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Old 9th February 2021, 01:05 PM   #41
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The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.

https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthch...n-d-deficient/

And YES, I own 10 supplement companies!!!!

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Old 9th February 2021, 01:16 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.

https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthch...n-d-deficient/

And YES, I own 10 supplement companies!!!!
Here's what "BIG PHARMA" says about vitamin D:

https://medshadow.org/vitamin-d-pros-cons/
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Old 9th February 2021, 01:16 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
People here have probably heard the saying:

"What do you call alternative medicine that actually works?"
"Medicine."
It really needs to be the "first go to remedy" and if one needs bigger guns go to Big Pharma. It's assbackwards as far as I'm concerned.

More deaths from drug interactions and failed surgeries.
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And so many could be off their Anti Depressant drugs if their Vit D levels were optimal. But no no, they continue to support Big Pharma and take their so called anti depressant drugs.
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Old 9th February 2021, 01:22 PM   #45
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It really needs to be the "first go to remedy" and if one needs bigger guns go to Big Pharma. It's assbackwards as far as I'm concerned.

More deaths from drug interactions and failed surgeries.
With modern medicine:

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Globally the life expectancy increased from less than 30 years to over 72 years; after two centuries of progress we can expect to live much more than twice as long as our ancestors. And this progress was not achieved in a few places. In every world region people today can expect to live more than twice as long.
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
And so many could be off their Anti Depressant drugs if their Vit D levels were optimal. But no no, they continue to support Big Pharma and take their so called anti depressant drugs.
Why is it that so many people who saddle themselves with ignorance think that lofty arrogance is the proper fix for it?
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Old 9th February 2021, 04:15 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
You said you were 82? I wonder if your parents and grandparents lived through the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918/19. They would not agree with you.

Read. Learn.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...ndemic/557663/
Yes my grands and mom/dad did and later 2 were born in 1909 and 1910...never heard of the spanish flu until this covid mess.

I had asian flu in 1957 and sick at home or week or so and I was 18.
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Old 9th February 2021, 04:15 PM   #48
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The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.

https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthch...n-d-deficient/

And YES, I own 10 supplement companies!!!!
Only ten?
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Why is it that so many people who saddle themselves with ignorance think that lofty arrogance is the proper fix for it?
And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
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And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
Is it your belief that if everyone attained optimal (how ever you define it) levels of vitamins & minerals (natural, of course) that there would be no mental health issues, specifically depression?

How about other health issues? Viruses would have no impact? Germs no impact?

Of course, you won't provide evidence for your answers, but never mind that.
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And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
(Shrug) Yours might not be; mine isn't. But I sure would like to see your evidence for an assertion that nobody's is. Also, joining The Greater Fool, some evidence for your assertion that Vitamin D in particular is enough to address depression would be nice, though, like him, I don't expect to actually see any.
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Yes my grands and mom/dad did and later 2 were born in 1909 and 1910...never heard of the spanish flu until this covid mess.
I'm sorry, are you saying that they never heard of the influenza pandemic of 1918? Could it be that someone who was eight or nine when that pandemic struck simply never mentioned it to a descendant who was born two decades later?

And if you never heard of it until last year, so what? All that demonstrates is your ignorance of world history. If you're unaware of the First Sino-Japanese War, it hardly means that it was unimportant,or that it never happened. I met an adult some years back who had no idea that the U.S. had fought a war with Mexico.

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I'm certainly glad that you remember a pandemic that you actually experienced.
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And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
My body doesn't process Serotonin correctly. It takes up way more than it should at the wrong times and does not release enough at the correct times.

Therefore the Anti-Depressant medication I take blocks the reuptake of serotonin at the inconvenient times and allows my brain to release it more effectively like that of a normal persons brain.

Since starting on antidepressants my general mood has elevated massively, and I have far far less frequent, less lengthy and less debilitating periods of low mood.

Prior to starting my antidepressant treatment, I had attempted or come close to attempting suicide on a more frequent basis than once a year. More like two or three times times a year over the course of at least 13 years.

Since I have been on my medication, I have made no attempts in the last two and a half years, and have never seriously contemplated it. I still have periods of low mood, I always will, but the medication has significantly reduced their impact on my life, and techniques learned during my therapy have made me more able to deal with them when they do arise.

As for Vitamin D, I used to work doing door to door fundraising meaning that I was outside in the sun for large portions of the day. I got a lot of Vitamin D. Coworkers had to prevent me from attempting suicide on three separate occasions over an 18 month period. This was just while I was actually AT work.
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That’s the thing about alternative medicine: it really isn’t holistic, despite its fondness for that word.
Supplements are also a billion dollar industry.
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The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.
I've been saying for years if I'm in on it I want my check.

