they must pickup the struggle against the "universal poisoner of all peoples". Just like Pierce's "Organization". Of course these so-called Revisionists are very mum about what is their ultimate or final solution to the problem of dealing with "the universal poisoner of all peoples", or has Pierce calls them "Satan's spawn". Pierce was of course very honest about his fantasy of mass murdering every Jew down to the last man, woman and child and then goes on to fantasize about murdering most of the Human Race. Thoughts which seem very satisfying to Pierce. (Ugh!!) So just what is the so-called Revisionists actual aim? So following the directive of "The Great One", so many so-called Revisionists see themselves, like Hitler, engaged in a battle of the Sons of Light against the Sons of Darkness. But such is the will of "the Great One".