2024 Republican Primary - Page 2

Trebuchet · 9th January 2021, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by MrFliop

After Wednesday’s fiasco I think you can cross off Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley. It doesn’t seem their political careers will last long now.

I think they probably have a better chance than Mike Pence, at this point.

Firestone · 12th February 2021, 07:14 AM

Long article by Tim Alberta about 2024 hopeful Nikki Haley: Nikki Haley’s Time for Choosing
As is often the case, Alberta's insights into GOP politics are worth a read.

The first paragraph is pure gold:

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Late last year, Nikki Haley had a friend who was going through a hard time. He had lost his job and was being evicted from his house. He was getting bad advice from bad people who were filling his head with self-destructive fantasies. He seemed to be losing touch with reality. Out of concern, Haley called the man. “I want to make sure you’re okay,” she told him. “You’re my president, but you’re also my friend.”

The last one illustrates the dilemma Haley and other 2024 hopefuls face:

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There is a path of least resistance that Haley could yet pursue. No matter her passion in denouncing the president during our January 12 interview, no matter her certainty that he was crippled and the party was moving on without him, there is still time for Haley to recover. A campaign launch is two years off. She can work to rekindle that warm relationship with Trump, persuading him and his family that she got carried away. She can pretend that Marjorie Taylor Greene is just another harmless GOP backbencher. She can cozy up to the heavyweights at Fox News and convince them to pull their punches. She can pour her time and energy into denouncing those damned socialists in the Democratic Party, carrying forth as the partisan warrior queen, crossing her fingers and hoping that everyone from the redhats to the Republican National Committee members forget her momentary lapse.

Or she can say what she wants to say. She can cast her lot with Liz Cheney. She can campaign as herself. She can prove—once and for all—that her parents made the right choice by coming to the United States of America.

Hoping for a hint, I asked Haley on January 12: Does she still consider Trump a friend?

“Friend,” she answered, “is a loose term.”

Craig4 · 12th February 2021, 07:37 AM

I'm interested to see what happens with this breakaway conservative party. If they take most of the 19 percent of the Republican Party that disapproves of Trump it's a Democratic win. The Republicans might have to give in to the will of the minority for the sake of still being viable. Republicans can't risk even a ten percent defection in Florida, Ohio or Texas.

crescent · 12th February 2021, 08:55 AM

I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans:

General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon.

General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

I thought about Hawley, but he's too new.....

That doesn't stop his ego from believing he'd be a good candidate.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Niki Haley

forget about the rest.

I see she conveniently disowned Trump at the last minute.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Ted Cruz will have to be surgically removed from Trump's colon before he could run in 2024. Unless he runs as Trump's VP. Then it could be quite useful having him so close 24/7.

Like Hawley, Cruz seems so full of himself I'd bet he'll run again.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by MrFliop

Chris Christie Says He's Considering 2024 Run, Would Challenge Trump
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...trump/2794794/

And bridge-gate is water under the bridge. Traffic, what's so unusual about that?

OTOH, a picture of Christie and family enjoying a closed beach by themselves could likely still do him in. (I see Treb ninja'd that one.)

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Even Trump's closest advisors consider Donnie Jr to be a complete idiot.

I'd be willing to bet they feel the same about Ivanka given she walked in and out of meetings like the spoiled kid she is.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

All Republicans: "I'll form an exploratory committee to see how much cash I can rake in, and then run to make a profit, not to get elected, just as the Founding Fathers envisioned."

Good point.

Skeptic Ginger · 13th February 2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the failed coup has pretty much killed any chance of Trump himself getting the GOP nod.I think he will try to be the power behind the throne, though.

No way. Read the Trump is mentally ill thread for why.

dudalb · 13th February 2021, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans:

General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon.

General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders.

FLynn is too much damaged goods, frankly.

PhantomWolf · 13th February 2021, 08:04 PM

If Trump is able to and decides to run again in 2024 he could find it a little harder without access to Social Media.

The Great Zaganza · 13th February 2021, 09:02 PM

It requires a special kind of person to keep up the level of crazy set by Trump, Flynn and MTG.
Not every GOP candidate is completely shameless.

Craig4 · 15th February 2021, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by crescent

I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans:

General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon.

General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders.

I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal.

Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html

Something of a deal breaker.

timhau · 15th February 2021, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal.

Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html

Something of a deal breaker.

Dealbreaker in the GQP for sure, but if the sensible portion of the party breaks off, that branch might not see it as a killer issue.

Sherkeu · 15th February 2021, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

If Trump is able to and decides to run again in 2024 he could find it a little harder without access to Social Media.

He has access to social media though, doesnt he?.
Anything he says is copied and shared to twitter in mere minutes, by proxy.
This would be supporters and those critical.

Tough really to ban someone that people are paying attention to. If he declines in 'clicks' and interest is down, then maybe.

angrysoba · 15th February 2021, 06:49 AM

At this point, I won't accept any argument of "damaged goods", "too obviously crazy", "far too openly bigoted", or "has a history of insanity" as a disqualifier for the Republican presidential candidate. If anyone thinks, "Aha, I found some dirt on this guy making sexist remarks!" is enough to kill off anyone's candidacy, then they must have been in a coma for four years.

The only thing that might disqualify a candidate is if they show even the merest hint of moral scruples.

zorro99 · 15th February 2021, 07:39 AM

Has Trump already declared himself the winner?

Segnosaur · 15th February 2021, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sherkeu

He has access to social media though, doesnt he?.

Anything he says is copied and shared to twitter in mere minutes, by proxy.

This would be supporters and those critical.

Tough really to ban someone that people are paying attention to. If he declines in 'clicks' and interest is down, then maybe.

Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended.

Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump.

So whomever wanted to post Trump's rantings would have to filter them, which would probably mean a drop in interest.

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Sherkeu · 15th February 2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended.

Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump.

So whomever wanted to post Trump's rantings would have to filter them, which would probably mean a drop in interest.

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Well I am not on twitter to know how that works normally but the news is full of people giving statements that are reported all throughout social media- even the worst of terrorists and criminals get quoted.

Is there something special that get people saying "Trump said this today and I think this about it" banned? Whether or not they agree or disagree?

I would think that would be very over the line into censorship.

Segnosaur · 15th February 2021, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Sherkeu

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Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended.

Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump.

Well I am not on twitter to know how that works normally but the news is full of people giving statements that are reported all throughout social media- even the worst of terrorists and criminals get quoted.

Is there something special that get people saying "Trump said this today and I think this about it" banned? Whether or not they agree or disagree?

I suspect it would likely be a judgement call on the part of the administrators over at Twitter.

Something like a reporter repeating Trump's comments from a press conference or interview would probably not be a problem.

But, if it were someone who: 1) had a close association with Trump, such as a campaign worker, family member, or someone who Trump pardoned, 2) had a majority (or at least a significant number of posts) all starting with "Trump says..." or something similar, and 3) did nothing to provide any sort of commentary to show that they were expressing their own thoughts, then they might be seen as a Trump sock puppet and either banned, or any "Trump says..." posts removed.

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I would think that would be very over the line into censorship.

As has probably been explained to you... No, this is not censorship, because it is not the government doing it. Trump's free speech is not being affected at all.

Trump has the right to free speech... he could stand on the street corner and tell people walking by that "aliens are really running the deep state", and he would not be arrested. He could try publishing his own newspaper and say the same thing. Twitter is a private company.... they have the right enforce any sort of 'terms of service' on their user base, and if they want, to ban you from using the service. It is not 'censorship' if Twitter, Facebook, or any other service decides they don't want you as a user. The right to free speech does not mean that any company is should be forced to carry that speech.

XKCD

SteveAitch · 15th February 2021, 08:57 AM

As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win?

Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck...

JoeMorgue · 15th February 2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win?

Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck...

Yes.

- Natural Born Citizen
- Resident of the US for at least 14 years
- Over 35 years of Age

Are the only requirements the Constitution puts down in order to run for and hold the office of President.

Segnosaur · 15th February 2021, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win?

Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck...

Yes they can.

For example, Lyndon LaRouche was convicted of Fraud in 1988, but ran as a candidate for the Democratic primaries in 1992 while still in prison. And Eugene Debs ran as a socialist candidate despite being convicted of defying a court order.

See:
Wiki (Lyndon LaRouche)
Wiki (Debs)

JoeMorgue · 15th February 2021, 09:17 AM

And I've always been of the opinion that sooner or later we're going to have a if not Constitutional Crisis at least Constitutionally Adjacent Heated and Spirited Legal Debate over the requirements to be President.

crescent · 15th February 2021, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

FLynn is too much damaged goods, frankly.

