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Old 4th July 2019, 02:58 PM   #1
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Nike pulls shoes feat. 1777 U.S. flag

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nike-be...ke-or-help-it/

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Nike's decision not to release its Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July shoe reportedly came in response to objections from Colin Kaepernick, a former NFL star and company endorser, who made headlines during his football career for kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
That's been news on the BBC web site. Funnily enough, before the BBC published a photo of this 'Betsy Ross' flag, I am sure most people who buy the latest Nike trainers had no idea the flag was in any way special.

Now there is great demand for this trainer, which is now being sold on EBay for >$1,500-.
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Old 4th July 2019, 03:13 PM   #3
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That's been news on the BBC web site. Funnily enough, before the BBC published a photo of this 'Betsy Ross' flag, I am sure most people who buy the latest Nike trainers had no idea the flag was in any way special.

Now there is great demand for this trainer, which is now being sold on EBay for >$1,500-.
I had never heard it called "the Betsy Ross flag". I had just heard it referred to as "the original US flag", or perhaps "the Revolutionary War flag".




When I heard this story, I assumed it was right wingers making up B.S. If Nike actually did what is being alleged, that would have to be so incredibly stupid that it is beyond belief. I was guessing it was just a case that they made a marketing decision based on demand, and a story grew up around it.


At least, that's what I hope.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I had never heard it called "the Betsy Ross flag". I had just heard it referred to as "the original US flag", or perhaps "the Revolutionary War flag".




When I heard this story, I assumed it was right wingers making up B.S. If Nike actually did what is being alleged, that would have to be so incredibly stupid that it is beyond belief. I was guessing it was just a case that they made a marketing decision based on demand, and a story grew up around it.


At least, that's what I hope.
It's what the BBC have been calling it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48840608

I'll wager Nike's designers had no idea it was controversial.
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Old 4th July 2019, 03:24 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It's what the BBC have been calling it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48840608

I'll wager Nike's designers had no idea it was controversial.
It seems to be the description today. In all the media buzz about it this week I've heard it called "the Betsy Ross flag", but I had never heard that name before this week.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It seems to be the description today. In all the media buzz about it this week I've heard it called "the Betsy Ross flag", but I had never heard that name before this week.
Me neither.
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I can say I've never heard it referred to as "the slavery flag"
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I'll wager Nike's designers had no idea it was controversial.

I don't think it was controversial, Nike deferred to the concerns of their endorser, Kaepernick. I'm not entirely sure what Kaepernick said, but I haven't seen him claim it was controversial. He said he found it to be a reminder of slave times and thought others would as far as I know.
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I don't think it was controversial, Nike deferred to the concerns of their endorser, Kaepernick. I'm not entirely sure what Kaepernick said, but I haven't seen him claim it was controversial. He said he found it to be a reminder of slave times and thought others would as far as I know.
"You know the people who buy special edition Jordans are especially sensitive to references to racism, right?"

"Our market research shows that the main customer base for these shoes doesn't really see the Ross flag that way."

"They will once I start talking about it."

"That's literally the opposite of what our endorsers are supposed to do."

"So what? Are you going to fire me? Over this? Good luck selling an over-priced fashion statement to your main customer base ever again."

"... We'll pull the shoe."

"That's what I thought."

I'm pretty sure Nike is counting the days until Kaepernick is no longer relevant, and they can drop his contract.
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There were two points raised, one that the flag was a reminder of slave times, and the other that some right-wing racist groups have started using it as a rallying symbol. I don't know if the latter claim is true, and if it is, should those groups be allowed to change its meaning for their own purposes?
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Now all those Asian kids who make the shoes will have to work extra shifts to make replacement shoes. /jk

I just kinda see it as a waste of resources. The shoes were already made and shipped to stores apparently. I wonder what they'll do with them?
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There were two points raised, one that the flag was a reminder of slave times, and the other that some right-wing racist groups have started using it as a rallying symbol. I don't know if the latter claim is true, and if it is, should those groups be allowed to change its meaning for their own purposes?
On the second point, my answer is no. It's like the OK hand sign.

