Capitol assault was orchestrated by ANTIFA - Page 7

Captain_Swoop · 24th February 2021, 04:09 AM

Ron Johnson is using his questioning time during the Capitol security hearing to promote a conspiracy theory that the January 6 insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"

Airfix · 24th February 2021, 04:41 AM

If people hadn't died, it would have been hilariously pathetic.
But sadly people did, and that's horrific.

When people lose in a democracy, that should be the end of it, done, walk away with dignity congratulating the winner.

Going to court like some lunatic and whipping up dissent on social media was criminal and shameful.

Norman Alexander · 24th February 2021, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Ron Johnson is using his questioning time during the Capitol security hearing to promote a conspiracy theory that the January 6 insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"

So have them appear at the hearing and confirm that for him, under oath.

heymatto70 · 25th February 2021, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Democrats need to start organizing now to **** him up in the next election. He's in a swing state and he's bat **** crazy.

I agree he needs to be voted out ASAP. I think it was Brian Williams that had the best response to him. If he really thought that it was fake Trump supporters, he'd want an in depth investigation to prove it and change the narrative and give the Trumpists a big win.

Craig4 · 25th February 2021, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Airfix

If people hadn't died, it would have been hilariously pathetic.
But sadly people did, and that's horrific.

When people lose in a democracy, that should be the end of it, done, walk away with dignity congratulating the winner.

Going to court like some lunatic and whipping up dissent on social media was criminal and shameful.

There was only one death that was tragic. As to the other four, the attrition of the enemy is always a positive outcome.

gnome · 25th February 2021, 07:24 AM

Avoidable death is not a positive outcome. I would rather they see reality more clearly than come to harm. I can be glad they were not successful in their aims. Their death is still a sad thing.

Airfix · 25th February 2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

There was only one death that was tragic. As to the other four, the attrition of the enemy is always a positive outcome.

I said horrific.
People like Ashli Babbitt were brainwashed into actions that cost them and others their lives. The death toll on both sides could have been a lot higher.

RIP the Policeman who died.

Halcyon Dayz · 25th February 2021, 07:16 PM

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Craig4 · 25th February 2021, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

Avoidable death is not a positive outcome. I would rather they see reality more clearly than come to harm. I can be glad they were not successful in their aims. Their death is still a sad thing.

The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans.

Craig4 · 25th February 2021, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Halcyon Dayz

#DEPLORABLELIVESMATTER

Only to the daisies they fertilize. As to the rest of us, a man does good business when he rids himself of a turd. The same can be said for countries. Four was a good start.

Bubba · 25th February 2021, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans.

Define real Americans, please, thanks.

Steve · 26th February 2021, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Define real Americans, please, thanks.

I suspect "people who worship Trump" would work for you. Agreed?

Cosmic Yak · 26th February 2021, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Define real Americans, please, thanks.

How would you define 'real Americans', Bubba?

gnome · 26th February 2021, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans.

Yes, they could have. And instead of celebrating their deaths I would rather wish they had stayed home.

Craig4 · 26th February 2021, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Define real Americans, please, thanks.

Not people who attempt to steal the election and overthrow the Congress. Oh and certainly not Trumptrash. Their kind are less than us.

Resume · 26th February 2021, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Not people who attempt to steal the election and overthrow the Congress. Oh and certainly not Trumptrash. Their kind are less than us.

Exemplified by the execrable dead-enders and militia nuts who are planning to "Blow up the Capitol and kill as many members as possible" when Biden makes his State of the Union. I haven't watched a SOTU in years, yet these cement-headed simpletons want to cause havoc and death because their fee-fees were hurt when Trump lost the election. If they want someone to blame for that, they should turn their ire at ex-president ***** -his- pants and his one term, worst president ever policies.

No, these imbeciles with their snowflake entitled self-absorption, dystopic fever-dreams, and brinks-for-brains conspiracies are definitely not Americans.

