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Old Yesterday, 10:26 AM   #2001
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I am hoping there's counter-messaging to the rosy portrait he paints of Covid in the U.S. Not in context of calling Trump a liar, necessarily. Just daily tweets from someone about the running death rate, the testing per capita, maybe the hospitalization rate. However everything has become so polarized that there might not be much chance to reach people who get their news from Trump's Twitter feed.

Getting the press to call him out on lies is kind of a tactic Trump uses to keep people distracted and polarized. So I'm not sure that a drumbeat of stories saying he's lying really does much to keep the population at large informed. Remember that if the media are countering Trump's lies, the center of attention is still Trump vs. the actual pandemic.

Eventually I hope the campaign ads include billboards as it's one kind of advertising it's kind of hard to miss. Big messages presented pithily. Showing both Pence and Biden wearing masks might be a good place to start. There's a public health message there as well.
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
The UK is reporting 155 deaths for today, 7th july, that's a big jump from the 16 of yesterday. I'm not sure why?
It’s the same every week. The numbers reported over the weekend are always lower.

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/deaths
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
It’s the same every week. The numbers reported over the weekend are always lower.

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/deaths
Thanks for that link. As you said not unusual at all, I got it.
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Eventually I hope the campaign ads include billboards as it's one kind of advertising it's kind of hard to miss. Big messages presented pithily. Showing both Pence and Biden wearing masks might be a good place to start. There's a public health message there as well.


Not just Pence, but every Republican who has changed their tune about masks in the last couple of weeks. Really hammer the message, "This isn't about Republicans or Democrats, it's about Trump and reality".
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Old Yesterday, 12:13 PM   #2005
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Latest Lincoln Project “Whispers” seeks to stoke Trump’s paranoid by stating his friends, family, staff, and high level “supporters” are all whispering nasty things about him, including that he is weak.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9606021.html

Sounds to me that it has the potential to drive him even more unhinged.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Not just Pence, but every Republican who has changed their tune about masks in the last couple of weeks. Really hammer the message, "This isn't about Republicans or Democrats, it's about Trump and reality".
That's essentially all of them. One day they were against masks, the next every single Republicans being covered was saying to wear masks. Even Trump made comments that in his mind were likely pro-mask. (Something to the effect that he had worn a mask several times.)

Again this was literally one day to the next, so it's pretty clear someone sent out a memo telling Republicans to support mask use because it was everywhere in their messaging all at once.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Latest Lincoln Project “Whispers” seeks to stoke Trump’s paranoid by stating his friends, family, staff, and high level “supporters” are all whispering nasty things about him, including that he is weak.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9606021.html

Sounds to me that it has the potential to drive him even more unhinged.
Only if his inner circle allows him to see it.
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He wants the US to leave the WHO, now. Because "the WHO is controlled by China".
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Old Yesterday, 12:31 PM   #2009
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Alexander Graham Bell was american?
Did you know that the telephone country code for the USA is 001? Numero Uno!!

TAKE THAT, FAILING, CHILDLESS EUROTARDS!!
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Latest Lincoln Project “Whispers” seeks to stoke Trump’s paranoid by stating his friends, family, staff, and high level “supporters” are all whispering nasty things about him, including that he is weak.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9606021.html

Sounds to me that it has the potential to drive him even more unhinged.
Ah, that's nasty. I love it.

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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
That's essentially all of them. One day they were against masks, the next every single Republicans being covered was saying to wear masks. Even Trump made comments that in his mind were likely pro-mask. (Something to the effect that he had worn a mask several times.)

Again this was literally one day to the next, so it's pretty clear someone sent out a memo telling Republicans to support mask use because it was everywhere in their messaging all at once.
Probably because their brief, but furious effort to turn Biden’s wearing of a mask in public into a “Dukakis in the tank moment” failed so miserably.
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So Roger Stone is angling for a pardon (or a commutation of his sentence).

From: Press Herald
Republican operative Roger Stone made a naked appeal to President Donald Trump to grant him a pardon or commute his sentence before he starts a 40-month prison term on July 14. “I want the president to know that I have exhausted all my legal remedies and that only an act of clemency will provide justice in my case and save my life!” Stone, 67, said in a statement sent by text Tuesday.

I do think Stone deserves substantial jail time. (Frankly, I think he's been lucky so far that the judge didn't have him jailed earlier, given the various stunts he's pulled...). But, I'm almost hoping Trump actually gives him a pardon...

On one hand, it would embarrass Trump (politically, not morally; trump doesn't do morals.) It would be a case of Trump pardoning his friends, which would be one more thing he could be criticized over in the election.

On the other hand, if anyone has decided to stick with Trump despite his screw ups over the coronavirus, racial protests, russian bounties, attempts to get foreign assistance in the election, and corruption of the DoJ, then Trump using the Pardon system to help an ally won't change their mind.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Latest Lincoln Project “Whispers” seeks to stoke Trump’s paranoid by stating his friends, family, staff, and high level “supporters” are all whispering nasty things about him, including that he is weak.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9606021.html

Sounds to me that it has the potential to drive him even more unhinged.
Quote:
While the White House hunts for leakers who have revealed a deeply damaging story of potential presidential misconduct, Mr Trump also faces the release of a book by his cousin, Mary,
It's his niece, not his cousin. How could they get that wrong? It's been in every other news story about it.

