How do Truthers explain the cooperation/coordination needed within the US govt...

[Axxman300]

Originally Posted by tanabear

Well, considering all that has happened over this summer, I would say that the plot to destroy America is going smashingly well.

Bad news, America is doing just fine. Sorry to disappoint.

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He may or may not be a nutjob, but if he is you could say specifically and exactly where you think he is wrong. But you don't do that.

Don't need to address racist charges made by the criminally insane.

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But let's go through a little checklist in regards to the Dancing Israelis and those who worked for the Mossad front company "Urban Moving Systems."

Anti-American sentiment:
Desire to destroy America:
Foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks:
Celebrating the 9/11 attacks once they start:

But the "Dancing Israelis" were supposedly happy because the attacks meant the US would be tearing up the Middle East.

Also, everyone knew Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was behind it because they told everyone who'd listen they had a plan to strike the U.S.

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Now let's consider foreknowledge of the collapse of the towers on 9/11. Did any group have foreknowledge? Yes.

Apparently, this bit of information came from the highly suspicious Office of Emergency Management(OEM). It was EMT Richard Zarrillo who relayed the message to some of the fire captains that the South Tower would collapse. He says, “OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.” Fire Chief Pete Ganci’s response is, “who the f___ told you that?” Seconds later, they hear the noise of the South Tower as it collapses.

Zoinks! Almost as if professional firefighters understand how fire works in a tall building. Fire Captains being Fire Captains seem to understand what they are looking at in a real-time situation...because their job is to keep their crews safe. The South Tower was already leaning before it gave. Even TV reporters noticed it.

Maybe just the Jewish ones...

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Foreknowledge of the collapse of WTC7 occurred hours before the actual collapse. An engineer had relayed information to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden of the New York Fire Department that the building would collapse within 5 hours or so. Hayden will recall, “He said yes and he gave an approximate time of five to six hours, which was pretty much right on the money because the building collapsed about 5 o’clock that afternoon.” Hayden will not reveal the name of this engineer.

Michael Currid FDNY: "Someone from the Office of Emergency Management told us that this building was in serious danger of collapse…. Rich, a few other people and I went inside to the stairwells and started yelling up, 'Drop everything and get out!'"

Cool, nothing gets by you.

What you're saying it is somehow strange that after two identical buildings collapsed after impact and fire that the FDNY Chiefs, who were standing in the shadow of WTC7 for most of the day, somehow gave an accurate assessment of the time of collapse.

Five to six hours.

That's what the cool kids call a big window.

Plus, they were looking right at it and listening to it collapse for over 20 minutes before the final plunge.

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The emergency bunker(EOC) for the OEM was on the 23rd floor of WTC7. But for some reason it was empty that morning and there has never been a good explanation as to why. John Farmer, who headed the 9/11 Commission unit that assessed the city response to the attacks, will find it “strange that Richard Sheirer[director of the OEM], four OEM deputies, and a field responder went straight to the North Tower… rather than to the nearby emergency command center.” John Farmer goes on, “We tried to get a sense of what Sheirer was really doing. We tried to figure it out from the videos. We couldn’t tell. Everybody from OEM was with him, virtually the whole chain of command. Some of them should have been at the command center.”

Strange, almost as if they had evacuated the entire WTC complex after the second plane struck.

Then again, if they had foreknowledge then why not stay in WTC7 because they would also know there were only two planes, and thus no threat of other incoming jetliners like the unwashed of the NYPD, FBI, and FDNY were told.

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Note: So people knew ahead of time that WTC7 would collapse. In fact, it was reported before it collapsed and they established a perimeter around the building waiting for it to come down.

Which we actually knew on 9-11-2001 because they reported it on TV.

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Jerome Hauer was the director of the OEM from 1996 to 2000. At the time of 9/11 attacks he was the Managing Director at Kroll Associates, the "CIA of Wall Street", and was in charge of security for the World Trade Towers. ...blah, blah, blah...

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So Jerome Hauer knew how the towers collapsed and who was behind the attacks while the ground at 9/11 was still smoldering.

So did I. So did most people who were up on Al Qaeda in 2001

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Why was he so dismissive of the possibility of bombs being used?

He's not a moron.

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As director of OEM he would have known that is how Ramzi Yousef and company carried out the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.

