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Old 9th July 2019, 11:43 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I doubt it. My suspicion is that the dynamic duo is just repeating talking points out of the latest edition of the Hasbara handbook while hoping not to get called out over it.
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.
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Old 9th July 2019, 11:44 AM   #722
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.
You find those under quite a few ideologies, and you needn't scratch very hard.
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Old 9th July 2019, 12:22 PM   #723
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Quite possibly, but the fact that that single passage is all I could find that even tangentially refers to this issue sort of points out how weak this talking point really is.

True, and you explained well why they think they can get away with it:

Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The essential problem here is that the GOPers have decided that this deal should have required a hard commitment by Iran to stop supporting terrorism in addition to everything else it was intended to do, and have decided to just pretend that it did, in fact, do that. They're simply uncomfortable with the notion of a piecemeal advancement of relations with Iran, and would rather torpedo these advancements entirely instead of doing the real work needed to engage with Iran.
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Old 9th July 2019, 12:23 PM   #724
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.

Wow, that came totally unpredictably. I'm shocked!
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Old 10th July 2019, 08:00 AM   #725
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Trump Tweets

Iran has long been secretly “enriching,” in total violation of the terrible 150 Billion Dollar deal made by John Kerry and the Obama Administration. Remember, that deal was to expire in a short number of years. Sanctions will soon be increased, substantially!
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Old 10th July 2019, 03:17 PM   #726
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Iran has long been secretly “enriching,” in total violation of the terrible 150 Billion Dollar deal made by John Kerry and the Obama Administration. Remember, that deal was to expire in a short number of years. Sanctions will soon be increased, substantially!
Jerusalem Post's reaction to this tweet (with Reuters):
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While Iran was found to have had covert enrichment sites long before the nuclear accord, the 2015 deal imposed the most intrusive nuclear supervision on Iran of any country, and there has been no serious suggestion Iran is secretly enriching now in a way that would hint at an effort to develop a nuclear weapon.
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Trump's allegation about covert enrichment was met with derision by diplomats who follow the IAEA. "That tweet kills me," one diplomat at the meeting said in a sign of exasperation.
(link: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...ntially-595227)
Actually, in this conflict, perhaps the only person who might need to be "sanctioned" is Trump himself. Being the president of a powerful country doesn't give license to permanently behave like an imbecile.
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Old 10th July 2019, 07:36 PM   #727
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And in today's "Oh Jesus Christ!" Moment, I've just found out about this piece of brilliance:

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The Iranian regime took action today to increase its uranium enrichment. It was a mistake under the Iran nuclear deal to allow Iran to enrich uranium at any level. There is little doubt that even before the deal’s existence, Iran was violating its terms.
Who said it? Go on, guess.






Those Persian Bastards, violating a deal before it even existed!
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Old 10th July 2019, 07:46 PM   #728
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
And in today's "Oh Jesus Christ!" Moment, I've just found out about this piece of brilliance:



Who said it? Go on, guess.






Those Persian Bastards, violating a deal before it even existed!
This is one of the most illogical sentences I’ve ever read but to be expected from this White House.
There is little doubt that even before the deal’s existence, Iran was violating its terms.
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Old 12th July 2019, 11:10 AM   #729
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Hey, deals should be enforceable retroactively!
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Old 13th July 2019, 04:05 AM   #730
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You're telling me what the deal claims. I'm asking how the claim is enforced.

Also, there's a lot more to building a nuclear arsenal than just having the uranium.

How does the deal curb that stuff? How does it stop the Iranians from putting it all together? How does it stop the Iranians from ramping up enrichment whenever they want?