(of course, considering odd family ties, one never knows...)
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Alexander Graham Bell was american?
The West was inhabited by savages?
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Apparently so is Tim Berners-Lee



I'd also contend that implying that the US single-handedly won the World Wars is a bit of a slap in the face to their wartime allies.
American exceptionalism is the best exceptionalism in the world.
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Alexander Graham Bell was american?
The nuclear bomb team included a lot of furriners. The space project had a lot of Nazis.
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....aaaaannnnd Trump just declared the US' withdrawal from WHO.
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The nuclear bomb team included a lot of furriners. The space project had a lot of Nazis.
Furries ? Oh, my bad ..
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Alexander Graham Bell was american?
In the same way Nikola Tesla was since Tesla is more responsible for harnessing electricity than anyone. Not that Trump would accept that he was Serbian/Austrian.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Only if his inner circle allows him to see it.
He'll hear people talking about it and he'll want to see it.
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He'll hear people talking about it and he'll want to see it.
Maybe they still won't show it to him, for his own good? I just got a mental image of a kid wanting to watch a horror movie, and his responsible parents telling him he'd just get nightmares.
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Maybe they still won't show it to him, for his own good? I just got a mental image of a kid wanting to watch a horror movie, and his responsible parents telling him he'd just get nightmares.
You missed a couple chapters here if you think anyone says 'no' to Trump unless it's someone who doesn't care if they get fired.
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Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that part.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Tucker Carlson last night suggested Sen. Tammy Duckworth "hates America"

Duckworth served as a U.S. Army helicopter pilot and suffered severe combat wounds, which caused her to lose both of her legs and some mobility in her right arm. Despite her grievous injuries, she sought and obtained a medical waiver that allowed her to continue serving as a lieutenant colonel in the Illinois Army National Guard.
She is the recipient of the Purple heart, Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal.

Tucker Carlson should be fired.
He should be sent to do a stint in Iraq.
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A moving wall! And fast! Gee, I guess only a few miles is needed after all.
Right. It's like the game of Pong(?) where you move the slider up and down to hit the ball back to the other side. Same with The Wall; if it's just 6 feet wide but moves fast enough, it can block all those Browns.
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He should be sent to do a stint in Iraq.
Do they still keelhaul men in the Navy? Because if they do, he should be "impressed" into the Navy and keelhauled.
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I think that was actually in 2018, <snip>
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Lt. Spradling : Kaffee!
Lt. Kaffee : Dave, you seem distraught.
Lt. Spradling : We were supposed to meet in your office fifteen minutes ago to talk about the McDermont case. You're stalling on this thing. We get this done right now, or I mean it, Kaffee, I'm going to hang your boy from a [censored] yardarm!
Lt. Kaffee : Yardarm? Sherby, does the Navy still hang people from yardarms?
Lt. Sherby : I don't think so.
Lt. Kaffee : Dave, Sherby doesn't think the Navy hang people from yardarms anymore.
Gods, what a great movie.
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Gods, what a great movie.
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Only if his inner circle allows him to see it.
Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He'll hear people talking about it and he'll want to see it.
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Maybe they still won't show it to him, for his own good? I just got a mental image of a kid wanting to watch a horror movie, and his responsible parents telling him he'd just get nightmares.
Trump, at this point, is perhaps the most isolated person in America. He's being spoon-fed "information" from his minions, Faux News, and OANN. If he hears people talking about something, he'll just want them to tell him what he wants to hear. And they'll even be telling him what he wants to hear.
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Trump, at this point, is perhaps the most isolated person in America. He's being spoon-fed "information" from his minions, Faux News, and OANN. If he hears people talking about something, he'll just want them to tell him what he wants to hear. And they'll even be telling him what he wants to hear.
They try, and they are successful to some degree. But Trump won't miss this.
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....aaaaannnnd Trump just declared the US' withdrawal from WHO.
Trump:" China has a lot of influence in the WHO!
We'll withdraw to make sure they have even more!"
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump:" China has a lot of influence in the WHO!
We'll withdraw to make sure they have even more!"
As per your sig, whatever the problem, you can bet good money that Trump will almost certainly choose the options to make things even worse, even if they are patently illogical and nonsensical.
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....aaaaannnnd Trump just declared the US' withdrawal from WHO.
I wonder how the the Republican congress critters will respond. When the possibility of withdrawing from the WHO was first discussed, some republicans disagreed. And now that Trump has actually set the withdrawl plans in motion, at least one senator said he disagreed with the decision.

Now I guess its a question about whether any of them will actually do anything. Or will they pull a Collins, and express 'concern' while doing nothing.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Tucker Carlson last night suggested Sen. Tammy Duckworth "hates America"

Duckworth served as a U.S. Army helicopter pilot and suffered severe combat wounds, which caused her to lose both of her legs and some mobility in her right arm. Despite her grievous injuries, she sought and obtained a medical waiver that allowed her to continue serving as a lieutenant colonel in the Illinois Army National Guard.
She is the recipient of the Purple heart, Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal.

Tucker Carlson should be fired.
That is not going to go down well with members of the military past and present or those that consider themselves pro-military.

Duckworth handled it with class. She tweeted "Does @TuckerCarlson want to walk a mile in my legs and then tell me whether or not I love America?"

Why am I not surprised that Carlson would stoop this low? Because he's playing to Trump and his audience.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
As per your sig, whatever the problem, you can bet good money that Trump will almost certainly choose the options to make things even worse, even if they are patently illogical and nonsensical.
As long as it’s the opposite of what Obama did.
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