Flynn may be too damaged to win the popular vote. But he's got the sort of "damage" that the conspiracy wing of the Republican party feeds on. And more and more they are running the show.

Also, the popular vote is becoming less and less relevant to the Republican party's ability to get a president elected.

Originally Posted by Craig4

I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal.

Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html

Something of a deal breaker.

I mentioned his endorsement of Biden in my first post about him. That said, if McChrystal runs he would be running in the mold of an Eisenhauer or Powell - moderate policy positions but running on the strength of Republican love for the military. Even a failed candidacy could be a tool in the effort to recenter the GOP.

turingtest · 15th February 2021, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by crescent

Flynn may be too damaged to win the popular vote. But he's got the sort of "damage" that the conspiracy wing of the Republican party feeds on. And more and more they are running the show.

Also, the popular vote is becoming less and less relevant to the Republican party's ability to get a president elected.

I mentioned his endorsement of Biden in my first post about him. That said, if McChrystal runs he would be running in the mold of an Eisenhauer or Powell - moderate policy positions but running on the strength of Republican love for the military. Even a failed candidacy could be a tool in the effort to recenter the GOP.

From the way they've been banging on about Trump's "75 million votes! More than any president in history!" you'd think they've decided that the only time the popular vote is relevant is when the guy with the fewer votes automatically wins.

Tero · 25th February 2021, 08:20 AM

we have to finish seeing what happens in 2022. There will be some changes in the party, but if the Trump people persist, we might have another Trump forced in.

Had discussions elsewhere about the Trump effect, and it will still be working in 2022. People do not change political views easily, and hate to admit loss. Trump had a slightly bigger influence over races overall, as the Trump vote kept Republicans in office. The ones in borderline states tend to be even more extreme. In red states you can be republican simply by opposing abortion and taxes.

So we will see a strong Trump involvement for 2 years so he can get revenge on Republicans that betrayed him. And the GOP will benefit from turnout. We may see Mitch rule for another 2 years. But never after 2024. He will just finish his 6 yers.

Segnosaur · 25th February 2021, 08:31 AM

Mitt Romney has weighed in....

From: NBC News
Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, who voted in favor of convicting former President Donald Trump in his second impeachment trial, said Tuesday that Trump would likely beat the GOP field if he decides to run in the 2024 presidential election.

Stacyhs · 25th February 2021, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

we have to finish seeing what happens in 2022. There will be some changes in the party, but if the Trump people persist, we might have another Trump forced in.

Had discussions elsewhere about the Trump effect, and it will still be working in 2022. People do not change political views easily, and hate to admit loss. Trump had a slightly bigger influence over races overall, as the Trump vote kept Republicans in office. The ones in borderline states tend to be even more extreme. In red states you can be republican simply by opposing abortion and taxes.

So we will see a strong Trump involvement for 2 years so he can get revenge on Republicans that betrayed him. And the GOP will benefit from turnout. We may see Mitch rule for another 2 years. But never after 2024. He will just finish his 6 yers.

Agreed. Trump lives for revenge. He never forgets and he never forgives.
McConnell will be 85 when this term is over. I highly doubt he will run again.

