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Old 17th February 2021, 07:39 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
My favorite medical factoid is how China, a country with centuries of herbal remedies, became the largest consumer of Viagra when that market opened up.

Science beats folk remedies every time.
But powdered rhino horn has to work! It's a hard, sticky up thingy, for Ed's sake! The logic is impenetrable!
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Old 17th February 2021, 09:33 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
My favorite medical factoid is how China, a country with centuries of herbal remedies, became the largest consumer of Viagra when that market opened up.

Science beats folk remedies every time.

I'll bet when you buy rhino horn or tiger penis these days, it's laced with Viagra.
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Old 18th February 2021, 03:42 AM   #43
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Where are we on the Crank Bingo cards?

Someone must have a line for Tenpenny and Natural News, shirley?

And all those other antivax tropes: has no-one won yet?

ETA Oooooh, I just spotted "I'm not anti-vax, but..." in another thread and who but an anti-vax type uses "allopathic"?

I'm getting close, as I'm missing Toxins Gambit and a couple of others.

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My good neighbor guy friend who helps me with shopping and stuff and we are on the same page with all this covid mess...he gets no vaccines, takes supplements, is 57 and when he left with a trash bag for the recycle, we gave each other a big hug and no masks....

And says when he walks around town, no mask, he is greeted with smiles and a look of understanding from others like him, my daughter the same age, says the same thing. And she often gets "where's your mask"....she ignores.

The fear mongers out there is ASTOUNDING....

And he agrees, all this is for the "depopulation" purpose.
So, you met some moron who thinks this is about depopulation? There are lots of moron anti vaxers and anti maskers out there. Just because there are lots of morons, doesn't make them right. Stupidity doesn't become less stupid because of higher numbers.
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Old 18th February 2021, 05:24 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
I can think for myself and have followed other researchers and investigative reporters for years.
Excellent. Glad to hear it. I get so used to debating with conspiracy theorists whose idea of research is to watch the same video on two different echo chambers and leave it at that.
You may not be aware, but it is a courtesy on this forum to summarise the contents of posted videos. Perhaps you could oblige?
I do have a question about the headline of this video. It says that the effects will be visible 'within 3-6 months'. Is that 3-6 months from when the testing started, or 3-6 months from when they were rolled out to the public?
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Old 18th February 2021, 05:49 AM   #46
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This is hitting a lot of checks. Gates is still an evil mastermind who is trying to kill us all because...……….??? hmmm reasons. Medicine bad, herbals good. Grapeseed cures cancer...…….gotcha. Can someone wake me up when we get around to chemtrails causing covid?
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Old 18th February 2021, 06:01 AM   #47
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Of course not, no medical degree, and allopathic MD's are selling legal drugs.

I don't follow stats
Oh dear, we don't know about the healthcare systems in the rest of the world, as opposed to the ad hoc lack of a system of Merkinania...Over here medics prescribe, not sell and some of us don't even pay prescription charges. The only ones who sell are homeopaths, naturopaths and the rest of the grifters. What do you make of that?

As to the second point: this tells me where some of your difficulties with evidence lie. I will recommend a book like Trisha Greenhalgh's How to Read a Paper as a starting point, but as she's a medic by training and medical educator by trade I expect you will dismiss that option.
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This is hitting a lot of checks. Gates is still an evil mastermind who is trying to kill us all because...……….??? hmmm reasons. Medicine bad, herbals good. Grapeseed cures cancer...…….gotcha. Can someone wake me up when we get around to chemtrails causing covid?
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Old 18th February 2021, 01:50 PM   #49
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And in my time, all the kids got chicken pox, measles and mumps and we all lived into long lives, still have friends my age and all had the childhood diseases.
I’m sure that’s a great comfort to the hundreds of thousands of parents whose children died from measles.

