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Old 11th July 2019, 12:53 PM   #1
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Largest drug bust in United States history; over 1.3 billion in cocaine seized.

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New York (CNN Business) US authorities in Philadelphia seized a cargo vessel in June with nearly 20 tons of cocaine on board. The ship, as it turns out, is owned by a fund run by banking giant JPMorgan Chase.

A source close to the situation said on Wednesday that the ship, the MSC Gayane, is part of a transportation strategy fund run for the bank's asset management unit.

That means JPMorgan Chase (JPM) does not have any operational control of the vessel, a Liberian-flagged ship that is run by the Swiss-based Mediterranean Shipping Company. The bank had no comment.
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/10/busin...ure/index.html
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The rabid anti-corporatists in my Facebook group are losing their minds over this.
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The rabid anti-corporatists in my Facebook group are losing their minds over this.
Why?
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"Hello, JP Morgan how can I help you today?"
"Yes this is the US Government, we found one of your ships today. Had cocaine on it. I mean like a lot of cocaine."
"Okay... and?"
"Well we have some issues with this."
"Listen don't worry, we're JP Morgan, we know how to transport cocaine!"
"Okay that's the problem. We 'don't' want you to transport cocaine."
"Oh now you're telling us how to run our business."
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"Hello, JP Morgan how can I help you today?"
"Yes this is the US Government, we found one of your ships today. Had cocaine on it. I mean like a lot of cocaine."
"Okay... and?"
"Well we have some issues with this."
"Listen don't worry, we're JP Morgan, we know how to transport cocaine!"
"Okay that's the problem. We 'don't' want you to transport cocaine."
"Oh now you're telling us how to run our business."
They seize your car if you come across the border with illegal drugs. They should seize this ship.

Fortunately, they did:
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At the time, just the drugs were seized by the United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency. But the US Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania announced on Monday that it had issued a warrant on July 4 that allowed the CBP to take custody of the ship itself as well.
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:21 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
They seize your car if you come across the border with illegal drugs. They should seize this ship.
If you're private citizens that can just take whatever they want from you just because they felt like it.

But this is JP Morgan, the bank so big it literally bailed out the US Government at one point.
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$1.3B @$50/gram = 26,000 kg, about 30 tons. One container full?

They only ship it in container loads because the expect to get away with it. You've got to bet big to win big.
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Is this how they make Donny's "salary payments" happen outside of global finance controls?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
If you're private citizens that can just take whatever they want from you just because they felt like it.



But this is JP Morgan, the bank so big it literally bailed out the US Government at one point.
Yeah, but didn't we pay that favor back a few years ago?
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I'm not sure what JP Morgan is supposed to have to do with any of this. The stuff was in a shipping container. Manifests and bills of lading were likely forged at some point, allowing this container to be transshipped without question by the various carriers along its route.

JP Morgan only cares that the ship is working, and they're getting a piece of the action. The actual operator only cares that the containers they're moving have the same serial numbers and routing instructions as the containers on their paperwork. It's the shippers, and the customs officials, that care about the contents of the containers themselves.

JP Morgan has no responsibility to check the contents of the containers on its ships - nor should they have. At best, they should be a footnote to this story, not the main topic of discussion.

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ETA: I mean, the really interesting question here is, how did a shipping container full of cocaine get into the global logistics system, and what does this say about the security controls and auditing/inspection procedures currently in place?

And whatever the answer to that question, it's almost certainly nothing to do with any act or omission by JP Morgan.

It's also weird that US authorities seized the entire ship, rather than just the offending container. The operator, MSC, says that the rest of the cargo has been sent along on other ships, so it seems really weird to keep this one.

Just like it seems weird that CNN is leading with the JP Morgan connection, rather than the MSC connection. If anything, it's gaps in MSC's processes that allowed this bogus container to transit their system. It's almost like, regardless of what actually happened, the first impression CNN wants you to have is "JP Morgan bad".