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https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthch...n-d-deficient/

And YES, I own 10 supplement companies!!!!
So your purpose for joining the forum is to plug your products and drive people to your website?

That is not good form.
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Supplements are also a billion dollar industry.
So you think they should do business as a charity?

Pharma pigs are poorly paid, right? And their drugs and surgeries do a lot of damage, lots.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I've been saying for years if I'm in on it I want my check.

So your purpose for joining the forum is to plug your products and drive people to your website?

That is not good form.
I have NO forum. I have been working on keeping myself vital for over 30 yrs with supplements, and not propped up with drugs and waiting to be carried out.
I hope I can walk out when it's time for me...
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.

https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthch...n-d-deficient/

And YES, I own 10 supplement companies!!!!
Did you actually read that opinion piece, or did you just Google for the title. The "recent statistics" supporting the claim are not actually shown. No references at all. There's just some bald statement with a number that has been plucked out of the air for all we know.

Fortunately this piece also destroys its own premise of deficiency and your claim. It does not actually recommend supplements, but rather to improve the diet and get out in the sun for a few minutes each day. Well, duh!

Look, I'll give you a clue on how to assess random medical reports on the internet. The author of this opinion on vitamin D deficiency is:
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...Director of Wellness at Mercy Medical Center. She holds a master's degree in exercise physiology and has worked in cardiac rehab and general fitness since 1998. Certified by the American College of Sports Medicine as a clinical exercise specialist
I have an advanced degree in computer science. I'm as qualified as this person is to comment on this subject.
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Yes my grands and mom/dad did and later 2 were born in 1909 and 1910...never heard of the spanish flu until this covid mess.
YOU never heard of it? Or THEY never heard of it. I'm betting they damn well they DID hear of it, and lived through it too.

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More reading for you.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
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And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
You sound like you speak from experience. Would you like to talk it out?
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So you think they should do business as a charity?
Who is this "they"?

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Could it be you are a tad biased in your views?

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And their drugs and surgeries do a lot of damage, lots.
Umm, pharmaceutical companies don't perform surgeries, as a general rule. Their involvement is more towards supplying the medications used in surgery, such as anesthetics. Unless you are suggesting surgeries should be routinely performed without anesthetics??
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I have NO forum. I have been working on keeping myself vital for over 30 yrs with supplements, and not propped up with drugs and waiting to be carried out.
I hope I can walk out when it's time for me...
You may be surprised to learn that supplements ARE actually drugs. They are just not tested or controlled in any way.

So you are advocating for the use of drugs that have never been isolated, tested or proven. They are also not controlled for specific medical purpose, dosage size, strength of compounds, purity of materials, contaminants, misuse, cleanliness of medication and containers and packaging and handling, or any legal oversight or comeback. Not even labeling is controlled.

Yep, sounds appetising!
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Only ten?
That's a lot of Snake Oil.....
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The ignorance of so many here to get to better health. Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.
Do you really think that fallacious arguments like the Shill Gambit will work on this crowd?

Resorting to them only reveals your dearth of non-fallacious arguments.

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Exclamation marks, one or three.
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The ignorance of so many here to get to better health.
Patronising and unsupported assertion. What do you know about the health of this forum's members? Who on this forum does or does not take vitamin supplements?

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Most must get a paycheck from Big Pharma.
Please name the forum members you claim are being paid by pharmaceutical companies, and please state how you know this.
Which forum members?
Which pharmaceutical companies?
How much are they being paid?
What evidence do you have for this?
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I have NO forum. I have been working on keeping myself vital for over 30 yrs with supplements, and not propped up with drugs and waiting to be carried out.
I hope I can walk out when it's time for me...
what makes the difference between a supplement and a drug, in your opinion?
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You may be surprised to learn that supplements ARE actually drugs. They are just not tested or controlled in any way.

So you are advocating for the use of drugs that have never been isolated, tested or proven. They are also not controlled for specific medical purpose, dosage size, strength of compounds, purity of materials, contaminants, misuse, cleanliness of medication and containers and packaging and handling, or any legal oversight or comeback. Not even labeling is controlled.

Yep, sounds appetising!
Thanks in large measure to the congressional delegation from my state a few decades ago, who championed the deregulation of the dietary supplement industry. As a result, practically everyone in my state owns a "supplement company." All you have to put on the label is, "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration," referring to claims made on the label or in the advertising. Having said that, you can pretty much claim anything you want.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with Alex Jones and mask mandates.
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I have an advanced degree in computer science. I'm as qualified as this person is to comment on this subject.
I have a degree in aeronautical engineering... so I am equally qualified to comment on Vitamin D deficiency
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I have NO forum. I have been working on keeping myself vital for over 30 yrs with supplements, and not propped up with drugs and waiting to be carried out.
I hope I can walk out when it's time for me...
I'm still waiting for an answer from you as to why taking fake medicine has caused you to live to 82 and others (as I have posted) have lived to 100 by smoking and boozing? Which "proof" should I follow? Please show your work.