Craig4 · 26th February 2021, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Exemplified by the execrable dead-enders and militia nuts who are planning to "Blow up the Capitol and kill as many members as possible" when Biden makes his State of the Union. I haven't watched a SOTU in years, yet these cement-headed simpletons want to cause havoc and death because their fee-fees were hurt when Trump lost the election. If they want someone to blame for that, they should turn their ire at ex-president ***** -his- pants and his one term, worst president ever policies.

No, these imbeciles with their snowflake entitled self-absorption, dystopic fever-dreams, and brinks-for-brains conspiracies are definitely not Americans.

I say **** ending tribalism. I want the American tribe of progressives, moderates, anti-Trump independents and anti Trump Republicans to crush the Trump tribe and bring those things heel. Destroy them at the ballot box and if they want to try January 6th again, bring them to battle.

Craig4 · 26th February 2021, 08:39 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...?ocid=msedgntp

I know it's the Daily Fail but it's still pretty funny. This dip **** called his ex a moron and she turned him in to the FBI for being one of the seditionists at the Capitol on January 6th.

Resume · 26th February 2021, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...?ocid=msedgntp

I know it's the Daily Fail but it's still pretty funny. This dip **** called his ex a moron and she turned him in to the FBI for being one of the seditionists at the Capitol on January 6th.

It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote?

Craig4 · 26th February 2021, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote?

It's so funny. I hope he dies in prison.

dann · 27th February 2021, 12:11 AM

Really?!

Originally Posted by Craig4

Originally Posted by Resume

It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote?

It's so funny. I hope he dies in prison.

Sorry about spoiling your mirth, but I find it grotesque. Yes, there are MAGA morons, and there are many of them, but unlike their leaders they have been kept ignorant. That they are ignorant to this extent is a tragedy, not something that should make us cheerful. At the same time, we have educated members of the MAGA cult in this forum, who are advocating the rights of these people to be this stupid and their own right to tell these people the lies that contribute to making them this stupid: Congress taking on 1st Am by proxy

Unlike most of the ISF members of the MAGA cult, many of the morons that make you laugh have the disadvantage of having had no real education to speak of, which is an actual tragedy. ISF's own MAGA cultists don't have that excuse. They want the MAGA morons to stay ignorant because it makes them more susceptible to the MAGA lies.

So stop laughing and thus behaving as the arrogant elite that the morons are fed up with. When you do this, you help the educated MAGA guys to present themselves as their allies because they want to help them stay stupid and ignorant and do so by spreading their lies.

ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way.

Bob001 · 27th February 2021, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by dann

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ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way.

It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses.

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Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/

The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power.

Resume · 27th February 2021, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Sorry about spoiling your mirth . . .

Oh, you couldn't do that. I will always find it breathtakingly amusing when these insurrectionists out themselves and assist in their own apprehension and prosecution.

Resume · 27th February 2021, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/

The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power.

Indeed. These folks have positions of power and influence, yet they act as of they're the oppressed. Oh woe is them, these downtrodden CEOs, entitled evangelical christians, these cynical, carreer snowflake politicians.

Lithrael · 27th February 2021, 08:51 AM

Yeah, people mostly are what their brains are plus their surroundings so a lot of these folks are just some amount of predisposition + good old GIGO. You still have to take it seriously so that the influence of society isn’t just more of that garbage, but at the end of the day human mayhem is just a more complicated version of a dangerous rock-fall.

So no I don’t wish anyone ill will. I just want to see someone put up some erosion barriers or something.

JayUtah · 27th February 2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Oh, you couldn't do that. I will always find it breathtakingly amusing when these insurrectionists out themselves and assist in their own apprehension and prosecution.

Just as the Trump camp distanced themselves from the insurrectionists and tried to save Trump by saying those people acted on their own, contrary to his wishes, now a fair amount of the now-300 defendants are trying to say they were brainwashed by Trump and the far-right media and that they're all very sorry now. So if it's not Trump's fault because his followers are irrational and deluded, and it's not the followers' fault because they were mesmerized by a charismatic movement, whose fault is it?

Oh, right: "Antifa." It used to be that putting a name on your enemy was a good way of galvanizing opposition to it. Now you don't need the enemy, just the name.

dann · 27th February 2021, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/

The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power.

