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Old 5th July 2019, 08:43 AM   #41
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The shoes are ugly. They should be pulled. The end.
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Old 5th July 2019, 08:47 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The shoes are ugly. They should be pulled.
I don't like the look of them, but controlled demolition using explosives seems a little excessive.

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Old 5th July 2019, 08:48 AM   #43
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If ya want to al historical about it.
1."Betsy Ross flag" {socalled} is adopted as the nation's flag.
2. Former British colonies then became states, which then adopted flags and constitutions. Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, forbade slavery in their constitutional documents.
3. From that point on every northern state did also, a major factor in ending slavery.
So isn't the Betsy Ross flag really the flag that helped usher in the end of slavery?
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Old 5th July 2019, 11:06 AM   #45
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I believe the main thrust of the argument against Nike using the 'Betsy Ross' flag was the alleged use by white nationalist of it as a symbol
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If it is, that's even more obscure than the "ok sign" trolling. It sounds ridiculous to me, but maybe they just want to avoid their shoes being the next Fred Perry polo shirt.
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Old 5th July 2019, 11:45 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Sometimes the PC Left are unfairly painted as liberal bogeymen. This is not one of those times. That was completely off the rails. Michael Eric Dyson - you are a moron.
I must agree.

When I heard the right wing radio yappers talking about this story I fully expected to find out it was wild rumors and exaggeration. I could not believe that a shoe company would manufacture shoes, and then yank them because the American flag was a racist symbol. I figured I would see a Snopes article or something saying what the real story was.

Well, it appears this really was the real story. Unreal.
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Old 5th July 2019, 11:50 AM   #48
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Is it too cynical to suspect that Nike orchestrated this whole fiasco?

Kaepernick is a Nike spokesperson after all. And controversy sells. Which is what Nike was going for when they hired Kaepernick anyway (IMO). This seems like it could be just getting some extra mileage from the same ad campaign. We’re all sitting here talking about Nike shoes for some reason.
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
We’re all sitting here talking about Nike shoes for some reason.
Don't much care about the shoes (I have a few, they're okay) but I do think we should question whether the 1777 flag deserves to be seen as taboo.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Don't much care about the shoes (I have a few, they're okay) but I do think we
should question whether the 1777 flag deserves to be seen as taboo.
Sort of falls under paralysis by analysis to me.
We could split hairs over whether a flag being made from nylon celebrates sweatshop labor or whether one made from cotton celebrates slavery. Because nothing is perfect, we can spend any amount of time we wish pointing out inconsistencies or criticizing just about any symbol or movement throughout history. Where does it get us?

I get that a swastika flag is purposefully inflammatory and understand condemnation of its display, but where does it end? People are never happy. They just like to bitch.
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Old 5th July 2019, 12:21 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Sort of falls under paralysis by analysis to me.
If you aren't committed to setting out criteria first, sure. I really don't think it's too much to ask that people come up with some sort of general approach instead of just doing ad hockery on whatever they find objectionable at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I don't like the look of them, but controlled demolition using explosives seems a little excessive.
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Old 5th July 2019, 12:42 PM   #53
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If your flag has been stolen by racists, it's time to steal it back, not cave in.
Yeah, if we had allowed white supremacists to claim the Union Flag, what would we put on all the tourist tat?!

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The OK hand sign which was used as a white supremacist gesture long before it was made into a joke on 4-chan?
Do you have any evidence for this?
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Probably not, but it shows the pressure a bunch of hand wringing, lefty, triggered types can have on normal everyday **** when they get their pitch forks out over nothing.

But tis the modern world we live in.
"Lefties" had nothing to do with it!
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
The OK hand sign which was used as a white supremacist gesture long before it was made into a joke on 4-chan?

Err, no

Here is the original 4Chan post that started it



There are no web archives that I can find showing an association between the "OK" sign and white supremacy prior to 2017
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Originally Posted by kedo1981 View Post
If ya want to al historical about it.
1."Betsy Ross flag" {socalled} is adopted as the nation's flag.
2. Former British colonies then became states, which then adopted flags and constitutions. Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, forbade slavery in their constitutional documents.
3. From that point on every northern state did also, a major factor in ending slavery.
So isn't the Betsy Ross flag really the flag that helped usher in the end of slavery?
Delaware?



But other than that, yeah.
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Delaware?
[Delaware] was a slave state that fought beside the North. ... That's only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way.
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[Delaware] was a slave state that fought beside the North. ... That's only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way.
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She wore some brand new Nikes

She wore some brand new Nikes

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Several sources have quoted the anti-defamation league as saying they don't view the Betsy Ross flag as having been appropriated by any hate group. They view it as an appropriate symbol of patriotism.

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Nope. That's not Nike's business model at all.
Nike does not manufacture anything:

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NIKE Focus On Contract Manufacturing
NIKE doesn’t own any manufacturing site and produces all its products through independent contractors. All footwear and apparel products are manufactured outside the United States, while equipment products are produced both in the United States and abroad. This strategy has helped NIKE improve its profit margins, reduce inventories, minimize price markdowns, and ensure that the customer receives the right product assortment on time.
In other words, it tenders for approved suppliers making them pay a licence fee for using the Nike logo and of course having to come up to approved standards.