So what you're saying is that Al Qaeda had already attacked the WTC in 1993, but even though their trademark is to hit the same target twice, somehow it is a mystery as to why anyone believed Al Qaeda was behind 2001.

Plus that 1993 blast was heard across Manhattan.

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There were many reports of explosions that day.

Yes. Seems there are lots of pieces of equipment and materials that do not react well to fire.

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But what Jerome Hauer was doing was laying out the official narrative for the American people to gobble up.

Why would anyone listen to Hauer over the CIA, DoD, and Al Qaeda?

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So foreknowledge of the attacks came from two groups, the "Dancing Israelis" (read: Mossad) and the OEM (read: sayanim). This is standard protocol for how Israel carries out false-flag attacks against other countries

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You do understand that dancing in public is not standard Mossad procedure. In fact, the only way a false flag event works is if nothing can be traced back to the instigator.

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Ron Unz comments on Victor Ostrovsky's writings on the Mossad,

Ron Unz is a moron.

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Can anyone name another group where a similar checklist of anti-American sentiment, highly specific foreknowledge, and joyous reaction to the 9/11 attacks can be given? No.

Al Qaeda. Bin Laden spent the day before the attack trying to get his satellite dish working so he could watch the news unfold live. He couldn't, but he and the rest of the leadership celebrated.

Then the Palestinians were shown celebrating in the streets after the towers collapsed.

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The 9/11 attacks were a Mossad and Sayanim operation.

Sorry, mein Obergruppenführer, it was Al Qaeda all the way.

[pgimeno]

Originally Posted by tanabear

Well, considering all that has happened over this summer presidency, I would say that the plot to destroy America is going smashingly well.

FTFY.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by tanabear

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Jerome Hauer had an interview with Dan Rather on the day of 9/11 and Hauer seems to already know how the towers collapsed and who was behind it, officially.
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The 9/11 attacks were a Mossad and Sayanim operation.

Already knew? lol, you mean the fire gave away the cause?
Yes, the biggest office fires in history after the towers are hit by Kinetic Energy weapons (aka Heavy Jets) equal in energy to 1400 to 2000 pounds of TNT - do you think fires not fought can doom buildings?

Oh, you believe the towers fell due to fire... never-mind

UBL disagreed with you - thus you lost this fantasy attempt at blaming people using imaginary evidence.


Why would you use an OEM right nest to the biggest emergency in history, right next to the area where Fire Fighters have jurisdiction and would evacuate neighboring buildings?

You have to be the dumbest investigator in history making up BS OEM is empty not realizing why... the Biggest fires in history people jumping, and you want people coming to the OEM next to the disaster?

Do you try to use logic, facts, and evidence, or did you ban the use of critical thinking skills to make up the dumbest 9/11 BS.

[bknight]

Originally Posted by Allen773

Oh boy...

Well double that observaron. 😎

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by tanabear

Well, considering all that has happened over this summer, I would say that the plot to destroy America is going smashingly well[…]

Some might say that tanabear's post was off topic since it makes no attempt to address the question in the OP. However, practically speaking it perfectly illustrates the actual answer: They don't, they just change the subject and post a wall of text that tries to assert something completely irrelevant.

Dave

[geggy]

E-Team

Over 150 different agencies and organizations were connected to the E Team collaborative platform including:

Federal -- The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA); The Department of Transportation; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and others...
State -- The New York State Emergency Management Office; The National Guard; and others...
Local -- New York Fire Department; New York Police Department; The Department of Health; The Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and others...
Non-profit -- The Red Cross; The Salvation Army; The ASPCA; and others...
Private sector -- Con Edison; Verizon; Nextel Communications; and others...
Working quickly, E Team deployed senior emergency management professionals and other personnel to support the new EOC 24/7, providing both an onsite presence in New York City and dedicated technical support from E Team's headquarters in California.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by geggy

E-Team

Over 150 different agencies and organizations were connected to the E Team collaborative platform including:

Federal -- The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA); The Department of Transportation; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and others...
State -- The New York State Emergency Management Office; The National Guard; and others...
Local -- New York Fire Department; New York Police Department; The Department of Health; The Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and others...
Non-profit -- The Red Cross; The Salvation Army; The ASPCA; and others...
Private sector -- Con Edison; Verizon; Nextel Communications; and others...
Working quickly, E Team deployed senior emergency management professionals and other personnel to support the new EOC 24/7, providing both an onsite presence in New York City and dedicated technical support from E Team's headquarters in California.