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Interestingly, MSC claims the container was destined for Europe anyway. But if the documentation was being forged for this container, then MSC may not actually be able to say where it came from or where it's actually going.

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Memo to Trump:

This was not at the Mexican border, it was at a port of entry in Philadelphia

Go build a was around Pennsylvania!
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I'm not sure what JP Morgan is supposed to have to do with any of this. The stuff was in a shipping container. Manifests and bills of lading were likely forged at some point, allowing this container to be transshipped without question by the various carriers along its route.

JP Morgan only cares that the ship is working, and they're getting a piece of the action. The actual operator only cares that the containers they're moving have the same serial numbers and routing instructions as the containers on their paperwork. It's the shippers, and the customs officials, that care about the contents of the containers themselves.

JP Morgan has no responsibility to check the contents of the containers on its ships - nor should they have. At best, they should be a footnote to this story, not the main topic of discussion.

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ETA: I mean, the really interesting question here is, how did a shipping container full of cocaine get into the global logistics system, and what does this say about the security controls and auditing/inspection procedures currently in place?

And whatever the answer to that question, it's almost certainly nothing to do with any act or omission by JP Morgan.

It's also weird that US authorities seized the entire ship, rather than just the offending container. The operator, MSC, says that the rest of the cargo has been sent along on other ships, so it seems really weird to keep this one.

Just like it seems weird that CNN is leading with the JP Morgan connection, rather than the MSC connection. If anything, it's gaps in MSC's processes that allowed this bogus container to transit their system. It's almost like, regardless of what actually happened, the first impression CNN wants you to have is "JP Morgan bad".

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Interestingly, MSC claims the container was destined for Europe anyway. But if the documentation was being forged for this container, then MSC may not actually be able to say where it came from or where it's actually going.
Yeah, this is like attacking Greyhound Lines because a passenger on one of the buses is found to have drugs on them.

Seizing the ship might be for forensic reasons. Are they holding the crew as well?
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Yeah, this is like attacking Greyhound Lines because a passenger on one of the buses is found to have drugs on them.
Yep! In fact, it's even worse than that. JPM bought a cargo ship as an investment, and then gave it to MSC so it could be put to work earning money.

So it'd be like attacking Warren Buffett for buying a bus and leasing it to Greyhound, because Greyhound doesn't search all its passengers before letting them board.

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Seizing the ship might be for forensic reasons. Are they holding the crew as well?
Forensic reasons crossed my mind, too. But from what little I know about containerized shipping, there's going to be nothing of forensic interest on the ship, about this container.

A truck rolls up, towing a container. A crane lifts the container onto a railroad car. The train takes the car across country to the port, where another crane lifts the container onto another truck, which then takes it to the dock. There, another crane lifts the container onto a stack of similar containers, among dozens of similar stacks, and the ship sets out for its next port of call. Assuming the container is traveling with forged documents to ensure proper routing and avoid customs inspections, the only forensic evidence they'll find on the ship is evidence of how container shipping works.

Which they should probably already know.

I suppose one possibility is that some of the ship's crew were complicit in the forgery, or were paid off to overlook discrepancies in the paperwork. Maybe "seizing the ship" is enforcement procedure for detaining the crew. I dunno. It all seems badly reported by CNN.

Which shouldn't be a surprise. CNN not being our friend and all.
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This was not at the Mexican border, it was at a port of entry in Philadelphia

Go build a was around Pennsylvania!
The big time drug cartels have never depeneded much on cross border shipments. They have the money to find other ways.
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Memo to Trump:

This was not at the Mexican border, it was at a port of entry in Philadelphia

Go build a was around Pennsylvania!

Pffft. Barely a drop in the bucket...

https://drugabuse.com/featured/drug-...cross-borders/

2012 - 2015

Drugs seized at southern border = 1,555,552 pounds, or about 7,500 tons.
North, east and west borders combined = 9,000 pounds, or 4.5 tons.