At least Coca-Cola owns its brown sugary liquid producing factories in South America.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Nike does not manufacture anything:



In other words, it tenders for approved suppliers making them pay a licence fee for using the Nike logo and of course having to come up to approved standards.

At least Coca-Cola owns its brown sugary liquid producing factories in South America.
That doesn't seem to fit what your quote says. Those are different models.


What you are describing is that a shoe manufacturer makes a shoe design, but wants to sell them as Nike brand. They contact Nike, and if Nike finds them acceptable, the manufacturer pays a fee to Nike and puts a swoosh on them.

In the "contract manufacturing" model, Nike comes up with a shoe design. It then contacts manufacturers and asks them how much it will cost to have a bunch of those shoes made. Nike pays a fee to the manufacturer, and the manufacturer gives them shoes.

There's a lot of overlap, I admit. In either case, Nike doesn't own the factory, Nike decides who can make the shoes, and everyone involved passes money around and makes a profit, but exactly where decisions are made, and who pays whom for what, is different in the two models.
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That doesn't seem to fit what your quote says. Those are different models.





What you are describing is that a shoe manufacturer makes a shoe design, but wants to sell them as Nike brand. They contact Nike, and if Nike finds them acceptable, the manufacturer pays a fee to Nike and puts a swoosh on them.



In the "contract manufacturing" model, Nike comes up with a shoe design. It then contacts manufacturers and asks them how much it will cost to have a bunch of those shoes made. Nike pays a fee to the manufacturer, and the manufacturer gives them shoes.



There's a lot of overlap, I admit. In either case, Nike doesn't own the factory, Nike decides who can make the shoes, and everyone involved passes money around and makes a profit, but exactly where decisions are made, and who pays whom for what, is different in the two models.
This.

Nike pays factories to make Nike designs to Nike specifications, to be sold by Nike retailers under the Nike brand, with profits going to Nike.

Nike does enter into co branding arrangements. But as far as I know, there's simply no way for you to pay Nike a license fee to put their brand on your product.

Nike's whole business strategy seems to be exactly opposite to the kind of sell out that Vixen describes.

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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
That doesn't seem to fit what your quote says. Those are different models.


What you are describing is that a shoe manufacturer makes a shoe design, but wants to sell them as Nike brand. They contact Nike, and if Nike finds them acceptable, the manufacturer pays a fee to Nike and puts a swoosh on them.

In the "contract manufacturing" model, Nike comes up with a shoe design. It then contacts manufacturers and asks them how much it will cost to have a bunch of those shoes made. Nike pays a fee to the manufacturer, and the manufacturer gives them shoes.

There's a lot of overlap, I admit. In either case, Nike doesn't own the factory, Nike decides who can make the shoes, and everyone involved passes money around and makes a profit, but exactly where decisions are made, and who pays whom for what, is different in the two models.
How is that different from MacDonald's or KFC offering franchises to bear its name?

I am a business postgrad and Nike was always cited as an example of a company that is little more than its logo. It is a brand and nothing more.
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How is that different from MacDonald's or KFC offering franchises to bear its name?



I am a business postgrad and Nike was always cited as an example of a company that is little more than its logo. It is a brand and nothing more.
This is a pretty withering indictment of the business postgrad industry, if true.
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This is a pretty withering indictment of the business postgrad industry, if true.
Nike is a logo. Full stop.

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According to Nike, Innovation is at the heart of Nike’s business growth strategy and it uses this innovation in
order to become more sustainable company and to keep up with the competition and customer demands
(nikeandunderarmour.com, 2015).
The second strategy is Nike’s premium pricing strategy (Best cost provider strategy) which targets the
customers who develop a special kind of intimacy with the product that ultimately leads to the development of
loyalty. Since the loyalty has been established between the company and consumers; Nike takes the advantage
to associate their consumers with their price. Therefore, Nike knows that consumers will be ready to pay for the
product that bears the Nike Logo
(sales-management-slides.com, 2007).
At the same time, Nike pays a noticeable concern towards a broad differentiation strategy. Based on that
strategy, Nike produces its products for athletics in three ways. Firstly, it manufactures for three different
segments of people: men, women and children. Secondly, differentiates its products by offering a variety of
accessories and apparels like shoes, gym bags, gloves and skates. Thirdly, Nike has the licensees to
manufacture and sell Nike brand products
aside from athletic products like school supplies, electronic media
devices and timepieces (Dermesropia et al., 2004).
http://www.ijbmer.com/docs/volumes/v...2015060302.pdf


When all is said and done it is a logo.
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Nike is a logo. Full stop.

http://www.ijbmer.com/docs/volumes/v...2015060302.pdf


When all is said and done it is a logo.
There's also a physical product that people actually buy and put on their bodies.
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Sometimes the PC Left are unfairly painted as liberal bogeymen. This is not one of those times. That was completely off the rails. Michael Eric Dyson - you are a moron.
This is stupider than the ok hand signal and I thought nothing could be stupider from the "woke" left than that
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There's also a physical product that people actually buy and put on their bodies.
If that same product does not have the logo - which is all Nike is - the apparel would be significantly cheaper.