Key facts
• Even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available, in 2018, there were more than 140 000 measles deaths globally, mostly among children under the age of five.
• Measles vaccination resulted in a 73% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2018 worldwide
• In 2018, about 86% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.
• During 2000- 2018, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 23.2 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...detail/measles
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I love the "Us against the establishment" line of thinking Anti-Vaxxers use because (like everything else) it's wrong.

Their assumption is that skeptics and or just normal people accept vaccines blindly, while others are brainwashed by "Big Pharma", and their government. Most of us weigh the risks of taking a vaccine against being infected by whatever bug is going around. When I was young I could handle the flu. It sucked, I had matter flying out of both ends of my body, and everything hurt. But I got through it. Today at my age, with my health? No way. Not worth the risk. Even so, I tend to wait three weeks after the latest flu vaccine is released because if there are side-effects they'll show up in this time-frame. I'm sure others have their own precautions too.

I doubt any of us skeptic jump into the vaccination line blindly. We just know which sources of information to trust and do our homework.

I wish there were vaccines against:

All cancers
Dementia
Asthma
Diabetes
MS

And hundreds of other diseases.

I am rooting for "Big Pharma" to erase as many viruses, diseases, and maladies as possible. You'd have to be a monster not to.
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Old 18th February 2021, 02:13 PM   #51
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This is hitting a lot of checks. Gates is still an evil mastermind who is trying to kill us all because...……….??? hmmm reasons. Medicine bad, herbals good. Grapeseed cures cancer...…….gotcha. Can someone wake me up when we get around to chemtrails causing covid?
Wait, I don't think we've heard if she tied an onion to her belt. I hear it was the fashion at the time...
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Old 18th February 2021, 02:15 PM   #52
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I love the "Us against the establishment" line of thinking Anti-Vaxxers use because (like everything else) it's wrong.

Their assumption is that skeptics and or just normal people accept vaccines blindly, while others are brainwashed by "Big Pharma", and their government. Most of us weigh the risks of taking a vaccine against being infected by whatever bug is going around. When I was young I could handle the flu. It sucked, I had matter flying out of both ends of my body, and everything hurt. But I got through it. Today at my age, with my health? No way. Not worth the risk. Even so, I tend to wait three weeks after the latest flu vaccine is released because if there are side-effects they'll show up in this time-frame. I'm sure others have their own precautions too.

I doubt any of us skeptic jump into the vaccination line blindly. We just know which sources of information to trust and do our homework.

I wish there were vaccines against:

All cancers
Dementia
Asthma
Diabetes
MS

And hundreds of other diseases.

I am rooting for "Big Pharma" to erase as many viruses, diseases, and maladies as possible. You'd have to be a monster not to.

Couldn't agree more.
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Which is it...?

(1) It's dangerous because its new technology

(2) It's a conspiracy to cull the population

(3) All the above
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Old 18th February 2021, 09:52 PM   #54
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You have been caught lying

1) Life expectancy has increased since the introduction of vaccines. You were shown the hard statistics but ran away. Your false anecdotal claim that non vaccinated people live longer is a lie.

2) You got your lies confused and gave two different time frames for when you last had a vaccine. You are now pretending you can't remember when you last had a vaccine, even though you yourself wrote the two different claims.

Currently, you simply start a new thread to promote your anti-vaccine propaganda every time you run away from your previous lies.
What are you talking about? I'm not lying, born in PGH and don't know if I got polio vaccine, not everyone in the U.S. got it back then, I don't think so but that is my thought. I have a friend here where I live who is maybe 7 yrs younger and he's got polio damage in right arm and he's an incredible left handed (one arm) golfer. I know no one else with poliio.
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This is hitting a lot of checks. Gates is still an evil mastermind who is trying to kill us all because...……….??? hmmm reasons. Medicine bad, herbals good. Grapeseed cures cancer...…….gotcha. Can someone wake me up when we get around to chemtrails causing covid?
Check Grape Seed Ex and cancer research at Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering and probably many more...research done mostly with breast, prostate, colon and melanoma cancers.

I could write my own book on all I've learned taking it 25+ yrs.

