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Old 8th July 2019, 12:16 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
The difference, as explained in the article, is that in the USA drug companies have far more power as they negotiate with several insurance companies and if you are not insured then you pay what the drug companies say you should pay. In many other countries, such as Canada and Australia the government negotiates with the drug company.

Hence the USA subsides the rest of the world for drugs. If the USA started the same system then the drug companies would not be able to afford to offer such prices to the rest of the world.
Of course they would. They're still making a profit with every deal, but those profits are minuscule next to the profits incurred in the USA.

They might become unwilling to invest as much into developing new drugs, but there are ways that could be financed - either research grants or all the other nations paying a little more for their drugs. Increasing the price by an average of 5% worldwide should go a long way indeed, plus some public money here and there.

There's no need for US to pay the cost of making rich people richer so a small portion of that money is reinvested into drug research.

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Old 8th July 2019, 03:21 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
Don't forget the marketing costs!
Of course those are far more than the piddly little development costs. And you are required by your stock holders to charge what people will pay.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...not-innovation

But it is fun to think that these are justified because otherwise there would be something wrong with capitalism.
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:25 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
How the hell do they manage to patent a hormone? !!!

The first article is short but has an awful lot of ads:
The incredible history of insulin, a lifesaving diabetes drug that was discovered almost a century ago and is now at the center of drug pricing outrage (Business Insider, April 11, 2019)
Why People with Diabetes Can't Buy Generic Insulin (Johns Hopkins, March 18, 2015)
Insulin drugmakers under scrutiny for pricing, patent practices (biopharmadive.com, Nov. 2, 2018)
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:38 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
And you missed the post of mine which explained your solution is one that has been tried and it failed, so offering it up again as a solution is not scientific skepticism.
Beforcopyright law, there was no gaming of copyrights. The person complained about copyrights. It solves their problem.
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Old 8th July 2019, 11:07 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Beforcopyright law, there was no gaming of copyrights. The person complained about copyrights. It solves their problem.
Nope, your scientific skepticism is lacking.
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Old 8th July 2019, 07:34 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Nope, your scientific skepticism is lacking.
How so?
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Old 9th July 2019, 12:48 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
How so?
You aren't applying it.
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Old 9th July 2019, 05:58 AM   #48
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In the same way that taking someoneís shoes away solves any complaints they may have had about their shoes. Itís true, in a Bob sort of way.

I still wish there was a good way to both reward innovation and allow access. Iíve sad often irl that Iíd be thrilled with a system that gets the medicine of ten or twenty years ago cheaply accessible to all. Let the new guys make whatever crazy bank on cutting edge meds. Have some incentive system that gets people to actually manufacture old generics for old generic prices. Let people get cheap MRIís on 20 year old machines read by students doing clinicals. IDK.
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Old 9th July 2019, 07:00 AM   #49
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In the same way that taking someoneís shoes away solves any complaints they may have had about their shoes. Itís true, in a Bob sort of way.
Exactly. This is even tighter than scientific skepticism as it relies on logic. If something does not exist, problems created by that existence do not exist.
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