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Thanks in large measure to the congressional delegation from my state a few decades ago, who championed the deregulation of the dietary supplement industry. As a result, practically everyone in my state owns a "supplement company." All you have to put on the label is, "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration," referring to claims made on the label or in the advertising. Having said that, you can pretty much claim anything you want.
They will come after you for lots of little things on the label, but the big ones are promising hair growth or fat reduction. Really if you just make all your claims a bit vague it is pretty much ok.

The weird thing is that whether a product is an illegal drug or a supplement is determined more by the label than the contents. Make drug claims and the product is treated as a drug, even if it is just inert ingredients.

DSHEA is a ****** up law in so many ways.

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I have no idea what any of this has to do with Alex Jones and mask mandates.
You saw the part about fat and hair loss, yes?
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And why are so many ignorant to not working to get off drug after drug to try to get out of depression? Our bodies are NOT anti depressant deficient.
Obviously false. People in northern latitudes tend to be vitamin D deficient. I was for some time. What was the fix for that? Spending more time outdoors. Problem gone.

Also, I was clinically depressed at one point many years ago. What did my doctor prescribe for it? A damn good therapist. How did that work out? He ended up discharging me from his care because, in his words, "you don't need me anymore". No drugs were involved, ever. Never had an issue since.

Somehow, you are either attending crappy doctors, or making this crap up out of whole cloth.

Which is more likely? Well, you claim to have 10 supplement companies so you clearly have a fiscal interest in promoting such nonsensical ideas. That ends the discussion.
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How long until we hear the "Proper use of vitamins can cure cancer" crap?
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Old 10th February 2021, 01:24 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
How long until we hear the "Proper use of vitamins can cure cancer" crap?
I never heard of cancer before big pharma was involved in health care.
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Old 10th February 2021, 02:07 PM   #74
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And so many could be off their Anti Depressant drugs if their Vit D levels were optimal. But no no, they continue to support Big Pharma and take their so called anti depressant drugs.
I've had periods of psychosis due to severe depression before I started on SSRIs. I was in a mental state where suicide was appearing more like a feasible option before I decided to do something about it.

I had blood tests done at the time when I brought it up with my doctor as part of a general checkup to see if there was anything else going on. My vitamin levels were all fine apart from slightly low vitamin B12.

Within a few weeks of starting on SSRIs, my mood and functionality increased greatly and I was in a fit state to see a psychologist about my mental health and start dealing with the underlying cause(s) that lead to my depression (and which had also lead to my alcoholism). I pay €15 a month for my medication. A small price to pay for the benefits it has brought me.

Spare me your Big Pharma ranting about medication that actually works.
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Old 10th February 2021, 02:27 PM   #75
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And their drugs and surgeries do a lot of damage, lots.
I'd ask you to provide proof of that, which should be an easy thing for you to do. But you won't and will just bluster, so I'll sit back and watch you do doughnuts in your clown car until you get bored and slink away claiming victory.
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Old 10th February 2021, 02:53 PM   #76
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Masks are pretty useless/worthless.
Bollocks.

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Vit C, D, Zinc, Quercetin and others save lives and keep people healthy..
Also bollocks.
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Quercetin works to help zinc get into the cells of the body.
Again, utter bollocks. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Quercetin has no health benefits, it's merely a scam to separate the gullible from their money.

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And if one lives in the tropics then they are OK with Vit C and D, maybe,
What has living "in the tropics" to do with vitamin C?

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otherwise there is major deficiency in the world for D and C -- how many sit around and eat lbs of oranges. ummmmmmm
Again, bollocks. Plus there are foods far richer in vitamin C than oranges; watercress and blackcurrants for example.
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Old 10th February 2021, 05:15 PM   #78
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
what makes the difference between a supplement and a drug, in your opinion?
... and I wonder if Caroline13 actually knows what VitD supplements are composed of and how their ingredients are synthesised?
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These two quotes deserve to be in juxtaposition.... for the LOLZ

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I have no idea what any of this has to do with Alex Jones and mask mandates.
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You saw the part about fat and hair loss, yes?
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Old 10th February 2021, 06:48 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
So you think they should do business as a charity?

Pharma pigs are poorly paid, right? And their drugs and surgeries do a lot of damage, lots.




I can sum up Caroline's arguments in one short sentence:

Science based Medicine Sucks.
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