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Old 27th February 2021, 12:15 PM   #1
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CPAC 2021

There appears to be an ongoing debate over whether the CPAC stage was deliberately designed to resemble an Odal_(rune)WP or whether it's just a weird coincidence.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cp...e-nazi-symbol/

https://twitter.com/allisongill/stat...0452824756224/

I'm sure there's all sorts of other weird **** going down as well, and I didn't see another thread on topic.
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Old 27th February 2021, 12:31 PM   #2
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I'm going to go with:
It was an intentional decision.
It will be denied that it was an intentional decision.
It's the fault of 'the left' for noticing the similarity, and thus, they are the true Nazis.
The right demands One Party Rule.
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Old 27th February 2021, 12:38 PM   #3
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The Commie, Socialist, Radical Lefties are just being DRAMATIC!

LEAVE DONALD ALONE!

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Old 27th February 2021, 12:41 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The Commie, Socialist, Radical Lefties are just being DRAMATIC!

LEAVE DONALD ALONE!

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They have literally erected a golden statue of The Chosen One at CPAC for them to worship.

Conservatives are a cult.
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Old 27th February 2021, 12:43 PM   #5
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plus, I hear they are drinking the blood of Muslim babies!!
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Old 27th February 2021, 12:46 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
plus, I hear they are drinking the blood of Muslim babies!!
I've seen photos of the stage. I've seen the pictures of the Golden Trump.

Have not heard of them drinking blood however. Evidence?
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
I've seen photos of the stage. I've seen the pictures of the Golden Trump.

Have not heard of them drinking blood however. Evidence?
Its' something they do when they are "worshipping" the statue.
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Old 27th February 2021, 01:10 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Its' something they do when they are "worshipping" the statue.
Drinking Donnie's blood would be so like some US conservatives. Just as long as enough of them do it publicly, Donny and them will die. Then we can all move on from the madness and live better lives in a sane world.

Drink up!
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Old 27th February 2021, 01:18 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Its' something they do when they are "worshipping" the statue.
I understand the sensitive snowflakes are upset about getting caught at it. I recall the times when the right wing was accusing Democrats of elevating, or worshiping Obama. Then I remember, it's only bad when a Democrat/liberal/leftist/porg does it.

You can worship at the statue of The Chosen One all you want, Distracted1, the sane folk will just eye you oddly for it.

Enjoy your Golden Calf.
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Old 27th February 2021, 02:44 PM   #10
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Just booed down a speaker when he asked the audeince to wear masks.
it's official: American Conservatives hate Science.
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Old 27th February 2021, 03:08 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Just booed down a speaker when he asked the audeince to wear masks.
it's official: American Conservatives hate Science.
Certainly that didn't come as a surprise to you, did it? It's been official for years.
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The Trump Faithful are outside CPAC waiting for the Chosen One to appear and give them "guidance" as they're all "waiting to hear the next step" as one just told a reporter. Nope, they're not cultist at all. Not at all. I've never in my life waited for a politician to tell me what to do, least of all "next". These people need an authoritarian to tell them what to do because they can act on all their own racist or otherwise negative beliefs and avoid personal responsibility. They've not only been give permission to do so, they've been told to act on them.
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Old 27th February 2021, 05:43 PM   #13
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Watching the pizzagate and qanon conspiracy theorists twist themselves in knots to find symbols everywhere, I'm especially reluctant to apply symbolic intention to abstract shapes when there's some possibility of coincidence.

I'm not super familiar with the history and use of this shape. Stages with projections and walkways are pretty standard. Straight angles are massively cheaper to build than curves, so it isn't crazy to think this shape emergered. I'm not familiar enough with standard staging design to know what the process of designing a stage normally looks like. Heck, as far as I know the stage was already built and was a rental as is.

All that said, the kind of people who use neonazi symbols are certainly no strangers to the GOP over the past few years especially. The same groups sporting Trump's quote of "stand back and stand by" on t-shirts were also spotted at another event wearing ones that said "6mwe" short for 6 million jews killed in the holocaust not being enough. Neonazis and other white supremacists really love their little symbols and secret codes, that's not supposition.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were a meaningless coicidence.

Or if it were a decision that someone in the process thought would send a message.

Based on the "trolling as an admirable quality" new norm of the right that Trump has ushered in, I'd say there's at least a 20% chance that someone knew the symbol and picked it knowing that it might "trigger the libs" not necessarily to send a neo nazi message, but just because they knew people would spot it but not be able to prove it was intentional.
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Old 27th February 2021, 06:05 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
There appears to be an ongoing debate over whether the CPAC stage was deliberately designed to resemble an Odal_(rune)WP or whether it's just a weird coincidence.