What does this have to do with idiotic conspiracy theories about 9/11?

[Leftus]

Originally Posted by geggy

E-Team

Over 150 different agencies and organizations were connected to the E Team collaborative platform including:

Federal -- The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA); The Department of Transportation; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and others...
State -- The New York State Emergency Management Office; The National Guard; and others...
Local -- New York Fire Department; New York Police Department; The Department of Health; The Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and others...
Non-profit -- The Red Cross; The Salvation Army; The ASPCA; and others...
Private sector -- Con Edison; Verizon; Nextel Communications; and others...
Working quickly, E Team deployed senior emergency management professionals and other personnel to support the new EOC 24/7, providing both an onsite presence in New York City and dedicated technical support from E Team's headquarters in California.

I knew it. The ASPCA! Couldn't have done it without them.

[Leftus]

Originally Posted by beachnut

What does this have to do with idiotic conspiracy theories about 9/11?

Don't you get it? Because they had plans to install the system on 9/17, clearly the attacks a week prior was an inside job?

You don't have emergency planning if you don't plan on having an emergency. And, with the ASPCA involved, Rodan!

Thus it is proven.

[Safe-Keeper]

Wow, CTers are so clueless that they view it as "incredibly suspicious" when experts predict something and get it right.

My hometown was hit by a storm over the weekend. The weather report warned us days in advance. Clearly an inside job.

[Allen773]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Wow, CTers are so clueless that they view it as "incredibly suspicious" when experts predict something and get it right.

My hometown was hit by a storm over the weekend. The weather report warned us days in advance. Clearly an inside job.

I knew it! I knew that climate change was a false flag by the Weather Channel!

[geggy]

Fox News reports: “Investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying… is considered career suicide.… A highly placed investigator says there are ‘tie-ins’ between the spy ring and 9/11. However, when asked for details, he flatly refuses to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’” The report also reveals that Amdocs, an Israeli company, is recording virtually every phone call in the US and could be passing information on to the Israeli government. Fox News suggests that the position of this company might impede the 9/11 investigation.

Fox News removes its series on the “art student spy ring” from its website after only two days, in response to pressure from The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) and others. CAMERA suggests the reporter “has something, personally, about Israel.… Maybe he’s very sympathetic to the Arab side.” The head of the ADL calls the report “sinister dangerous innuendo which fuels anti-Semitism.” Yet there does not appear to be any substance to these personal attacks and Forward magazine later reverses its stance on the spy ring. Fox News also never makes a formal repudiation or correction about the series. The contents of the series continues to be generally ignored by the mainstream media, but it makes a big impact inside the US government: An internal DEA communiqué from December 18 mentions the Fox report by name, and warns of security breaches in telecommunications as described in the Fox report

[geggy]

Bernie Kerik is an American former police officer, consultant, and former commissioner of the New York Police Department. He oversaw NYPD's response to the 9/11 attacks. He was Rudy Giuliani's right hand man and left NYPD when Giuliani's tenure as mayor ended. He became ministry of Iraq with his own security details with mercenaries from South Africa. He was a one time security head of a Saudi Arabia hospital where Saudi Royals frequently attended.

After an 18-month-long grand jury investigation conducted by the Bronx District Attorney's Office, Kerik pleaded guilty in Bronx Supreme Court on June 30, 2006 to two ethics violations (unclassified misdemeanors). Kerik acknowledged that during the time he was Interior Minister of Iraq, he accepted a $250,000 interest-free "loan" from Israeli billionaire Eitan Wertheimer and failed to report it. Kerik first met the billionaire, whose vast holdings include major defense contractors, when Kerik took a four-day trip to Israel less than two weeks before September 11, 2001 to discuss counter-terrorism with Israeli officials.

On November 8, 2007, Kerik was indicted by a federal grand jury in White Plains, New York on charges of tax fraud, and making false statements to the federal government about the $250,000 he received from Wertheimer. Prosecutors further accused Kerik of receiving about $236,000 from New York real estate mogul Steven C. Witkoff between 2001 and 2003. Some of the New York charges were dropped in December 2008, but Kerik was then re-indicted on the same charges in Washington, D.C.