Thank you all for your wise cracks.
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Old 18th February 2021, 09:58 PM   #56
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Couldn't agree more.
Grape Seed Extract benefits all the conditions you mention. Do some research. And Yes dementia. Oh asthma reduction is a big one. I have not taken an otc drug for allergies in 25+ yrs and I was the allergy queen.

Do a search with Grape Seed Extract and all the health issues you mention.

As I said I could write my own book on all the benefits.

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Grape Seed Extract benefits all the conditions you mention. Do some research. And Yes dementia. Oh asthma reduction is a big one. I have not taken an otc drug for allergies in 25+ yrs and I was the allergy queen.

Do a search with Grape Seed Extract and all the health issues you mention.

As I said I could write my own book on all the benefits.
Are you selling it? If not, why not?

I mean, jeeze, if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?

Or the other way around?
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Are you selling it? If not, why not?

I mean, jeeze, if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?

Or the other way around?
No I'm not selling but letting people know about it, as MOST don't have a clue...I'm not working, did that for 40 yrs and health is my job and hobby. And there are SO MANY companies who produce Grape Seed Ex and it came to the U.S. from France in about 1994 or so, I got with it in 1995.

I am rich with good health, money doesn't buy good health, wake up to that one. And financially I'm just fine, at 82 my needs are very little, good health #1.

And if I had not landed here you folks would not know about it, and what do you with the info, is up to you. Good Night.
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My favorite medical factoid is how China, a country with centuries of herbal remedies, became the largest consumer of Viagra when that market opened up.

Science beats folk remedies every time.
OP does think we are getting stiffed by science.
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Grape See Extract is pretty much a nothing. Says the National Center for Complimentary and Integrated Health.

Caroline, your own people don't support your much-vaunted claims for GSE. Perhaps you can lower the price at your shopping outlet now?
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Old 19th February 2021, 01:43 AM   #61
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I know no one else with poliio.
Right, because the polio vaccines have made cases of polio virtually unheard of. That's great that your friend was able to learn to golf with one arm. But if he'd been vaccinated he'd have the use of both. And great numbers of children were permanently paralyzed - or simply killed - by polio before the vaccines. Again, had you been born a century earlier, there would have been a high probability that you wouldn't have survived to adulthood, and a 50/50 chance that you'd live past the age of 50. And you'd definitely have known lots of people who lost at least one child. You yourself would certainly have known the terror of having a child become ill, as so many others did. You can denigrate modern medicine all you want, but the evidence of its efficacy is against you.
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Old 19th February 2021, 02:31 AM   #62
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Check Grape Seed Ex and cancer research at Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering and probably many more...

[citation needed]
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Check Grape Seed Ex and cancer research at Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering and probably many more...research done mostly with breast, prostate, colon and melanoma cancers.

I could write my own book on all I've learned taking it 25+ yrs.
Does that include mistaking DNA for a preservative and saying that ingesting it would be bad because it's difficult to pronounce?


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Check Grape Seed Ex and cancer research at Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering and probably many more...research done mostly with breast, prostate, colon and melanoma cancers.
Bollocks.
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As I said I could write my own book on all the benefits.
Why don't you then? Think of all the good you could do, all the people you could help, all the lives you could save!
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The thing Caroline13, or any other woo peddlers for that matter, don't understand is that if these miracle cures they rant on about actually worked, they wouldn't just be on the fringes of the medical community and peddled by snake oil salesmen to the gullible.
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Hey everyone! I think there is something to this mRNA vaccines mess with your DNA (I do know what that is).

Since I had my first dose of the Pfizer one the other day the pain and stiffness in my lower back which I've had for the last 2 months and the regular nervous and venous impingement in both arms has improved markedly!

Obviously it cannot be anything to do with the topical diclofenac nor the various exercises I've been doing, it must be that my DNA was messed with. And looking like some of it was improved!
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I could write my own book on all I've learned taking it 25+ yrs.