They have tunnels and trucks here so you don't get as many per bust, but they come in constantly.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Pffft. Barely a drop in the bucket...

https://drugabuse.com/featured/drug-...cross-borders/

2012 - 2015

Drugs seized at southern border = 1,555,552 pounds, or about 7,500 tons.
North, east and west borders combined = 9,000 pounds, or 4.5 tons.

They have tunnels and trucks here so you don't get as many per bust, but they come in constantly.
That's amounts of drugs SEIZED. Is that an indicator of how much is actually coming in via those routes? Or just how much attention and publicity is being focused on them.

This was approximately a container-load of coke. A whopping amount. Who's to say other containers arriving via that same route have not been stopped previously because of lack of paying attention in the right places?
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That's amounts of drugs SEIZED. Is that an indicator of how much is actually coming in via those routes? Or just how much attention and publicity is being focused on them.



This was approximately a container-load of coke. A whopping amount. Who's to say other containers arriving via that same route have not been stopped previously because of lack of paying attention in the right places?
Hell, who's to say what other contraband is moving around the same way?

Quick! Ask JP Morgan! This is all their fault somehow, I know it.
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The big time drug cartels have never depeneded much on cross border shipments. They have the money to find other ways.
They would definitely not be above shopping their smaller rivals in the SW to act as a distraction, if they are shipping by the container-load in via the NE.
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Pffft. Barely a drop in the bucket...

https://drugabuse.com/featured/drug-...cross-borders/

2012 - 2015

Drugs seized at southern border = 1,555,552 pounds, or about 7,500 tons.
North, east and west borders combined = 9,000 pounds, or 4.5 tons.

They have tunnels and trucks here so you don't get as many per bust, but they come in constantly.
Yes, but do you realize that the drugs you are listing as being seized at the US-Mexico border were seized at the 330 ports of entry along the whole length of that border?

Let me explain this to you...... again!

A BORDER WALL WILL NOT STOP DRUG DEALERS TRYING TO GET DRUGS THROUGH THOSE PORTS OF ENTRY!!!!!
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Crap, this is going to affect this year's dividend I bet.

I'm going back to investing in tobacco and whatever Walter White and Jesse Pinkman are selling now.
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Shows how worthless making certain drugs illegal is. If someone can finance this and think they will make a profit then there must be huge quantities coming into the country. In other words send 20 containers just like this one to a country and if one or two get seized then that is ok.

Either the price of cocaine will go up a lot or I am right.
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Yep! In fact, it's even worse than that. JPM bought a cargo ship as an investment, and then gave it to MSC so it could be put to work earning money.

So it'd be like attacking Warren Buffett for buying a bus and leasing it to Greyhound, because Greyhound doesn't search all its passengers before letting them board.


Forensic reasons crossed my mind, too. But from what little I know about containerized shipping, there's going to be nothing of forensic interest on the ship, about this container.

A truck rolls up, towing a container. A crane lifts the container onto a railroad car. The train takes the car across country to the port, where another crane lifts the container onto another truck, which then takes it to the dock. There, another crane lifts the container onto a stack of similar containers, among dozens of similar stacks, and the ship sets out for its next port of call. Assuming the container is traveling with forged documents to ensure proper routing and avoid customs inspections, the only forensic evidence they'll find on the ship is evidence of how container shipping works.

Which they should probably already know.

I suppose one possibility is that some of the ship's crew were complicit in the forgery, or were paid off to overlook discrepancies in the paperwork. Maybe "seizing the ship" is enforcement procedure for detaining the crew. I dunno. It all seems badly reported by CNN.

Which shouldn't be a surprise. CNN not being our friend and all.

