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Old 8th July 2019, 05:58 AM   #481
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Depends what you mean. For example in the 80s in Manchester many of the Ts would go to the New Union (not the most trendy of the few gay pubs around the area) and they certainly didn't face violence and threats in such a pub. Yes there were some issues in that some of the Gs and Ls were not that friendly or supportive but in the end the commonality of persecution brought the activists together.
My recollection too. There were lots of tensions between certain groups and trans women in particular, but we were all there in it together.

Bisexuals got a worse run in many ways, especially as in the '80's it was hard to get people to believe there was such a thing. I wasn't around to see LGBT all grouped together. Even the L and G was a difficult marriage.
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Old 11th July 2019, 05:25 AM   #482
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Old 16th July 2019, 02:03 PM   #483
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/114291...fair-advantage

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Science demonstrates that high adult levels of testosterone, as well as permanent testosterone effects on male physiology during in utero and early development, provides a performance advantage in sport and that much of this male physiology is not mitigated by the transition to a transwoman.
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Old 17th July 2019, 05:55 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post

You mean smashing the women's hurdle world record by 2 full seconds (if I remember correctly) isn't normal? Shocked.

All the women MMA fighters that had to fight a trans then later complained they'd never been hit so hard in their lives actually weren't lying?

This is one of the stupidest subjects ever discussed here, and that is saying a whole lot.

Sorry ladies, we're taking away your bathrooms, your right to your own bodies, and now your sports. Ya let's get things back to where they belong - the dark ages.

WT politically correct F is wrong with people?

And guess what? Scientists will not sway people's opinions on this matter. Science is not politically correct.
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 AM   #485
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Interesting:

"Potential solutions include excluding trans women from competing in the women's division, creating a third division for trans women and intersex women and calculating a handicap for trans women based on their testosterone levels – similar to that used in golf.

Their preferred option is an extension of this with a proposed algorithm that could account for a range of parameters, both physical and social, including physiological,*gender identity and could include socioeconomic status."


... could include socioeconomic status? Say goodbye to the Olympics being simply about 'the fastest man/woman in the world'
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Old Yesterday, 11:02 AM   #486
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... could include socioeconomic status? Say goodbye to the Olympics being simply about 'the fastest man/woman in the world'
"You ran faster, but I won because I would have been even faster than you if I'd had a better upbringing and could afford better equipment and training. And if I were a man."

ETA: If this goes through, sooner or later we're going to have a fast woman who beats a slow man, but still loses the race because she didn't beat him by enough to offset her wealth advantage under the handicap rules.

And there are other awkwardnesses ahead of us as well. Sports competitions make money off of people who want to see the best of the best, putting each other to the test. This is why men's events generate far more revenue than women's events. Merging the literal best with the potential best into a single handicapped event will almost certainly reduce viewership and revenue. Presumably this outcome is undesirable to the IOC. Hopefully they don't actually imagine that the "transwomen are women" activists represent a demographic large enough to offset these revenue losses.

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Old Yesterday, 11:04 AM   #487
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The weirdest thing about all of this is that we now have situations where men make the best women.
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Old Yesterday, 12:46 PM   #488
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"You ran faster, but I won because I would have been even faster than you if I'd had a better upbringing and could afford better equipment and training. And if I were a man."
"Fastest Woman in the World with a Gross Annual Income of less that $25,000".

The possible categories are endless.
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What will happen first? Equal pay for women's soccer? Or the complete destruction of women's soccer?

Sooner or late, a junior varsity men's college team is going to identify as women, go to the world cup, and score points like it was basketball.

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What will happen first? Equal pay for women's soccer? Or the complete destruction of women's soccer?
I really liked the Babylon Bee take:

Pay Gap Between Men's And Women's Teams Reveals Shocking Truth That People Are Paid To Play Soccer

My favorite bit:
"Soccer is a game played by children and Europeans that involves moving a ball around without using one’s hands -- the feature that distinguishes man from lesser animals."
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I really liked the Babylon Bee take:

Pay Gap Between Men's And Women's Teams Reveals Shocking Truth That People Are Paid To Play Soccer

My favorite bit:
"Soccer is a game played by children and Europeans that involves moving a ball around without using one’s hands -- the feature that distinguishes man from lesser animals."


Ah, but human soccer players use their back legs to move the ball around. I'd like to see a dog do that.
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Ah, but human soccer players use their back legs to move the ball around. I'd like to see a dog do that.
Dogs might have some trouble, but birds could do it easily enough.
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
Interesting:

... creating a third division for trans women and intersex women ...
That's the only sensible option, otherwise sport will end up in the same classification debacle that disabled sport has.

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The weirdest thing about all of this is that we now have situations where men make the best women.
Thailand & Pacific Islands have recognised that for many years.

Depends on what accessories you're after - bit like choosing between a sports car and a kitted-out 4WD.
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