9th January 2021, 02:19 PM	#41
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,276	Originally Posted by MrFliop After Wednesday’s fiasco I think you can cross off Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley. It doesn’t seem their political careers will last long now. I think they probably have a better chance than Mike Pence, at this point.
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12th February 2021, 07:14 AM	#42
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,998	Long article by Tim Alberta about 2024 hopeful Nikki Haley: Nikki Haley’s Time for Choosing As is often the case, Alberta's insights into GOP politics are worth a read. The first paragraph is pure gold: Quote: Late last year, Nikki Haley had a friend who was going through a hard time. He had lost his job and was being evicted from his house. He was getting bad advice from bad people who were filling his head with self-destructive fantasies. He seemed to be losing touch with reality. Out of concern, Haley called the man. “I want to make sure you’re okay,” she told him. “You’re my president, but you’re also my friend.” The last one illustrates the dilemma Haley and other 2024 hopefuls face: Quote: There is a path of least resistance that Haley could yet pursue. No matter her passion in denouncing the president during our January 12 interview, no matter her certainty that he was crippled and the party was moving on without him, there is still time for Haley to recover. A campaign launch is two years off. She can work to rekindle that warm relationship with Trump, persuading him and his family that she got carried away. She can pretend that Marjorie Taylor Greene is just another harmless GOP backbencher. She can cozy up to the heavyweights at Fox News and convince them to pull their punches. She can pour her time and energy into denouncing those damned socialists in the Democratic Party, carrying forth as the partisan warrior queen, crossing her fingers and hoping that everyone from the redhats to the Republican National Committee members forget her momentary lapse. Or she can say what she wants to say. She can cast her lot with Liz Cheney. She can campaign as herself. She can prove—once and for all—that her parents made the right choice by coming to the United States of America. Hoping for a hint, I asked Haley on January 12: Does she still consider Trump a friend? “Friend,” she answered, “is a loose term.”
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13th February 2021, 04:41 PM	#48
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by MrFliop Chris Christie Says He's Considering 2024 Run, Would Challenge Trump https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...trump/2794794/ And bridge-gate is water under the bridge. Traffic, what's so unusual about that? OTOH, a picture of Christie and family enjoying a closed beach by themselves could likely still do him in. (I see Treb ninja'd that one.)
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13th February 2021, 05:08 PM	#52
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,527	Originally Posted by crescent I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans: General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon. General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders. FLynn is too much damaged goods, frankly.
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13th February 2021, 08:04 PM	#53
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,388	If Trump is able to and decides to run again in 2024 he could find it a little harder without access to Social Media.
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12th February 2021, 07:37 AM	#43
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,844	I'm interested to see what happens with this breakaway conservative party. If they take most of the 19 percent of the Republican Party that disapproves of Trump it's a Democratic win. The Republicans might have to give in to the will of the minority for the sake of still being viable. Republicans can't risk even a ten percent defection in Florida, Ohio or Texas.

12th February 2021, 08:55 AM	#44
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,023	I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans: General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon. General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders.

13th February 2021, 04:36 PM	#45
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by Donal I thought about Hawley, but he's too new..... That doesn't stop his ego from believing he'd be a good candidate.

13th February 2021, 04:37 PM	#46
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Niki Haley forget about the rest. I see she conveniently disowned Trump at the last minute.

13th February 2021, 04:39 PM	#47
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Ted Cruz will have to be surgically removed from Trump's colon before he could run in 2024. Unless he runs as Trump's VP. Then it could be quite useful having him so close 24/7. Like Hawley, Cruz seems so full of himself I'd bet he'll run again.

13th February 2021, 04:45 PM	#49
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by dudalb Even Trump's closest advisors consider Donnie Jr to be a complete idiot. I'd be willing to bet they feel the same about Ivanka given she walked in and out of meetings like the spoiled kid she is.

13th February 2021, 04:47 PM	#50
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza All Republicans: "I'll form an exploratory committee to see how much cash I can rake in, and then run to make a profit, not to get elected, just as the Founding Fathers envisioned." Good point.

13th February 2021, 04:51 PM	#51
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,800	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the failed coup has pretty much killed any chance of Trump himself getting the GOP nod.I think he will try to be the power behind the throne, though. No way. Read the Trump is mentally ill thread for why.

13th February 2021, 09:02 PM	#54
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,862	It requires a special kind of person to keep up the level of crazy set by Trump, Flynn and MTG. Not every GOP candidate is completely shameless.
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15th February 2021, 06:12 AM	#55
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,844	Originally Posted by crescent I'm going to guess two retired Generals who might run as Republicans: General Michael Flynn: I don't think he would run against Trump, but I could see him as a VP pick, especially if Trump snags the nomination. Running in the primaries could position him for that VP pick, or even the President if Trump doesn't run. He's arch-right, has pledged support of Qanon. General Stanley McChrystal: Was removed from his post (in part) for criticizing VP Biden - but then endorsed Biden for President. Has also endorsed a few other Dems for office and has expressed support for some concepts generally popular with Dems. Then again, he was more or less fired by the Obama administration and had a very good reputation as a wartime military leader. The record as a war leader could position him as a solid moderate Republican candidate to push against Trump and Trump pretenders. I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal. Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html Something of a deal breaker.

