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Old 11th July 2019, 04:08 AM   #1
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"Tommy Robinson" jailed for contempt of court

BBC News: Tommy Robinson jailed for contempt of court

"Tommy Robinson has been jailed for nine months over contempt of court.

The ex-English Defence League leader was found guilty last week of interfering with the trial of a sexual grooming gang at Leeds Crown Court in May 2018.

Two Old Bailey judges said his Facebook Live video of defendants in the trial had encouraged "vigilante action".

Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, called the sentence an "absolute joke".

In his Telegram account, Robinson said: "Sentenced to prison for journalism. Time for protests to start."




Outside the London court, Robinson's supporters booed as news of his sentence reached them.

The crowd marched towards the Old Bailey chanting "we want Tommy out" before some began pelting police with bottles and cans.

Reporting restrictions had been put in place postponing the publication of any details of the 2018 case at Leeds Crown Court until the end of a series of linked trials involving 29 defendants.

Robinson broadcast footage from outside the court on 25 May 2018, while the jury in the second trial of the series was considering its verdict.

The video lasted an hour-and-a-half and was viewed online 250,000 times, after being live-streamed on Facebook.

He was originally jailed for 13 months on the day of the broadcast, but was released two months into his sentence after winning an appeal.

The case was then referred back to Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, who announced in March this year that it was in the public interest to bring fresh proceedings.

At the Old Bailey on Thursday, Dame Victoria Sharp told Robinson that the time he previously spent behind bars for the contempt would be taken into account, reducing his sentence to 19 weeks - of which he will serve half before being released."
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Old 11th July 2019, 04:27 AM   #2
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IIRC, hardened crims don't like rock-spiders or people who enable them. Tommy is going to lose his swagger pretty quickly.
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Old 11th July 2019, 08:12 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
IIRC, hardened crims don't like rock-spiders or people who enable them. Tommy is going to lose his swagger pretty quickly.
Huh? He was interfering with a trial into a gang of “rock spiders” by filming it, not one himself.
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Rather light sentence.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Huh? He was interfering with a trial into a gang of “rock spiders” by filming it, not one himself.
It could be viewed that he was enabling them by putting their trial at risk (I don’t think it will be, but it’s conceivable).
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One hopes a prison sentence will give this man a chance to reflect on his behaviour and attitude and change them.

Unfortunately, it'll probably only encourage and harden him. After all, he thrives on publicity.

Nobody believes for a minute he cares a darn about 'little English girls being raped'.

What is the best way to deal with a hate-crime stirrer?
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Old 11th July 2019, 12:35 PM   #8
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Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, called the sentence an "absolute joke".
It is - he should be treated exactly the same as other terrorists: not allowed contact with other prisoners, no communication, and be kept in until authorities are 100% satisfied he won't re-offend.

Since none of that's going to happen, and in line with Yaxley-Lennon's desire to be classed as a political refugee, I am petitioning NZ's Minister for Immigration today to gain him residency for asylum here.

I'm a completely anti-violence, but Yaxley-Lennon is so foul I'd pay to see him dropped off a Mongrel Mob pad.
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What is it he and his ilk usually say about people who can't follow the laws of the country they are in?
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
It could be viewed that he was enabling them by putting their trial at risk (I don’t think it will be, but it’s conceivable).
The judge thought that was the case, enough to jail the bastard for 19 weeks.
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The judge thought that was the case, enough to jail the bastard for 19 weeks.
The judge thought he was jeopardising the case, yes. Whether he viewed that as enabling paedophiles is a different matter on which I’d be surprised if he expressed a view.
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The judgment (with link to the decision on penalty):

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC...2019/1791.html
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"Tommy Robinson" is so blatantly controlled opposition and a provocateur.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
"Tommy Robinson" is so blatantly controlled opposition and a provocateur.

Conspiracy Theory Section This Way........
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Rather light sentence.
I am unfamiliar with British Law, but it seems similar to what a contempt of court offense would earn you in the US.
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I am unfamiliar with British Law, but it seems similar to what a contempt of court offense would earn you in the US.
The way people are talking about it here, in the commonwealth it's terrorism and pedophile conspiracy.
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I don't want to disturb the two minutes of hate, but I still would recommend to ... see sig. Here's an interview with "Tommy" that Martin Sellner's wife (married some days ago) did with him in Vienna a good year ago (the intent to do it in the UK got her banned from entering the country before). I don't really agree with their politics but the way they are treated - non-violent dissidents after all - says a lot about our societies, especially the "British" one. You know that he got that for Brits unusually nice teeth after an Islamist prison gang removed the natural one?

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Tommy went on Facebook and twitter pleading with the USA to give him Political Asylum.
Did he forget that he got sent to jail for using a false passport to visit the USA after he was refused entry because of his various convictions for assault, fraud and drug offences?
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He'll serve 2 and half months because time served cuts it to 19 weeks, and he has to serve half of that. Still seems a bit on the excessive side for his actions, but apparently his previous convictions played against him on that count.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Tommy went on Facebook and twitter pleading with the USA to give him Political Asylum.
Did he forget that he got sent to jail for using a false passport to visit the USA after he was refused entry because of his various convictions for assault, fraud and drug offences?