On November 5, 2009, Kerik pleaded guilty to eight felony tax and false statement charges, specifically two counts of tax fraud, one count of making a false statement on a loan application, and five counts of making false statements. He was sentenced to forty-eight months in federal prison and three years' supervised release (probation). Kerik was represented by criminal defense attorney Michael F. Bachner. He surrendered to the U.S. minimum security prison camp in Cumberland, Maryland, on May 17, 2010. He was discharged from federal custody on October 15, 2013, and after serving five months' home confinement, his supervised release concluded in October 2016.

Kerik was granted a presidential pardon by Donald Trump on February 18, 2020.

Kerik Group: http://www.thekerikgroup.com/

[Leftus]

Originally Posted by geggy

... He flatly refuses to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’”

How you can tell this is a lie, or otherwise a fabrication. If the information is classified, then the actual existence of the information is also classified. Can neither confirm of deny, response would be expected. But a flat out statement that the evidence exists that links A to B, would be considered leaking that information, and if they are going to do that, then they would leak the actual information.

So, no, this information doesn't exist. Whomever was selling it found a gullible buyer and landed him like a fish.

[geggy]

Have you read the DEA report? Remember this was year 2000-2001 when the internet was fairly new and cyber security was lax

[Axxman300]

Originally Posted by geggy

Fox News reports: “Investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying… is considered career suicide.… A highly placed investigator says there are ‘tie-ins’ between the spy ring and 9/11. However, when asked for details, he flatly refuses to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’” The report also reveals that Amdocs, an Israeli company, is recording virtually every phone call in the US and could be passing information on to the Israeli government. Fox News suggests that the position of this company might impede the 9/11 investigation.

Fox News removes its series on the “art student spy ring” from its website after only two days, in response to pressure from The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) and others. CAMERA suggests the reporter “has something, personally, about Israel.… Maybe he’s very sympathetic to the Arab side.” The head of the ADL calls the report “sinister dangerous innuendo which fuels anti-Semitism.” Yet there does not appear to be any substance to these personal attacks and Forward magazine later reverses its stance on the spy ring. Fox News also never makes a formal repudiation or correction about the series. The contents of the series continues to be generally ignored by the mainstream media, but it makes a big impact inside the US government: An internal DEA communiqué from December 18 mentions the Fox report by name, and warns of security breaches in telecommunications as described in the Fox report

Look, we get it.

Guys like you NEED Jews to be behind 9-11 because it is part of your inbred world view.

Not one thing you have posted cites clear evidence of Mossad involvement, and not one thing you've posted debunks the mountain of evidence that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks.

[Allen773]

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Look, we get it.

Guys like you NEED Jews to be behind 9-11 because it is part of your inbred world view.

Not one thing you have posted cites clear evidence of Mossad involvement, and not one thing you've posted debunks the mountain of evidence that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks.

I’ve seen some folks attempt to square that circle by claiming that al-Qaeda is real but they were funded, armed, trained, and directed by the Mossad (the anti-Semitic variant of “the CIA created al-Qaeda.”). Or, that it was a joint CIA/Mossad operation. Truthers trying to have it both ways.

The thing is: I‘ve actually engaged with Truthers on the Saudi angle, naively hoping to find some common ground, but to the extent that anyone in the 9/11 Truth movement engages in that it INEVITABLY leads to them saying, “any Saudi involvement was done on behalf of the US and Israel” or “the Saudi stuff is a red herring” or “it was all the US government and/or Israel, there were no hijackers, al-Qaeda is a CIA/Mossad op”, and so on and so forth. I’ve come to the conclusion over time that none of them are interested in genuine questions about 9/11 or any good-faith critique of all the various “official” 9/11 investigations. They will always devolve into anti-Semitic and anti-government paranoia.

[Leftus]

Originally Posted by geggy

Have you read the DEA report? Remember this was year 2000-2001 when the internet was fairly new and cyber security was lax

The internet was not new. The Web was, certainly, but I first heard of the attacks, on the internet.

Cyber security only seems lax, it really wasn't, but when compared to the threats now, maybe. I mean, sure, some holes existed then that don't now. But it wasn't wide open.