That only (!) nine percent of people participating in the riot are unemployed is not surprising since it is not free of charge to travel to Washington for most people. What you don't seem to understand in spite of my attempts to make it apparent is that there is a hell of a difference between Cruz, Hawley and Greene and the MAGA crowd, i.e. between leaders and followers. You didn't see those three march in front of (or in) the crowd of the Capitol rioters.
They were the people who incited MAGA crowd, not the ones who broke the windows.

I guess you could call one of the members of the crowd a businesswoman:

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Babbitt was a small business owner and self-described libertarian. She owned a San Diego-based business, Fowler’s Pool Service and Supply, according to California business records. Her LinkedIn profile lists her as the company owner since May 2017.
'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist (Guardian, Jan. 9, 2021)

But she died in debt. She was no heiress like Greene or a 'let's-go-to-Cancun-for-the-weekend tourist like Ted Cruz, so your three named leaders of the movement only serve to make the contrast to the MAGA crowd obvious.

And while the rioters are being prosecuted, the instigators don't seem to suffer any repercussions, and they are the ones who have "enormous power". The ones in the crowd have diddly-squat.

dann · 27th February 2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Just as the Trump camp distanced themselves from the insurrectionists and tried to save Trump by saying those people acted on their own, contrary to his wishes, now a fair amount of the now-300 defendants are trying to say they were brainwashed by Trump and the far-right media and that they're all very sorry now. So if it's not Trump's fault because his followers are irrational and deluded, and it's not the followers' fault because they were mesmerized by a charismatic movement, whose fault is it?

The fault is obviously in both groups. What they have in common is the ideology, the American Dream, which works wonders for the rich:
I am where I am because I am such a marvelous specimen.
It doesn't work as well for the poor:
I am not where I am supposed to be, so I'm on the lookout for the people who have cheated me out of the success that is my birthright as an American: the foreigners and their helpers, the unamerican libruls and their Antifa helpers!

As in all cults, the instigators benefit from the delusion. Their followers don't.

Craig4 · 28th February 2021, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Really?!

Sorry about spoiling your mirth, but I find it grotesque. Yes, there are MAGA morons, and there are many of them, but unlike their leaders they have been kept ignorant. That they are ignorant to this extent is a tragedy, not something that should make us cheerful. At the same time, we have educated members of the MAGA cult in this forum, who are advocating the rights of these people to be this stupid and their own right to tell these people the lies that contribute to making them this stupid: Congress taking on 1st Am by proxy

Unlike most of the ISF members of the MAGA cult, many of the morons that make you laugh have the disadvantage of having had no real education to speak of, which is an actual tragedy. ISF's own MAGA cultists don't have that excuse. They want the MAGA morons to stay ignorant because it makes them more susceptible to the MAGA lies.

So stop laughing and thus behaving as the arrogant elite that the morons are fed up with. When you do this, you help the educated MAGA guys to present themselves as their allies because they want to help them stay stupid and ignorant and do so by spreading their lies.

ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way.

So? He's just a Trump supporter. I'll never give a **** about their kind.

dann · 1st March 2021, 05:14 AM

My point is that they are not one kind. Too bad that you can't or won't distinguish between followers and leaders in the cult. The distinction makes a conversation with the former easier. You may even succeed in convincing some of them that they are being led by elitists who don't have their best interest at heart.
But you seem to prefer your elitist mirth.

The Great Zaganza · 1st March 2021, 05:24 AM

A cult is defined by de-legitimatizing any non-positive information about itself.
Cult members who don't seek out neutral information themselves are beyond reach.

And any attempts to excuse the behavior cult members just adds to their sense of righteousness.

No, the Trump Train must crash and burn before there is any sense to look for survivors in the wreckage.

Puppycow · 1st March 2021, 06:12 AM

How Pro-Trump Forces Pushed a Lie About Antifa at the Capitol Riot (New York Times)

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But even as Americans watched live images of rioters wearing MAGA hats and carrying Trump flags breach the Capitol — egged on only minutes earlier by a president who falsely denounced a rigged election and exhorted his followers to fight for justice — history was being rewritten in real time.