Remember, this deal was supposed to curb Iranian support for terrorism, which it completely failed to do. Why should we have faith in any of its other clauses?
Iranian support for proxy wars would be more accurate. It's a common way of expanding your regional influence these days.
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The orange one now brags about having shot down an Iranian drone.
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Old Yesterday, 08:38 PM   #732
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
The orange one now brags about having shot down an Iranian drone.
I wonder if someone clever in Tehran presented the drone on a platter to be shot down to even the score.
You know, like you let your brother punch you when you punched him a bit too hard before.
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Old Yesterday, 09:35 PM   #733
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Iranian support for proxy wars would be more accurate. It's a common way of expanding your regional influence these days.
Perfected by the US since 1947...
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Old Yesterday, 09:46 PM   #734
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Before that latest orange claim happened a tanker transporting oil from one UAE port to another disappeared on the 14th. US was whining under the media radar blaming Iran. Wednesday Iran announced that it seized the ship because the cargo was "smuggled".
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Old Today, 02:05 AM   #735
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I thought they were claiming it was having engine difficulties and they went aboard to assist?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I thought they were claiming it was having engine difficulties and they went aboard to assist?

Nobody can get by with just one version of a story anymore.

Two are only sufficient if they are mutually contradictory.
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Old Today, 04:52 AM   #737
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I thought they were claiming it was having engine difficulties and they went aboard to assist?

How come? Sniffed BBC again?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I thought they were claiming it was having engine difficulties and they went aboard to assist?
They went to assist it, went on board and then (presumably) found it was being naughty.

Sounds like a small ship, so it's not all that far fetched.
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Turns out we're all confused - It weren't two stories, but two ships:

Oil tanker assisted
Smaller smuggling boat seized
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Old Today, 10:29 AM   #740
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Perfected by the US since 1947...
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Now these Iranian pirates have seized a Swedish owned, but British flagged, tanker.

Help us America! Save us!
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The Iranians have released footage from the surveillance drone allegedly proving that it wasn't shot down.

Originally Posted by FARS News
[...] The footage released by the IRGC has been recorded by the drone during a surveillance mission over the Strait of Hormuz over the USS Boxer.

IRGC Navy drones routinely fly over the strategic waterway of the Strait of Hormuz to ensure its security for free international maritime transportation.

The footage shows the trafficking of vessels through the Strait of Hurmuz before the arrival of the American warship and continues to cover the area after the US vessel moves forward and then keeps surveilling the USS Boxer.

The IRGC issued a statement after releasing the video on Friday evening, saying that the drone has been watching the USS Boxer and five other US warships accompanying it for three hours, from the time when they had not made an entry into the Strait of Hormuz to the time when exited the waterway.

"During this period, out drone bases have not observed and recorded any unconventional and threatening action by the US terrorist forces on the stated warship," the IRGC statement reiterated.

"Hence, it is more evident and proved now that the claim raised by the US officials about the shooting down of an Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz without any (supportive) evidence has been baseless and a lie," it added. [...]

The video is embedded in a Flash container (way to prove technical superiority ). If you're like me and don't allow that kind of crappy software on your computer, here is the direct link to the video I located in the source code (4.5 Mb .mp4). Can't say it proves anything, but interesting that they felt like releasing it.
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Old Today, 12:00 PM   #743
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I thought they were claiming it was having engine difficulties and they went aboard to assist?
The Iran government and Trump are alike in one thing: you can't believe anything they say.
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Like I said before, it you want to know where I get off the Anti Trump Train (and I despise TRump) it's what it starts supporting the Iranian Government and trying to excuse their every action.
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MoA is on the case of the latest seizure:

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[...] The dimwits in London who listened to John Bolton and ordered to pirate the Iranian ship are now in deep trouble. It was an utterly stupid move. There is little they can do now except to let the 'Grace 1' go. But who in Britain can now give the order? Theresa May is about gone and Boris Johnson is still busy collecting votes to become the next prime minister.

Added: The IRGC now confirmed that it took the ship:
The IRGC Navy announced in statement that British oil tanker “Stena Impero” has been captured on Friday evening because of violating the international maritime regulations when crossing the Strait of Hormuz.

The UK oil tanker has been seized by the IRGC Navy forces in the first naval zone at the request of the Ports and Maritime Organization of Iran at the province of Hormozgan, a statement said.

The British vessel has been taken to the port and delivered to the Ports and Maritime Organization for the legal and judicial processes, it added.
[...]
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