15th February 2021, 06:25 AM	#56
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,512	Originally Posted by Craig4 I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal. Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html Something of a deal breaker. Dealbreaker in the GQP for sure, but if the sensible portion of the party breaks off, that branch might not see it as a killer issue.
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15th February 2021, 06:37 AM	#57
Sherkeu Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Disneyland Posts: 2,481	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf If Trump is able to and decides to run again in 2024 he could find it a little harder without access to Social Media. He has access to social media though, doesnt he?. Anything he says is copied and shared to twitter in mere minutes, by proxy. This would be supporters and those critical. Tough really to ban someone that people are paying attention to. If he declines in 'clicks' and interest is down, then maybe.

15th February 2021, 06:49 AM	#58
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,604	At this point, I won't accept any argument of "damaged goods", "too obviously crazy", "far too openly bigoted", or "has a history of insanity" as a disqualifier for the Republican presidential candidate. If anyone thinks, "Aha, I found some dirt on this guy making sexist remarks!" is enough to kill off anyone's candidacy, then they must have been in a coma for four years. The only thing that might disqualify a candidate is if they show even the merest hint of moral scruples.
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15th February 2021, 07:39 AM	#59
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 987	Has Trump already declared himself the winner?
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15th February 2021, 07:47 AM	#60
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,333	Originally Posted by Sherkeu He has access to social media though, doesnt he?. Anything he says is copied and shared to twitter in mere minutes, by proxy. This would be supporters and those critical. Tough really to ban someone that people are paying attention to. If he declines in 'clicks' and interest is down, then maybe. Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended. Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump. So whomever wanted to post Trump's rantings would have to filter them, which would probably mean a drop in interest. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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15th February 2021, 08:13 AM	#61
Sherkeu Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Disneyland Posts: 2,481	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended. Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump. So whomever wanted to post Trump's rantings would have to filter them, which would probably mean a drop in interest. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk Well I am not on twitter to know how that works normally but the news is full of people giving statements that are reported all throughout social media- even the worst of terrorists and criminals get quoted. Is there something special that get people saying "Trump said this today and I think this about it" banned? Whether or not they agree or disagree? I would think that would be very over the line into censorship.

15th February 2021, 08:40 AM	#62
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,333	Originally Posted by Sherkeu Quote: Well when he first got banned from twitter, trump tried to use other accounts (the official POTUS account, and one from one of his workers). The posts were removed by twitter and (in the case of the worker) their account was suspended. Twitter would likely do the same to any account that "parroted" trump. Well I am not on twitter to know how that works normally but the news is full of people giving statements that are reported all throughout social media- even the worst of terrorists and criminals get quoted. Is there something special that get people saying "Trump said this today and I think this about it" banned? Whether or not they agree or disagree? I suspect it would likely be a judgement call on the part of the administrators over at Twitter. Something like a reporter repeating Trump's comments from a press conference or interview would probably not be a problem. But, if it were someone who: 1) had a close association with Trump, such as a campaign worker, family member, or someone who Trump pardoned, 2) had a majority (or at least a significant number of posts) all starting with "Trump says..." or something similar, and 3) did nothing to provide any sort of commentary to show that they were expressing their own thoughts, then they might be seen as a Trump sock puppet and either banned, or any "Trump says..." posts removed. Quote: I would think that would be very over the line into censorship. As has probably been explained to you... No, this is not censorship, because it is not the government doing it. Trump's free speech is not being affected at all. Trump has the right to free speech... he could stand on the street corner and tell people walking by that "aliens are really running the deep state", and he would not be arrested. He could try publishing his own newspaper and say the same thing. Twitter is a private company.... they have the right enforce any sort of 'terms of service' on their user base, and if they want, to ban you from using the service. It is not 'censorship' if Twitter, Facebook, or any other service decides they don't want you as a user. The right to free speech does not mean that any company is should be forced to carry that speech. XKCD
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15th February 2021, 08:57 AM	#63
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 168	As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win? Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck...
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15th February 2021, 09:07 AM	#64
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,474	Originally Posted by SteveAitch As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win? Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck... Yes. - Natural Born Citizen - Resident of the US for at least 14 years - Over 35 years of Age Are the only requirements the Constitution puts down in order to run for and hold the office of President.
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15th February 2021, 09:14 AM	#65
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,333	Originally Posted by SteveAitch As a matter of interest, and possibly a silly question or two, but can convicted criminals stand for president? After they've been released, or even while doing time? And if they are doing time and win, does their sentence get suspended while they are out presidenting? Can they stand while out on bail? And, again, what happens if they win? Just asking for a bloke who shares his name with a duck... Yes they can. For example, Lyndon LaRouche was convicted of Fraud in 1988, but ran as a candidate for the Democratic primaries in 1992 while still in prison. And Eugene Debs ran as a socialist candidate despite being convicted of defying a court order. See: Wiki (Lyndon LaRouche) Wiki (Debs)
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15th February 2021, 09:17 AM	#66
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,474	And I've always been of the opinion that sooner or later we're going to have a if not Constitutional Crisis at least Constitutionally Adjacent Heated and Spirited Legal Debate over the requirements to be President.
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15th February 2021, 11:00 AM	#67
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,023	Originally Posted by dudalb FLynn is too much damaged goods, frankly. Flynn may be too damaged to win the popular vote. But he's got the sort of "damage" that the conspiracy wing of the Republican party feeds on. And more and more they are running the show. Also, the popular vote is becoming less and less relevant to the Republican party's ability to get a president elected. Originally Posted by Craig4 I've heard McChrystal speak a couple of times since he retired. I think there is zero chance of him running as a Republican. My impression of him was that he was a scholar general in the Eisenhower mold. Absent a complete turnaround in the GOP's anti intellectualism stance he won't have much appeal. Also, he endorsed Biden. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/u...tal-biden.html Something of a deal breaker. I mentioned his endorsement of Biden in my first post about him. That said, if McChrystal runs he would be running in the mold of an Eisenhauer or Powell - moderate policy positions but running on the strength of Republican love for the military. Even a failed candidacy could be a tool in the effort to recenter the GOP.