The flag is just the original version of the flag we have today.
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Obama flew two of them at his second inaugural.
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I first heard this on the radio a few days ago and assumed they must be talking about the confederate flag.

To which I thought, pretty stupid of them to design it these days.

Then I saw it was just the original flag on TV

To which I thought, pretty stupid of them to ditch it

Of all the things that seem to trigger the sensitive SJWs this seems to be vying for the most dumb award
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This is insane.

I cannot believe that a company would go along with this idiocy. Well, I guess I have to believe it. People seem to think it really happened. I'm appalled.
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There were two points raised, one that the flag was a reminder of slave times, and the other that some right-wing racist groups have started using it as a rallying symbol. I don't know if the latter claim is true, and if it is, should those groups be allowed to change its meaning for their own purposes?
If right wing racist groups decide to using bald eagle images as a rallying symbol for a laugh are they going to ban them?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Obama flew two of them at his second inaugural.
True.

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Even worse than the flags, look who he's standing next to!!!
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I'm having trouble coming up with the words to express this thought precisely, but here goes...…

Sticking the American flag, including some historical variant on it, onto a pair of shoes is a cynical marketing ploy to begin with. Subsequently pulling the shoes when they heard that some might be offended by it shows a couple of things. First, that they do not understand their audience very well. The idea that this is a racist symbol or that it is offensive because some idiots use it is idiotic, and giving in to that idiocy will anger far more people than would have been offended by the shoes. However, at least it demonstrates that Nike is not in the least interested in patriotism, liberty, or American values. They just wanted to sell shoes. They ended up losing money, both immediately and in the long run through loss of good will because they were attempting to exploit a symbol that they clearly did not understand in the first place.
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I'll stop buying Nike. Oh wait, I don't already because it's just expensive.

They do irritate me because they take up most things in most stores, and I had a heck of a time finding real leather sandals, as apparently Nike "fine petroleum products" (as SNL once said) are worth row after row.
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Even worse than the flags, look who he's standing next to!!! : eek :
The whole thing is probably a stealth play by Kamala Harris to discredit Joe Biden.
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I'm having trouble coming up with the words to express this thought precisely, but here goes...…

Sticking the American flag, including some historical variant on it, onto a pair of shoes is a cynical marketing ploy to begin with. Subsequently pulling the shoes when they heard that some might be offended by it shows a couple of things. First, that they do not understand their audience very well. The idea that this is a racist symbol or that it is offensive because some idiots use it is idiotic, and giving in to that idiocy will anger far more people than would have been offended by the shoes. However, at least it demonstrates that Nike is not in the least interested in patriotism, liberty, or American values. They just wanted to sell shoes. They ended up losing money, both immediately and in the long run through loss of good will because they were attempting to exploit a symbol that they clearly did not understand in the first place.
They wanted to sell shoes?

My god man. I think you have struck their secret plan.

Thank you for finally revealing their motives
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They wanted to sell shoes?

My god man. I think you have struck their secret plan.

Thank you for finally revealing their motives
Well, I said that I was having trouble trying to express my thoughts.


It was a commercial decision to put the flag on the shoes. It was a commercial decision to remove the shoes from the shelves. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. What I like, though, is that Nike has managed to get people to pay more than their shoes are worth by successful marketing, especially associations with famous athletes. I'm glad to see that they were unsuccessful when they tried to sell expensive shoes by association with patriotism, and in the course of doing so, they stumbled all over themselves and made themselves look like fools. I hope it impacts their sales. I would prefer to see shoes sold based on their functional characteristics, as opposed to emotion laden marketing or association with celebrities.
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Well, I said that I was having trouble trying to express my thoughts.





It was a commercial decision to put the flag on the shoes. It was a commercial decision to remove the shoes from the shelves. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. What I like, though, is that Nike has managed to get people to pay more than their shoes are worth by successful marketing, especially associations with famous athletes. I'm glad to see that they were unsuccessful when they tried to sell expensive shoes by association with patriotism, and in the course of doing so, they stumbled all over themselves and made themselves look like fools. I hope it impacts their sales. I would prefer to see shoes sold based on their functional characteristics, as opposed to emotion laden marketing or association with celebrities.
Lol

Sorry mate

Didn't mean it to come across so sarcy

Lol
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Right on cue, MSNBC finds someone to compare the Betsy Ross flag to the swastika or a burning cross.