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Nearly two months after the attack, the claim that antifa was involved has been repeatedly debunked by federal authorities, but it has hardened into gospel among hard-line Trump supporters, by voters and sanctified by elected officials in the party. More than half of Trump voters in a Suffolk University/USA Today poll said that the riot was “mostly an antifa-inspired attack.” At Senate hearings last week focused on the security breakdown at the Capitol, Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, repeated the falsehood that “fake Trump protesters” fomented the violence.

For those who hoped Mr. Trump’s don’t-believe-your-eyes tactics might fade after his defeat, the mainstreaming of the antifa conspiracy is a sign that truth remains a fungible concept among his most ardent followers. Buoyed by a powerful right-wing media network that had just spent eight weeks advancing Mr. Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud, pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, exhibiting sheer gall as they seek to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters.

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A lie that outraced the truth

A review of media activity in the immediate aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot reveals just how quickly the right-wing media machine, first online and then on radio and cable TV, advanced the fiction about antifa’s supposed involvement.

The conspiracy gained new momentum after The Washington Times, a right-wing newspaper, published an online article shortly before 2:30 p.m. claiming that a facial recognition firm had identified antifa activists in the crowd at the Capitol. The newspaper corrected the article less than 24 hours later, after its claims were proved false — but not before the story made an enormous impact. The article eventually amassed 360,000 likes and shares on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle, a tool owned by Facebook and used for analyzing social media.

It all happened right before our eyes. We saw the Trump rally that happened just before it, and what was said there. And yet, somehow, people like Mo Brooks think that Antifa somehow used "clever mob control tactics" to control Trump supporters to sack the Capitol?

zorro99 · 2nd March 2021, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

How Pro-Trump Forces Pushed a Lie About Antifa at the Capitol Riot (New York Times)

It all happened right before our eyes. We saw the Trump rally that happened just before it, and what was said there. And yet, somehow, people like Mo Brooks think that Antifa somehow used "clever mob control tactics" to control Trump supporters to sack the Capitol?

Brooks and Trump supporters are stupid enough to believe anything.

JayUtah · 2nd March 2021, 09:35 AM

How long before we get to Jewish mind-control lasers from space?

The Great Zaganza · 2nd March 2021, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

How long before we get to Jewish mind-control lasers from space?

yeah, I wish those Elders would hurry up.

Norman Alexander · 2nd March 2021, 11:51 AM

From afar, this attempt to blame "Antifa" for the insurrection is SO remarkably childish.

"Little Timmy! Why did you climb up the bookcase and pull all the books on the floor?"

"Wasn't me, ma! It was...that kid next door."

"Don't lie to your mother. It WAS you because I just caught you up there throwing stuff. And there's no kid living next door."

"But ma, it WAS him! I saw him! I was never there!"

"Timmy, go to your room."

Steve · 2nd March 2021, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

From afar, this attempt to blame "Antifa" for the insurrection is SO remarkably childish.

"Little Timmy! Why did you climb up the bookcase and pull all the books on the floor?"

"Wasn't me, ma! It was...that kid next door."

"Don't lie to your mother. It WAS you because I just caught you up there throwing stuff. And there's no kid living next door."

"But ma, it WAS him! I saw him! I was never there!"

"Timmy, go to your room."

As I have posted before - Admitting that Antifa was so easily able to infiltrate the Trump supporters and influence them to the point of invading the Capitol is hardly a favorable indication of their collective intelligence.

Armitage72 · 2nd March 2021, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

From afar, this attempt to blame "Antifa" for the insurrection is SO remarkably childish.
...

Or a Family Circus comic, replacing "Not Me" the invisible gremlin with Antifa.