15th February 2021, 11:16 AM	#68
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,735	Originally Posted by crescent Flynn may be too damaged to win the popular vote. But he's got the sort of "damage" that the conspiracy wing of the Republican party feeds on. And more and more they are running the show. Also, the popular vote is becoming less and less relevant to the Republican party's ability to get a president elected. I mentioned his endorsement of Biden in my first post about him. That said, if McChrystal runs he would be running in the mold of an Eisenhauer or Powell - moderate policy positions but running on the strength of Republican love for the military. Even a failed candidacy could be a tool in the effort to recenter the GOP. From the way they've been banging on about Trump's "75 million votes! More than any president in history!" you'd think they've decided that the only time the popular vote is relevant is when the guy with the fewer votes automatically wins.
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25th February 2021, 08:20 AM	#69
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,214	we have to finish seeing what happens in 2022. There will be some changes in the party, but if the Trump people persist, we might have another Trump forced in. Had discussions elsewhere about the Trump effect, and it will still be working in 2022. People do not change political views easily, and hate to admit loss. Trump had a slightly bigger influence over races overall, as the Trump vote kept Republicans in office. The ones in borderline states tend to be even more extreme. In red states you can be republican simply by opposing abortion and taxes. So we will see a strong Trump involvement for 2 years so he can get revenge on Republicans that betrayed him. And the GOP will benefit from turnout. We may see Mitch rule for another 2 years. But never after 2024. He will just finish his 6 yers.
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25th February 2021, 08:31 AM	#70
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,333	Mitt Romney has weighed in.... From: NBC News Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, who voted in favor of convicting former President Donald Trump in his second impeachment trial, said Tuesday that Trump would likely beat the GOP field if he decides to run in the 2024 presidential election.
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25th February 2021, 10:35 AM	#71
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,216	Originally Posted by Tero we have to finish seeing what happens in 2022. There will be some changes in the party, but if the Trump people persist, we might have another Trump forced in. Had discussions elsewhere about the Trump effect, and it will still be working in 2022. People do not change political views easily, and hate to admit loss. Trump had a slightly bigger influence over races overall, as the Trump vote kept Republicans in office. The ones in borderline states tend to be even more extreme. In red states you can be republican simply by opposing abortion and taxes. So we will see a strong Trump involvement for 2 years so he can get revenge on Republicans that betrayed him. And the GOP will benefit from turnout. We may see Mitch rule for another 2 years. But never after 2024. He will just finish his 6 yers. Agreed. Trump lives for revenge. He never forgets and he never forgives. McConnell will be 85 when this term is over. I highly doubt he will run again.