You should take this a bit more seriously, sailor. If "Tommy" gets murdered in prison this time, which is not unlikely given the story told in the video I've posted, your regime will have created a martyr in your country that will cause a backlash you can't even imagine.
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Tommy went on Facebook and twitter pleading with the USA to give him Political Asylum.
Did he forget that he got sent to jail for using a false passport to visit the USA after he was refused entry because of his various convictions for assault, fraud and drug offences?
I'd suggest deporting him to Pakistan, or Iran, or Saudi.
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- non-violent dissidents after all -
Srsly?

Yaxley-Lennon is a football hooligan who decided to carve himself a niche among other pieces of human excrement and is non-violent in the same way that tigers are vegan.
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I'm starting to get an idea of the commonwealth scale of evil:

football hooligans < kiddie diddlers < football hooligans who report on the trials of kiddie diddlers
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Srsly?

Yaxley-Lennon is a football hooligan who decided to carve himself a niche among other pieces of human excrement and is non-violent in the same way that tigers are vegan.

You better watch that video I've posted instead of spamming wikipedia junk. Try to put the paragraph you posted into context of the whole issue. You are clueless. "Tommy" being a guy with a rather simple minded focus, but a focus his early life brought to him, against the full machine of a society that is much worse than he thought it is, and much worse than you can even imagine until you allow yourself to sink into that information space you arrogantly believe you know to be an imagination .
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I'm starting to get an idea of the commonwealth scale of evil:
Nope - you've read the idiot's guide to it.

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You better watch that video I've posted instead of spamming wikipedia junk.
Way to display your agenda - it's not "Wikipedia junk", it's an accurate record of Yaxley-Lennon's convictions for violence. This stuff is on the public record, and trying to dismiss it as junk is absurd.

Here's a more complete list of his convictions:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

The bloke is a revolting, lying, fraudulent, violent, piece of filth. Defending him says a lot about you, and I'd rather wash my eyeballs in acid than watch 40 minutes of him lying and appealing to idiots to support him in his racist movement.

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"Tommy" being a guy with a rather simple minded focus, but a focus his early life brought to him, against the full machine of a society that is much worse than he thought it is, and much worse than you can even imagine until you allow yourself to sink into that information space you arrogantly believe you know to be an imagination .
How silly of me. I need to understand that his fight against the "machine" caused him to start football riots and bash women in the face.

Mea culpa.
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The judge thought he was jeopardising the case, yes. Whether he viewed that as enabling paedophiles is a different matter on which I’d be surprised if he expressed a view.
The case was about pedophilia. Robinson's repeat actions, in blatant defiance of a legal ruling not to do so, could be reasonably construed as trying to support a potential pedophile in a court case by disrupting the legal process leading to a mistrial.

I rather doubt he would behave like this if he was violently opposed to pedophilia - he would have shut up and let the accused get convicted (assuming guilt, of course).

So the conclusion you can reasonably draw is that he supports the accused's position on pedophilia. That is, an enabler.
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I'm starting to get an idea of the commonwealth scale of evil:

football hooligans < kiddie diddlers < football hooligans who report on the trials of kiddie diddlers
You are better than this. I hope.
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The case was about pedophilia. Robinson's repeat actions, in blatant defiance of a legal ruling not to do so, could be reasonably construed as trying to support a potential pedophile in a court case by disrupting the legal process leading to a mistrial.

I rather doubt he would behave like this if he was violently opposed to pedophilia - he would have shut up and let the accused get convicted (assuming guilt, of course).

So the conclusion you can reasonably draw is that he supports the accused's position on pedophilia. That is, an enabler.
This is a majorly long bow to draw, and totally in opposition to what the court found.

I suggest you read the ruling posted above.

Here are some highlights for you....