24th February 2021, 04:41 AM	#242
Airfix Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,030	If people hadn't died, it would have been hilariously pathetic. But sadly people did, and that's horrific. When people lose in a democracy, that should be the end of it, done, walk away with dignity congratulating the winner. Going to court like some lunatic and whipping up dissent on social media was criminal and shameful.
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24th February 2021, 05:33 AM	#243
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,164	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Ron Johnson is using his questioning time during the Capitol security hearing to promote a conspiracy theory that the January 6 insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters" So have them appear at the hearing and confirm that for him, under oath.
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25th February 2021, 04:47 AM	#244
heymatto70 Thinker Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 154	Originally Posted by Craig4 Democrats need to start organizing now to ** him up in the next election. He's in a swing state and he's bat ** crazy. I agree he needs to be voted out ASAP. I think it was Brian Williams that had the best response to him. If he really thought that it was fake Trump supporters, he'd want an in depth investigation to prove it and change the narrative and give the Trumpists a big win.
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25th February 2021, 07:24 AM	#246
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,263	Avoidable death is not a positive outcome. I would rather they see reality more clearly than come to harm. I can be glad they were not successful in their aims. Their death is still a sad thing.
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25th February 2021, 07:42 AM	#247
Airfix Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,030	Originally Posted by Craig4 There was only one death that was tragic. As to the other four, the attrition of the enemy is always a positive outcome. I said horrific. People like Ashli Babbitt were brainwashed into actions that cost them and others their lives. The death toll on both sides could have been a lot higher. RIP the Policeman who died.
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24th February 2021, 04:09 AM	#241
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,729	Ron Johnson is using his questioning time during the Capitol security hearing to promote a conspiracy theory that the January 6 insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"

25th February 2021, 06:29 AM	#245
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by Airfix If people hadn't died, it would have been hilariously pathetic. But sadly people did, and that's horrific. When people lose in a democracy, that should be the end of it, done, walk away with dignity congratulating the winner. Going to court like some lunatic and whipping up dissent on social media was criminal and shameful. There was only one death that was tragic. As to the other four, the attrition of the enemy is always a positive outcome.

25th February 2021, 07:16 PM	#248
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25th February 2021, 08:47 PM	#249
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by gnome Avoidable death is not a positive outcome. I would rather they see reality more clearly than come to harm. I can be glad they were not successful in their aims. Their death is still a sad thing. The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans.

25th February 2021, 08:49 PM	#250
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by Halcyon Dayz #DEPLORABLELIVESMATTER Only to the daisies they fertilize. As to the rest of us, a man does good business when he rids himself of a turd. The same can be said for countries. Four was a good start.

25th February 2021, 09:35 PM	#251
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,261	Originally Posted by Craig4 The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans. Define real Americans, please, thanks.
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26th February 2021, 04:43 AM	#252
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by Bubba Define real Americans, please, thanks. I suspect "people who worship Trump" would work for you. Agreed?
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26th February 2021, 05:01 AM	#253
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 4,012	Originally Posted by Bubba Define real Americans, please, thanks. How would you define 'real Americans', Bubba?
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26th February 2021, 05:03 AM	#254
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,263	Originally Posted by Craig4 The dumb **** and the other three could have stayed home. I do hope the disgusting carcass of the stupid bitch who got shot doesn't defile a veterans cemetery. Her kind don't belong being buried with real Americans. Yes, they could have. And instead of celebrating their deaths I would rather wish they had stayed home.
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26th February 2021, 05:37 AM	#255
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by Bubba Define real Americans, please, thanks. Not people who attempt to steal the election and overthrow the Congress. Oh and certainly not Trumptrash. Their kind are less than us.

26th February 2021, 08:24 AM	#256
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19,072	Originally Posted by Craig4 Not people who attempt to steal the election and overthrow the Congress. Oh and certainly not Trumptrash. Their kind are less than us. Exemplified by the execrable dead-enders and militia nuts who are planning to "Blow up the Capitol and kill as many members as possible" when Biden makes his State of the Union. I haven't watched a SOTU in years, yet these cement-headed simpletons want to cause havoc and death because their fee-fees were hurt when Trump lost the election. If they want someone to blame for that, they should turn their ire at ex-president ***** -his- pants and his one term, worst president ever policies. No, these imbeciles with their snowflake entitled self-absorption, dystopic fever-dreams, and brinks-for-brains conspiracies are definitely not Americans.

