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Old 9th July 2019, 11:43 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I doubt it. My suspicion is that the dynamic duo is just repeating talking points out of the latest edition of the Hasbara handbook while hoping not to get called out over it.
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.
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Old 9th July 2019, 11:44 AM   #722
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.
You find those under quite a few ideologies, and you needn't scratch very hard.
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Old 9th July 2019, 12:22 PM   #723
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Quite possibly, but the fact that that single passage is all I could find that even tangentially refers to this issue sort of points out how weak this talking point really is.

True, and you explained well why they think they can get away with it:

Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The essential problem here is that the GOPers have decided that this deal should have required a hard commitment by Iran to stop supporting terrorism in addition to everything else it was intended to do, and have decided to just pretend that it did, in fact, do that. They're simply uncomfortable with the notion of a piecemeal advancement of relations with Iran, and would rather torpedo these advancements entirely instead of doing the real work needed to engage with Iran.
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Old 9th July 2019, 12:23 PM   #724
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Scratch a commie, find an antisemite.

Wow, that came totally unpredictably. I'm shocked!
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Old 10th July 2019, 08:00 AM   #725
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Trump Tweets

Iran has long been secretly “enriching,” in total violation of the terrible 150 Billion Dollar deal made by John Kerry and the Obama Administration. Remember, that deal was to expire in a short number of years. Sanctions will soon be increased, substantially!
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Old 10th July 2019, 03:17 PM   #726
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Iran has long been secretly “enriching,” in total violation of the terrible 150 Billion Dollar deal made by John Kerry and the Obama Administration. Remember, that deal was to expire in a short number of years. Sanctions will soon be increased, substantially!
Jerusalem Post's reaction to this tweet (with Reuters):
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While Iran was found to have had covert enrichment sites long before the nuclear accord, the 2015 deal imposed the most intrusive nuclear supervision on Iran of any country, and there has been no serious suggestion Iran is secretly enriching now in a way that would hint at an effort to develop a nuclear weapon.
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Trump's allegation about covert enrichment was met with derision by diplomats who follow the IAEA. "That tweet kills me," one diplomat at the meeting said in a sign of exasperation.
(link: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...ntially-595227)
Actually, in this conflict, perhaps the only person who might need to be "sanctioned" is Trump himself. Being the president of a powerful country doesn't give license to permanently behave like an imbecile.
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Old 10th July 2019, 07:36 PM   #727
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And in today's "Oh Jesus Christ!" Moment, I've just found out about this piece of brilliance:

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The Iranian regime took action today to increase its uranium enrichment. It was a mistake under the Iran nuclear deal to allow Iran to enrich uranium at any level. There is little doubt that even before the deal’s existence, Iran was violating its terms.
Who said it? Go on, guess.






Those Persian Bastards, violating a deal before it even existed!
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Old 10th July 2019, 07:46 PM   #728
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
And in today's "Oh Jesus Christ!" Moment, I've just found out about this piece of brilliance:



Who said it? Go on, guess.






Those Persian Bastards, violating a deal before it even existed!
This is one of the most illogical sentences I’ve ever read but to be expected from this White House.
There is little doubt that even before the deal’s existence, Iran was violating its terms.
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Old 12th July 2019, 11:10 AM   #729
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Hey, deals should be enforceable retroactively!
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Old 13th July 2019, 04:05 AM   #730
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You're telling me what the deal claims. I'm asking how the claim is enforced.

Also, there's a lot more to building a nuclear arsenal than just having the uranium.

How does the deal curb that stuff? How does it stop the Iranians from putting it all together? How does it stop the Iranians from ramping up enrichment whenever they want?

Remember, this deal was supposed to curb Iranian support for terrorism, which it completely failed to do. Why should we have faith in any of its other clauses?
Iranian support for proxy wars would be more accurate. It's a common way of expanding your regional influence these days.
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