Snopes says it remains unproven (for now) whether this was a deliberate use of Nazi imagery or simply an odd coincidence that a group some of whose members have been known to associate with White Nationalists and other racists happened to choose a stage design which looks like a symbol used by the Nazis last century and being used by some of this centuries Nazi-wannabes.

I think Snopes is right; it's not yet proven. But I think the odds are good that this was a deliberate choice on the part of at least some of the people who planned the conference.

It's not like this would be the first time in recent history that right-wing Republicans chose to use Nazi imagery or to quote Nazis and fascists or to allude to things such people have said. Just last month, for instance, newly-elected Illinois congresswoman Mary Miller quoted Hitler approvingly the day before Trump supporters stormed the capitol.

Last year Segnosaur started a thread, Trump and the use of Nazi/fascist imagery, which included some prominent examples of Trump and his people engaging in this kind of behavior. Some of you might be interested in reviewing the content of that thread when considering this CPAC incident.

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We have recently seen a few cases where Trump and/or his campaign has started to use imagery related to Nazi Germany or 20th century Facism in general...

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During the 2015 primaries, Trump tweets a picture of an American flag, with the white house and a group of soldiers in the background. However, the solders were actually wearing uniforms based on those used in Nazi Germany.

CNN

During the 2016 campaign, Trump quoted Mussolini. "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."

Politico

During the 2016 election, Trump tweeted a picture of Clinton, a bunch of cash, and a yellow star of David (the same symbol used to identify Jews in nazi concentration camps), which was widely thought to suggest "Clinton is being bribed by Jews". The campaign tried to explain it as being a "Sherrif's star", but the image had previously been posted in a racist forum.

CNN

Trump starts to adopt the phrase "America First". Now, that particular slogan had been in use for well over a centry (long before World War 1); however, it had been adopted by anti-interventionalists/pro-Nazi sympathizers during world war 2.

The Guardian

Trump campaign placed facebook ads waring people against 'far left' groups like Antifa. However, the message was accompanied by a red triangle, which was the same symbole used in Nazi concentration camps to denote political prisoners

Forbes

Trump tweets a video where a Trump supporter is clearly heard shouting "White Power".

CNN

Trump's campaign started to produce a shirt with an 'America First' theme. The problem is, the logo that was used (An eagle, wings spread, head facing right, and perched on a circle) was the same one used by Nazi germany.

Forbes

I think this past behavior of people on the right, and the failure of Trump supporters to condemn it when it was pointed out or to take steps to avoid this kind of thing continuing to happen, is good evidence that it was not accidental in the past, that they knew what they were doing and they had no problem doing it, and that the current incident is indeed the result of a deliberate choice rather than an embarrassing coincidence.
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Old 27th February 2021, 06:08 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
There appears to be an ongoing debate over whether the CPAC stage was deliberately designed to resemble an Odal_(rune)WP or whether it's just a weird coincidence.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cp...e-nazi-symbol/

https://twitter.com/allisongill/stat...0452824756224/

I'm sure there's all sorts of other weird **** going down as well, and I didn't see another thread on topic.
Frankly, I wouldn't think any less of them if it turns out it were an odal rune anyway. When your featured speaker is a guy that proposed special armbands and lists for a disfavored religious group as a political promise (even if he broke it), you're past that line anyway.

Other weirdness:

"real Americans in diners" don't care about "esoteric" things, they're worried about the 10th amendment and the correct way to respond to the national anthem.

Kimberly Guyrererwhateverwhocaes claims Toupee Fiscco will do more from his country club home than Biden and Harris will in the next 4 years. Did he do anything useful in his entire stint in the White House?

As a rap fan, I'm used to listening to conspiracy theories in rhyme form, but this is a bit much.

Anyway, I'm sure Marriot, and any local sex workers, are profiting nicely. Hope they're leaving decent tips for their waiters and the like this time, especially in COVID superspreader hateathon.
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Old 27th February 2021, 06:50 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Frankly, I wouldn't think any less of them if it turns out it were an odal rune anyway. When your featured speaker is a guy that proposed special armbands and lists for a disfavored religious group as a political promise (even if he broke it), you're past that line anyway.
I don't recall this one.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I don't recall this one.
Well, to be fair he didn't actually say it like that. He was asked during an interview if Muslims should have to be registered and required to wear some form of ID Badge and rather than saying "What a repulsive idea, making someone wear a badge displaying their religious belief is right out of 1930's Germany," he said "We're going to have to look at a lot of things very closely. We're going to have to look at the mosques. We're going to have to look very, very carefully."