26th February 2021, 08:34 AM	#257
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by Resume Exemplified by the execrable dead-enders and militia nuts who are planning to "Blow up the Capitol and kill as many members as possible" when Biden makes his State of the Union. I haven't watched a SOTU in years, yet these cement-headed simpletons want to cause havoc and death because their fee-fees were hurt when Trump lost the election. If they want someone to blame for that, they should turn their ire at ex-president *** -his- pants and his one term, worst president ever policies. No, these imbeciles with their snowflake entitled self-absorption, dystopic fever-dreams, and brinks-for-brains conspiracies are definitely not Americans. I say ** ending tribalism. I want the American tribe of progressives, moderates, anti-Trump independents and anti Trump Republicans to crush the Trump tribe and bring those things heel. Destroy them at the ballot box and if they want to try January 6th again, bring them to battle.

26th February 2021, 08:39 AM	#258
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...?ocid=msedgntp I know it's the Daily Fail but it's still pretty funny. This dip **** called his ex a moron and she turned him in to the FBI for being one of the seditionists at the Capitol on January 6th.

26th February 2021, 09:15 AM	#259
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19,072	Originally Posted by Craig4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...?ocid=msedgntp I know it's the Daily Fail but it's still pretty funny. This dip **** called his ex a moron and she turned him in to the FBI for being one of the seditionists at the Capitol on January 6th. It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote?

26th February 2021, 09:07 PM	#260
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by Resume It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote? It's so funny. I hope he dies in prison.

27th February 2021, 12:11 AM	#261
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	Really?! Originally Posted by Craig4 Originally Posted by Resume It's being reported at a number of outlets, so it's cool. I laughed out loud at this moron; he perfectly represents the average maga dead-ender: too stupid to realize how stupid he is. I wonder if he is one of those idiot Trump supporters who didn't even bother to vote? It's so funny. I hope he dies in prison. Sorry about spoiling your mirth, but I find it grotesque. Yes, there are MAGA morons, and there are many of them, but unlike their leaders they have been kept ignorant. That they are ignorant to this extent is a tragedy, not something that should make us cheerful. At the same time, we have educated members of the MAGA cult in this forum, who are advocating the rights of these people to be this stupid and their own right to tell these people the lies that contribute to making them this stupid: Congress taking on 1st Am by proxy Unlike most of the ISF members of the MAGA cult, many of the morons that make you laugh have the disadvantage of having had no real education to speak of, which is an actual tragedy. ISF's own MAGA cultists don't have that excuse. They want the MAGA morons to stay ignorant because it makes them more susceptible to the MAGA lies. So stop laughing and thus behaving as the arrogant elite that the morons are fed up with. When you do this, you help the educated MAGA guys to present themselves as their allies because they want to help them stay stupid and ignorant and do so by spreading their lies. ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way.
	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx Last edited by dann; 27th February 2021 at 12:27 AM.

27th February 2021, 02:54 AM	#262
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,005	Originally Posted by dann ...... ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way. It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses. Quote: Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/ The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power.

27th February 2021, 07:38 AM	#263
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19,072	Originally Posted by dann Sorry about spoiling your mirth . . . Oh, you couldn't do that. I will always find it breathtakingly amusing when these insurrectionists out themselves and assist in their own apprehension and prosecution.

27th February 2021, 07:44 AM	#264
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19,072	Originally Posted by Bob001 It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/ The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power. Indeed. These folks have positions of power and influence, yet they act as of they're the oppressed. Oh woe is them, these downtrodden CEOs, entitled evangelical christians, these cynical, carreer snowflake politicians.
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27th February 2021, 08:51 AM	#265
Lithrael Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,049	Yeah, people mostly are what their brains are plus their surroundings so a lot of these folks are just some amount of predisposition + good old GIGO. You still have to take it seriously so that the influence of society isn’t just more of that garbage, but at the end of the day human mayhem is just a more complicated version of a dangerous rock-fall. So no I don’t wish anyone ill will. I just want to see someone put up some erosion barriers or something.
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27th February 2021, 11:15 AM	#266
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 19,214	Originally Posted by Resume Oh, you couldn't do that. I will always find it breathtakingly amusing when these insurrectionists out themselves and assist in their own apprehension and prosecution. Just as the Trump camp distanced themselves from the insurrectionists and tried to save Trump by saying those people acted on their own, contrary to his wishes, now a fair amount of the now-300 defendants are trying to say they were brainwashed by Trump and the far-right media and that they're all very sorry now. So if it's not Trump's fault because his followers are irrational and deluded, and it's not the followers' fault because they were mesmerized by a charismatic movement, whose fault is it? Oh, right: "Antifa." It used to be that putting a name on your enemy was a good way of galvanizing opposition to it. Now you don't need the enemy, just the name.