Nike is nothing more than a logo.
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If that same product does not have the logo - which is all Nike is - the apparel would be significantly cheaper.



Nike is nothing more than a logo.
Changing horses midstream is a good way to drown.
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I wonder what they'll do with [all of the unsold shoes]
Send them to Africa?

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How is that different from MacDonald's or KFC offering franchises to bear its name?
How is contract manufacturing different from fast food franchises? Are you serious? Maybe you could ask a ....



Originally Posted by Vixen View Post

I am a business postgrad
Lol. Never mind.
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Actually it was probably all down to male privilege and rape culture.
Dumm Libruls, amirite?

If it comes down to privilege and rape culture, they need to be sane not-frothing-at-the-mouth conservatives who would never do such a thing.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...keurig-boycott

Not to mention the demonstrations burning Dixie Chicks CDs, the Cracker Barrel and Chick-Fil-A campaigns. But, yeah, a progressive or lefty objection gets some traction and it's the end of civilization as we know it.

You lot are so predictable.
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Dumm Libruls, amirite?

If it comes down to privilege and rape culture, they need to be sane not-frothing-at-the-mouth conservatives who would never do such a thing.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...keurig-boycott

Not to mention the demonstrations burning Dixie Chicks CDs, the Cracker Barrel and Chick-Fil-A campaigns. But, yeah, a progressive or lefty objection gets some traction and it's the end of civilization as we know it.

You lot are so predictable.
The post was a joke

Next time I will put in flashing signals
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I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
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Old 5th July 2019, 10:04 PM   #76
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Lefties get triggered lots because they are fragile


Righties are all racist

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I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
How is that different from MacDonald's or KFC offering franchises to bear its name?

I am a business postgrad and Nike was always cited as an example of a company that is little more than its logo. It is a brand and nothing more.
You didn't pay much attention in class, then. Nike designs their products. They don't just buy a container of Fruit of the Loom and replace the logos. Nike supports a half-billion a year in R&D. When they want a new shoe, they design it. They then give it to CMs (contract manufacturers) who produce their product to their specifications. The other model, the one you're confusing with Nike's is OEM (original equipment manufacturing) which is when the manufacturer designs and makes the product and then sells it to marketing or retail companies who put their logo on it. (Think steam irons or blenders... if you look at some of them from the 90s and 00s, they are the same machine/product but with a logo changed from Sunbeam to Salton to Black & Decker...)

I handled the supply chain for many such companies for quite a few years. When Nike was launching a new shoe, the team from R&D in Seattle worked with the pro whose name was going on it for a year, then brought the designs to Asia to hand over to their CMs, with instructions as to where to source the materials for the shoe! Nike is not just a logo.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
The post was a joke

Next time I will put in flashing signals
I know you thought it was a joke. Do you know the expression "Poe"?

See, you made a funny. Ha ha, sarcasm. Libruls always cry about the patriarchy and rape culture and male privilege. That was sure some thigh slapper there. Me and Sparky down to the Bait 'n Lube loves us some makin' fun of libruls. Haw haw!

Then... I made a funny, showing an article where Hannity's troglodyte fanz were actually destroying Keurig products because their poor little snowflake bubbles couldn't stand the fact that Keurig was pulling ads from Trump's court jester's show because he supported a bigoted cretin who'd been accused of molesting under-aged girls. Why, me and Sparky ain't takin' that! What's this country comin' to when a good god-fearing judge can't grab a little teenaged nookie now and then. Hell, boy, this country was founded on grabbing sugar drawers whenever ya git a chance.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Like this

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PaleCooper...restricted.gif

Lefties get triggered lots because they are fragile


Righties are all racist

Ha Ha...Ha Ha ....Ha Ha (think Lord Flasheart)
So the answer is, "No, I don't know what a Poe is."

Thanks for confirming that.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I know you thought it was a joke. Do you know the expression "Poe"?

See, you made a funny. Ha ha, sarcasm. Libruls always cry about the patriarchy and rape culture and male privilege. That was sure some thigh slapper there. Me and Sparky down to the Bait 'n Lube loves us some makin' fun of libruls. Haw haw!

Then... I made a funny, showing an article where Hannity's troglodyte fanz were actually destroying Keurig products because their poor little snowflake bubbles couldn't stand the fact that Keurig was pulling ads from Trump's court jester's show because he supported a bigoted cretin who'd been accused of molesting under-aged girls. Why, me and Sparky ain't takin' that! What's this country comin' to when a good god-fearing judge can't grab a little teenaged nookie now and then. Hell, boy, this country was founded on grabbing sugar drawers whenever ya git a chance.
I am surprised it took you so long to get Trump into the conversation
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