Later when asked what the difference between a Muslim Database where Muslims were required to register and the registration of Jews in Nazi Germany he replied, "You tell me," and then wouldn't respond to further questions on it.

So no he didn't say it, but he strongly implied that it was an idea worthy of great consideration.
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.... As a rap fan, I'm used to listening to conspiracy theories in rhyme form, but this is a bit much. ...
Is that Roger Stone dancing beside him?
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As a rap fan, I'm used to listening to conspiracy theories in rhyme form, but this is a bit much.
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The other reason I think it was intentional is that all the people discussing this topic are are not discussing the painfully ignorant content of the speakers.

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I understand the sensitive snowflakes are upset about getting caught at it. I recall the times when the right wing was accusing Democrats of elevating, or worshiping Obama. Then I remember, it's only bad when a Democrat/liberal/leftist/porg does it.

You can worship at the statue of The Chosen One all you want, Distracted1, the sane folk will just eye you oddly for it.

Enjoy your Golden Calf.
How could I have forgotten. It's only bad when conservatives do it, right?

Maybe conservatives did not stop other conservatives from hyperbolizing because they would get some kind of knee-jerk reaction accusing them of being "radical leftists" if they did.
It's amazing how we can demonize one group for not being able to police itself- then go off on members of our own side who point out when we are doing the same thing.
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How could I have forgotten. It's only bad when conservatives do it, right?

Maybe conservatives did not stop other conservatives from hyperbolizing because they would get some kind of knee-jerk reaction accusing them of being "radical leftists" if they did.
It's amazing how we can demonize one group for not being able to police itself- then go off on members of our own side who point out when we are doing the same thing.
Touchy, aren't we.

Whatever makes you think the "other side" is a unified and consistent liberal bloc that always moves in lock-step and lock-speech with no internal disagreements? Have you learned NOTHING about the Democrats?
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Touchy, aren't we.

Whatever makes you think the "other side" is a unified and consistent liberal bloc that always moves in lock-step and lock-speech with no internal disagreements? Have you learned NOTHING about the Democrats?
I guess having been a registered Democrat for the last 30+ years has been lost on me.
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Just booed down a speaker when he asked the audeince to wear masks.
it's official: American Conservatives hate Science.
They're just so stupid. All these idiot Trump supporters, they barely even qualify as people. How to do these morons even negotiate airports?
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Last year Segnosaur started a thread, Trump and the use of Nazi/fascist imagery, which included some prominent examples of Trump and his people engaging in this kind of behavior. Some of you might be interested in reviewing the content of that thread when considering this CPAC incident.

I think my post in that thread still stands, especially the last paragraph:

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"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action."

That's a good rule to follow in such things. There's enough in common between national symbols (flags, eagles, stars, shapes, **** like that), that one or two similarities can probably happen by accident. I'm reminded of a talk I attended by the lead intellectual property officer for Target, the year they tried to move into the Canadian market, where he talked about how hard it was to find images for trademarks that hadn't already been used by someone else previously.

But when it keeps happening? And it seems they only "accidentally" copy the Nazis. When was the last time they "accidentally" copied a communist or socialist theme? Or any other identifiable political position, or country? They're not "accidentally" copying the Canadian or Mexican flags. Nope, it always seems to be the Nazis.


"Oh, tee-hee! That was just an accident!" only plays so many times before it's reasonable to conclude they're doing it deliberately.
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I think my post in that thread still stands, especially the last paragraph:

"Oh, tee-hee! That was just an accident!" only plays so many times before it's reasonable to conclude they're doing it deliberately.
That's the thing with pattern finding though. The only patterns that get found, are the ones people are looking for.

The pizzagate folks might say the same thing as you, why do these democrats keep using pedophile code images and words over and over?

If you look at a large enough selection of images and words with an aim in mind, you find matches to what you're looking for.

None of the pizzagate wackos are looking through leaked emails for phrases that look like Canadian pop song quotes, and if they noticed one, no one would think it were newsworthy enough to talk about.

If a GOP line from a speech or piece of imagery seemed to match up with something innocuous in the world, why would anyone point it out? You'd never read about it because no one cares.

I mean I do think there are neonazis in the party and people courting neonazis support. I'm just pointing out why "We only see this kind of reference" isn't a strong argument to back that up. No one is looking for secret socialist imagery in GOP stage design, and no one would think it was intentional or newsworthy if they noticed it, so we wouldn't hear about it.
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Just booed down a speaker when he asked the audeince to wear masks.
it's official: American Conservatives hate Science.
And there I was thinking that climate change denial, opposition to renewable energy, abortion opposition, stem-cell research obstruction, denial of evolution, young Earth creationism, and evangelical Christianity were mere aberrations.
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That's the thing with pattern finding though. The only patterns that get found, are the ones people are looking for.