27th February 2021, 12:37 PM	#267
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	Originally Posted by Bob001 It is a terrible, dangerous mistake to imagine that the MAGA crowd are uneduated bumpkins. Cruz and Hawley are graduates of Harvard and Yale law schools. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a millionaire contractor. Many of the people arrested for invading the Capitol have good jobs or own businesses. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...emists/617895/ The MAGA crowd is not a bunch of downtrodden peasants. If that were true, it would be easy for the dominant class to squash them. But these people are part of the dominant class. 74 million of them voted for Trump, 10 million more than in 2016. They are all around us, and they have enormous power. That only (!) nine percent of people participating in the riot are unemployed is not surprising since it is not free of charge to travel to Washington for most people. What you don't seem to understand in spite of my attempts to make it apparent is that there is a hell of a difference between Cruz, Hawley and Greene and the MAGA crowd, i.e. between leaders and followers. You didn't see those three march in front of (or in) the crowd of the Capitol rioters. They were the people who incited MAGA crowd, not the ones who broke the windows. I guess you could call one of the members of the crowd a businesswoman: Quote: Babbitt was a small business owner and self-described libertarian. She owned a San Diego-based business, Fowler’s Pool Service and Supply, according to California business records. Her LinkedIn profile lists her as the company owner since May 2017. 'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist (Guardian, Jan. 9, 2021) But she died in debt. She was no heiress like Greene or a 'let's-go-to-Cancun-for-the-weekend tourist like Ted Cruz, so your three named leaders of the movement only serve to make the contrast to the MAGA crowd obvious. And while the rioters are being prosecuted, the instigators don't seem to suffer any repercussions, and they are the ones who have "enormous power". The ones in the crowd have diddly-squat.
	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

27th February 2021, 12:46 PM	#268
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	Originally Posted by JayUtah Just as the Trump camp distanced themselves from the insurrectionists and tried to save Trump by saying those people acted on their own, contrary to his wishes, now a fair amount of the now-300 defendants are trying to say they were brainwashed by Trump and the far-right media and that they're all very sorry now. So if it's not Trump's fault because his followers are irrational and deluded, and it's not the followers' fault because they were mesmerized by a charismatic movement, whose fault is it? The fault is obviously in both groups. What they have in common is the ideology, the American Dream, which works wonders for the rich: I am where I am because I am such a marvelous specimen. It doesn't work as well for the poor: I am not where I am supposed to be, so I'm on the lookout for the people who have cheated me out of the success that is my birthright as an American: the foreigners and their helpers, the unamerican libruls and their Antifa helpers! As in all cults, the instigators benefit from the delusion. Their followers don't.
	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

28th February 2021, 06:00 AM	#269
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,852	Originally Posted by dann Really?! Sorry about spoiling your mirth, but I find it grotesque. Yes, there are MAGA morons, and there are many of them, but unlike their leaders they have been kept ignorant. That they are ignorant to this extent is a tragedy, not something that should make us cheerful. At the same time, we have educated members of the MAGA cult in this forum, who are advocating the rights of these people to be this stupid and their own right to tell these people the lies that contribute to making them this stupid: Congress taking on 1st Am by proxy Unlike most of the ISF members of the MAGA cult, many of the morons that make you laugh have the disadvantage of having had no real education to speak of, which is an actual tragedy. ISF's own MAGA cultists don't have that excuse. They want the MAGA morons to stay ignorant because it makes them more susceptible to the MAGA lies. So stop laughing and thus behaving as the arrogant elite that the morons are fed up with. When you do this, you help the educated MAGA guys to present themselves as their allies because they want to help them stay stupid and ignorant and do so by spreading their lies. ETA: Stop and consider what it would have required for you to have become one of them: uneducated, unemployed poor parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood with bad schools, not having had access to the kind of books that you have been reading - or the kind of people who recommended them to you, a fundamentalist religious upbringing, etc. All kinds of circumstances have contributed to making them the kind of people they are and some ISF members are working to keep it that way. So? He's just a Trump supporter. I'll never give a **** about their kind.