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(3) He related the alleged offending to wider patterns of offending (other instances of large-scale child exploitation in northern cities and across the country); he suggested this conduct had largely occurred without prosecution; he referred in derogatory terms to the ethnic and religious backgrounds and associations of the criminal defendants; he gave graphic and disturbing examples of other historic sexual offences committed by Muslim men; and suggested that 'sexual slaves' are permitted, if not encouraged, by Islam as a religion.
(4) The respondent spoke in terms that can have left viewers in no doubt that he believed the defendants ought to be convicted.
(5) He confronted a number of the defendants, and a person he wrongly believed to be a defendant, as they arrived at court, following them as far as he could without stepping onto court property, filming them openly (so that, in most cases, their faces were visible) and questioning them in provocative and aggressive terms. The defendants accosted in this way included the ones we have named above, and another defendant who hid his face and cannot be identified.
(6) When some of the individuals responded with abuse, the respondent commented that their chosen terms of abuse had all been sexual and abusive and suggested this was significant.
(7) At one point he addressed other defendants, yet to arrive at Court, telling them that they would "be live to 7,000 in a minute" and that "by the end of the day hopefully millions of people have seen the faces of these alleged offenders";
(8) At another point, the respondent incited viewers to harass the criminal defendants. The words relied on are:-
"You want to harass someone's family? You see that man who was getting aggressive as he walked into court, the man who faces charges of child abduction, rape, prostitution – harass him, find him, go knock on his door, follow him, see where he works, see what he's doing. You want to stick pictures online and call people and slander people, how about you do it about them?"
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  1. The contempts we have found proved were not ones of deliberate defiance; there was no intention to interfere with the administration of justice, and, in the event, neither the Akhtar trial or the trial that followed, were prejudiced. Nevertheless, the respondent's conduct amounted to a serious contempt. It consisted of the reckless disobedience of an important court order imposed to protect the integrity of the Akhtar trial and subsequent trials, and of conduct which created a substantial risk of a serious impediment to the integrity of the trial process.
  2. An aggravating feature is the respondent's previous offending, including but not limited to an earlier contempt committed at Canterbury. He has 11 convictions, including for offences of violence, public order offences, disobedience to court orders, and fraud. On 22 May 2017 he received a suspended committal order from the Crown Court at Canterbury, in the circumstances described in our judgment.
You really think this sounds like someone trying to enable pedophilia?
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Can we stop calling him "Tommy Robinson"? Because that's not his name.

Same thing as some of you "skeptics" refusing to call transgender folk their prefered pronoun.

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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Can we stop calling him "Tommy Robinson"? Because that's not his name.



Same thing as some of you "skeptics" refusing to call transgender folk their prefered pronoun.



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It's pretty much the opposite.

"Tommy Robinson" is his preferred name.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
The case was about pedophilia. Robinson's repeat actions, in blatant defiance of a legal ruling not to do so, could be reasonably construed as trying to support a potential pedophile in a court case by disrupting the legal process leading to a mistrial.



I rather doubt he would behave like this if he was violently opposed to pedophilia - he would have shut up and let the accused get convicted (assuming guilt, of course).



So the conclusion you can reasonably draw is that he supports the accused's position on pedophilia. That is, an enabler.
No. What was shown is that he didn't give a damn about justice if he could use the trial to gain publicity for himself.
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It's pretty much the opposite.

"Tommy Robinson" is his preferred name.
If we are not going to call transgender people their preferred pronouns, then we will not call Wankstain Yaxley-Lennon his preferred name.


It's only fair.
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Can we stop calling him "Tommy Robinson"? Because that's not his name.
I agree with that, and as you'll note, I have been using his legal name.
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Old 12th July 2019, 01:15 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I don't want to disturb the two minutes of hate, but I still would recommend to ... see sig. Here's an interview with "Tommy" that Martin Sellner's wife (married some days ago) did with him in Vienna a good year ago (the intent to do it in the UK got her banned from entering the country before). I don't really agree with their politics but the way they are treated - non-violent dissidents after all -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...football-match
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Old 12th July 2019, 01:18 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
If we are not going to call transgender people their preferred pronouns, then we will not call Wankstain Yaxley-Lennon his preferred name.


It's only fair.
Maybe I've missed a whole meeting or something, but I'm quite happy to refer to transgender people by their preferred pronoun. Can't say I really care in the slightest.

Generally happy to use people's chosen names as well. It grates a little with Tommy Robinson, because he is clearly such a tool, but c'est la vie.
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Old 12th July 2019, 02:06 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post


You should take this a bit more seriously, sailor. If "Tommy" gets murdered in prison this time, which is not unlikely given the story told in the video I've posted, your regime will have created a martyr in your country that will cause a backlash you can't even imagine.
haha you are funny.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
haha you are funny.

And correct. We've been there, haven't we?
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Old 12th July 2019, 02:13 AM   #38
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We can just refer to him as Tommy Robinson, asylum-seeker.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
You better watch that video I've posted instead of spamming wikipedia junk. Try to put the paragraph you posted into context of the whole issue. You are clueless. "Tommy" being a guy with a rather simple minded focus, but a focus his early life brought to him, against the full machine of a society that is much worse than he thought it is, and much worse than you can even imagine until you allow yourself to sink into that information space you arrogantly believe you know to be an imagination .
Did you just offer up a defence of Tommy Robinson as a misunderstood and harmless individual? Wow. Just... wow.


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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Did you just offer up a defence of Tommy Robinson as a misunderstood and harmless individual? Wow. Just... wow.

"Tommy Robinson" is a small time single issue activist whose activism is non-violent. What "the man" did to him is unjust to the core, as you can see if you actually make yourself familiar with the issue (I recommend the video I've posted). The fact that everybody here knows and hates him is a testimony to the unwise (on top of unjust) treatment of these kind of people by the oh-so tolerant "western" systems. The alternative explanation to why everybody knows him was provided by IsThisTheLife and is peddled on sites likes DailyStormer: He's a Zionist shill.
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