Thank you all for your wise cracks. Lots of Fools.
Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About
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Kevin Mark Trudeau (/truːˈdoʊ/; born February 6, 1963) is an American fraudster, author, and salesman, known for promotion of his books and resulting legal cases involving the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

I believe it was 10 years he got.

For someone who has clearly stated that they are not interested in any type of learning, I am afraid all I have for you is wisecracks.
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[citation needed]
Several pages into a wander on a certain well-known search engine has produced only one hit for a university or any other remotely academic site, other than the NCCIH already mentioned, and that is the University of Rochester, which says, "At this time, there aren’t any proven uses for grape seed extract."

Personally I'll stick with other products of Vitis vinifera and not make any claims other than "I think this tastes good!"
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The thing Caroline13, or any other woo peddlers for that matter, don't understand is that if these miracle cures they rant on about actually worked, they wouldn't just be on the fringes of the medical community and peddled by snake oil salesmen to the gullible.
Indeed not.
They would be Big Pharma, not the Big Pharma we've got now.
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Check Grape Seed Ex and cancer research at Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering and probably many more...research done mostly with breast, prostate, colon and melanoma cancers.

I could write my own book on all I've learned taking it 25+ yrs.

Thank you all for your wise cracks.
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So why have you not yet responded to the things which are far from wise cracks? Y'know, requests for some actual science and evidence, the pointing out of dangerous errors in what you say and that class of thing?

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Oooh, ooooh, I changed my search term and found a Mayo Clinic paper on grape seed extract and breast cancer...

https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com...-of-postmenopa

Guess what? It doesn't say what Caroline says the Mayo have said...
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Oh dear, Memorial Sloan Kettering do not go any further than a few "preclinical studies suggest" or "may be associated with" or "preliminary studies suggest" stylee comments.

C'mon, surely you can do better than that?
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And in my time, all the kids got chicken pox, measles and mumps and we all lived into long lives, still have friends my age and all had the childhood diseases.

You were lucky. Here are the ones who didn't "live into long lives".

Measles:
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In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it, and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.
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The fatality rate for varicella was approximately 1 per 100,000 cases among children age 1 through 14 years, 6 per 100,000 cases among persons age 15 through 19 years, and 21 per 100,000 cases among adults.
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
Dr. Tenpenny on what one could expect 3-6 months down the road. Video took some doing to get it going, but I did.

https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/02/dr...in-3-6-months/

Ah, more damaging news on the Tech Vaccines:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-02-...-vaccine.html#
Tenpenny is a dangerous crank, and was hounded out of Australia for her crankery.

Natural News is run by a nut-case drug-addict promoting laughable and often illegal and dangerous "cures". He also lies A LOT.

Either one would make your OP an automatic fail. Both together is a royal flush of fails.
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Old 19th February 2021, 06:08 AM   #76
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If grape seed extract is so great why not just cut out the middle-man (who is actually converting the grape seeds into a "drug") and eat lots of grapes with seeds in them. That would be much more natural after all.
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Old 19th February 2021, 06:51 AM   #77
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Caroline, why are you ignoring people's arguments and just preaching at us? So far you've dropped out of two threads where I and others have asked you questions and you don't look to be answering any of the questions here either.
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Old 19th February 2021, 06:54 AM   #78
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Indeed not.
They would be Big Pharma, not the Big Pharma we've got now.

Who do you think makes the supplements?
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Old 19th February 2021, 07:15 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Caroline, why are you ignoring people's arguments and just preaching at us? So far you've dropped out of two threads where I and others have asked you questions and you don't look to be answering any of the questions here either.
Because when someone asks tough questions it's easier to just start over instead of actually addressing them. You rope in more people unfamiliar with the existing discussion that way.

Basically, it's a clear sign that the person knows they're peddling baloney, or are conditioned to continue advocating for it while avoiding close examination of the claims.
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Which is it...?

(1) It's dangerous because its new technology

(2) It's a conspiracy to cull the population

(3) All the above
Yes.
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