1st March 2021, 05:14 AM	#270
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	My point is that they are not one kind. Too bad that you can't or won't distinguish between followers and leaders in the cult. The distinction makes a conversation with the former easier. You may even succeed in convincing some of them that they are being led by elitists who don't have their best interest at heart. But you seem to prefer your elitist mirth.
	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

1st March 2021, 05:24 AM	#271
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,868	A cult is defined by de-legitimatizing any non-positive information about itself. Cult members who don't seek out neutral information themselves are beyond reach. And any attempts to excuse the behavior cult members just adds to their sense of righteousness. No, the Trump Train must crash and burn before there is any sense to look for survivors in the wreckage.
	__________________ The things that you're liable To read in the Bible It ain't necessarily so

1st March 2021, 06:12 AM	#272
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,880	How Pro-Trump Forces Pushed a Lie About Antifa at the Capitol Riot (New York Times) Quote: But even as Americans watched live images of rioters wearing MAGA hats and carrying Trump flags breach the Capitol — egged on only minutes earlier by a president who falsely denounced a rigged election and exhorted his followers to fight for justice — history was being rewritten in real time. Quote: Nearly two months after the attack, the claim that antifa was involved has been repeatedly debunked by federal authorities, but it has hardened into gospel among hard-line Trump supporters, by voters and sanctified by elected officials in the party. More than half of Trump voters in a Suffolk University/USA Today poll said that the riot was “mostly an antifa-inspired attack.” At Senate hearings last week focused on the security breakdown at the Capitol, Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, repeated the falsehood that “fake Trump protesters” fomented the violence. For those who hoped Mr. Trump’s don’t-believe-your-eyes tactics might fade after his defeat, the mainstreaming of the antifa conspiracy is a sign that truth remains a fungible concept among his most ardent followers. Buoyed by a powerful right-wing media network that had just spent eight weeks advancing Mr. Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud, pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, exhibiting sheer gall as they seek to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters. Quote: A lie that outraced the truth A review of media activity in the immediate aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot reveals just how quickly the right-wing media machine, first online and then on radio and cable TV, advanced the fiction about antifa’s supposed involvement. The conspiracy gained new momentum after The Washington Times, a right-wing newspaper, published an online article shortly before 2:30 p.m. claiming that a facial recognition firm had identified antifa activists in the crowd at the Capitol. The newspaper corrected the article less than 24 hours later, after its claims were proved false — but not before the story made an enormous impact. The article eventually amassed 360,000 likes and shares on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle, a tool owned by Facebook and used for analyzing social media. It all happened right before our eyes. We saw the Trump rally that happened just before it, and what was said there. And yet, somehow, people like Mo Brooks think that Antifa somehow used "clever mob control tactics" to control Trump supporters to sack the Capitol?
	__________________ A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare

2nd March 2021, 08:48 AM	#273
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 987	Originally Posted by Puppycow How Pro-Trump Forces Pushed a Lie About Antifa at the Capitol Riot (New York Times) It all happened right before our eyes. We saw the Trump rally that happened just before it, and what was said there. And yet, somehow, people like Mo Brooks think that Antifa somehow used "clever mob control tactics" to control Trump supporters to sack the Capitol? Brooks and Trump supporters are stupid enough to believe anything.
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 987	__________________ There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious fact.

2nd March 2021, 09:35 AM	#274
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 19,214	How long before we get to Jewish mind-control lasers from space?

2nd March 2021, 11:20 AM	#275
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,868	Originally Posted by JayUtah How long before we get to Jewish mind-control lasers from space? yeah, I wish those Elders would hurry up.
	__________________ The things that you're liable To read in the Bible It ain't necessarily so