I'm sure my ultra-liberal dad would be horrified to hear that; he proudly flew one with the 13 stars and 1776 in the middle of them.
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Well, I said that I was having trouble trying to express my thoughts.





It was a commercial decision to put the flag on the shoes. It was a commercial decision to remove the shoes from the shelves. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. What I like, though, is that Nike has managed to get people to pay more than their shoes are worth by successful marketing, especially associations with famous athletes. I'm glad to see that they were unsuccessful when they tried to sell expensive shoes by association with patriotism, and in the course of doing so, they stumbled all over themselves and made themselves look like fools. I hope it impacts their sales. I would prefer to see shoes sold based on their functional characteristics, as opposed to emotion laden marketing or association with celebrities.
I'm not sure people are actually paying more than the shoes are worth. I know I called Air Jordans overpriced upthread, but my actual opinion is that Nike mostly delivers what you pay for. If you want high quality athletic equipment, Nike is worth the price. And, if you want premier lifestyle accessories for your feet... Nike is worth the price.

And even the lifestyle accessory product lines are still quality products.
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1. Old US flag to be put on a shoe by shoe company - Meh!

2. Shoe pulled from sale because someone complained it was a racist symbol - Meh!

3 - Conservatives pearl-clutching over 1 and 2 above - Meh2!

It must be a ******* slow news day if this is even in the news, let alone a headline!!!


PS: It won't even cause the slightest bump in Nike's bottom line.
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1. Old US flag to be put on a shoe by shoe company - Meh!

2. Shoe pulled from sale because someone complained it was a racist symbol - Meh!

3 - Conservatives pearl-clutching over 1 and 2 above - Meh2!

It must be a ******* slow news day if this is even in the news, let alone a headline!!!


PS: It won't even cause the slightest bump in Nike's bottom line.
Probably not, but it shows the pressure a bunch of hand wringing, lefty, triggered types can have on normal everyday **** when they get their pitch forks out over nothing.

But tis the modern world we live in.
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Actually it was probably all down to male privilege and rape culture.
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On the second point, my answer is no. It's like the OK hand sign.
The OK hand sign which was used as a white supremacist gesture long before it was made into a joke on 4-chan?
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I'm appalled.
Why? Had you set your mind to buying those shoes? I'm sure NIKE can provide an adequate alternative.
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They wanted to sell shoes?

My god man. I think you have struck their secret plan.

Thank you for finally revealing their motives
Nike is actually just a licence. Pay 'em the licence fee and you, too can use the symbol on your product.
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Nike is actually just a licence. Pay 'em the licence fee and you, too can use the symbol on your product.
Nope. That's not Nike's business model at all.
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Now all those Asian kids who make the shoes will have to work extra shifts to make replacement shoes. /jk

I just kinda see it as a waste of resources. The shoes were already made and shipped to stores apparently. I wonder what they'll do with them?
Release it with a pack of stick on stars and then everyone can be happy!
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This is insane.
Agreed. Political Correctness gone amok.
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Old 5th July 2019, 07:42 AM   #36
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Without a sneakerhead here, this conversation would be missing expertise on the subject.
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Old 5th July 2019, 07:48 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Right on cue, MSNBC finds someone to compare the Betsy Ross flag to the swastika or a burning cross.
Sometimes the PC Left are unfairly painted as liberal bogeymen. This is not one of those times. That was completely off the rails. Michael Eric Dyson - you are a moron.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I would prefer to see shoes sold based on their functional characteristics, as opposed to emotion laden marketing or association with celebrities.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It seems to be the description today. In all the media buzz about it this week I've heard it called "the Betsy Ross flag", but I had never heard that name before this week.
I doubt 12,500,000 google results for "Betsy Ross Flag" were created in the last 5 or 6 days.
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Why don't they protest Shoes with Swastikas on them .. there's hundreds of examples of them.
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