Here's a better, more accurate report

https://gcaptain.com/us-authorities-...ord-drug-bust/

"Several crew members have been arrested in connection to the drugs, which were allegedly loaded during from small boats at sea."
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Here's a better, more accurate report

https://gcaptain.com/us-authorities-...ord-drug-bust/

"Several crew members have been arrested in connection to the drugs, which were allegedly loaded during from small boats at sea."
30 tonnes was loaded from small boats at sea while the captain was unaware???!
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I just want to mention that, from the chemist perspective, 20 tons of reasonably pure compound is a pretty darn hefty manufacturing chore. That's a serious operation. This isn't random people buying up all the Sudofed in town and making meth in their garage.
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Quick! Ask JP Morgan! This is all their fault somehow, I know it.
Surely they'll just explain it was for personal use.
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30 tonnes was loaded from small boats at sea while the captain was unaware???!
Who said the captain was unaware?
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I'll jsut leave this here:

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/ol...-addiction.gif


Imagine the tax take on that much coke!
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Old 12th July 2019, 09:11 AM   #32
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I cannot imagine that this is a unique occurrence. I’d bet this is how most cocaine and other drugs ends up being distributed. Who is going to inspect every single container in every port or container ship? Who is going to patrol international waters to stop people from loading drugs onto a ship en route?

Just look at how much drugs are seized at the border at points of entry. Mostly these are in semis, hidden among legitimate cargo. Sometimes, they are in passenger vehicles.

For every one of those vehicles/ships they catch, how many get through? The wide availability of drugs in the US would suggest that number is quite high. I mean if it wasn’t working, the drug dealers would find another way to deliver.

The only way this works is for shipping companies and government employees to be in cahoots with the drug dealers.
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Good thing it wasn't a thermonuclear nuclear device
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Pffft. Barely a drop in the bucket...

https://drugabuse.com/featured/drug-...cross-borders/

2012 - 2015

Drugs seized at southern border = 1,555,552 pounds, or about 7,500 tons.
North, east and west borders combined = 9,000 pounds, or 4.5 tons.

They have tunnels and trucks here so you don't get as many per bust, but they come in constantly.
One poster has calculated and the articles have confirmed that this one bust may be larger than all of those seizures combined. I'm not sure the calculation or reporting is accurate, but if they are in the ballpark that sort of changes the narrative a bit, no?
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Old 12th July 2019, 10:51 AM   #35
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Good thing it wasn't a thermonuclear nuclear device
Or a thermo thermonuclear nuclear device!
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
If I would have known it was that kind of party...
We should have a poll to ask "should everybody dicks his own potatoes."

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$1.3B @$50/gram = 26,000 kg, about 30 tons. One container full?

They only ship it in container loads because the expect to get away with it. You've got to bet big to win big.
The articles all said 16.5 tons - that $50 / gram stuff is evidently cut by 50% with bug powder and baking soda.

If cops are going to seize the Chevy Malibu of every hapless idiot with a roach in their ashtray, then for consistency we might as well seize JP Morgan's cargo ships.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
We should have a poll to ask "should everybody dicks his own potatoes."
It would make an awesome Planet X option.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
They would definitely not be above shopping their smaller rivals in the SW to act as a distraction, if they are shipping by the container-load in via the NE.
I would not be surprised if quite a bit of coke comes in through West Coast ports as well.
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Yes, but do you realize that the drugs you are listing as being seized at the US-Mexico border were seized at the 330 ports of entry along the whole length of that border?

Let me explain this to you...... again!

A BORDER WALL WILL NOT STOP DRUG DEALERS TRYING TO GET DRUGS THROUGH THOSE PORTS OF ENTRY!!!!!
And the big time operations wuld not even try to sneak stuff over the land border if no other reason then it's hopelessly inefficient from a business point of view.
BTW just read that the FBI and the Bureau of Narctoics strongly believer that the Mexican Cartels pretty much have a agreement for distribution with a Certain Italian American Fraternal Organzation....of whom the Man In the White House has also been often accused of having dealings....
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Here's a better, more accurate report

https://gcaptain.com/us-authorities-...ord-drug-bust/

"Several crew members have been arrested in connection to the drugs, which were allegedly loaded during from small boats at sea."
Pretty much the same way the off shore "Rum Row" operated during Prohibition....
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