The pizzagate folks might say the same thing as you, why do these democrats keep using pedophile code images and words over and over?

If you look at a large enough selection of images and words with an aim in mind, you find matches to what you're looking for.

None of the pizzagate wackos are looking through leaked emails for phrases that look like Canadian pop song quotes, and if they noticed one, no one would think it were newsworthy enough to talk about.

If a GOP line from a speech or piece of imagery seemed to match up with something innocuous in the world, why would anyone point it out? You'd never read about it because no one cares.

I mean I do think there are neonazis in the party and people courting neonazis support. I'm just pointing out why "We only see this kind of reference" isn't a strong argument to back that up. No one is looking for secret socialist imagery in GOP stage design, and no one would think it was intentional or newsworthy if they noticed it, so we wouldn't hear about it.
Exactly.
Should not even need explaining of a Forum such as this one.
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I guess having been a registered Democrat for the last 30+ years has been lost on me.
One of those totally not fake, no sir not at all, "Democrats for Trump" I take it? Sure, why not.
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Old 28th February 2021, 07:35 AM   #31
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One of those totally not fake, no sir not at all, "Democrats for Trump" I take it? Sure, why not.
Actually, just not one of those totally not-fake "skeptics" that see anything less than a reactionary "the other side is composed entirely of blood sucking troglodytes!!!!!!!1!1!" as "worship".
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Old 28th February 2021, 07:48 AM   #32
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Actually, just not one of those totally not-fake "skeptics" that see anything less than a reactionary "the other side is composed entirely of blood sucking troglodytes!!!!!!!1!1!" as "worship".
Ok, let's say I believe that. How then do you describe the feelings of those who still follow Trump?
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Old 28th February 2021, 08:07 AM   #33
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They have literally erected a golden statue of The Chosen One at CPAC for them to worship.
Made in Mexico.
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Ok, let's say I believe that. How then do you describe the feelings of those who still follow Trump?
Like ourselves, they have various reasons for their opinions.

Some of the reasons, I imagine, involve digging in their heels against demonizing nonsense spouted by some members of our own side.

Let's suppose you were conservative now being accused of being a member of a secret Nazi cabal because of a resemblance to the shape of a stage to a symbol you have never seen or given any thought to. Would that make you more, or less receptive to any other reasoning the accusers were levying?

"Be reasonable you idol worshipping Nazi!" Might just have the effect of generating a "**** you" response from just about anyone.

Some people like engaging in **** slinging contests purely because they like bein covered in ****.
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Like ourselves, they have various reasons for their opinions.

Some of the reasons, I imagine, involve digging in their heels against demonizing nonsense spouted by some members of our own side.

Let's suppose you were conservative now being accused of being a member of a secret Nazi cabal because of a resemblance to the shape of a stage to a symbol you have never seen or given any thought to. Would that make you more, or less receptive to any other reasoning the accusers were levying?

"Be reasonable you idol worshipping Nazi!" Might just have the effect of generating a "**** you" response from just about anyone.

Some people like engaging in **** slinging contests purely because they like bein covered in ****.
This doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask you to describe how the feel about being called Nazis, I asked how you would describe the devotion shown towards Trump as you are opposed to calling it worship.


Further, this fails to take into account the actual Nazi Trump followers discussed in this thread. Pretending that this latest use of Nazi imagery happened in a vacuum and has nothing to do with all the other uses of Nazi imagery and language is not a skeptical position.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It was a dog whistle and it appears the dogs are the only ones who heard it as usual.
Dogs are awesome. I hope we're the dogs in this metaphor.
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That Hobbit Trumpf statue is almost certainly not even gold-washed.

Brass? Yeah, probably.
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This is absolutely hilarious.

The National Anthem for CPAC 2021 was sung acapella by someone called Sailor Sabol. She was dreadful.

Pianist Larry Goldings has tried to add a piano accompaniment to her rendition, so you can see how many times she went off key, off tempo, off world. It's painful and funny at the same time

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Originally Posted by sackett View Post
That Hobbit Trumpf statue is almost certainly not even gold-washed.

Brass? Yeah, probably.
Iím betting just plastic, like a cheap Christmas ornament.
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Iím betting just plastic, like a cheap Christmas ornament.
Leave it out in the rain for a while. Then we'll see whether it turns green or just flakes away.
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