[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 48

Norman Alexander · 13th October 2022, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

That was optimistic.

Yep. Didn't take long.

Emre is not arguing, Emre is preaching. Emre is not listening, not learning. Emre is a broken record, a track set on repeat.

Emre, whatever it is you're trying to do, it's not working.

Sadly, I was proven correct.

There is one other possibility, and it is the one that I am using as the kindest possibility: Emre has serious enough mental issues that he cannot function very well. He isn't listening, and isn't learning, and is repeating the same tired old nonsense in the hope that the next repeat will convince us. The kind part is that his mania is the result of an untreated illness, a medical issue that may be treatable in some way.

The alternative can only be he is an utterly ignorant preacher of hate and violence. There's enough of those in this world today without him adding to that toll.

JoeMorgue · 13th October 2022, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

ftfy.

Why are you acting like you aren't on his side, just for a different God?

Emre_1974tr · 13th October 2022, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Atheism is a superstitious religion.

Atheists believe that God does not exist. This is a completely superstitious belief.

This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing.

But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

Filippo Lippi · 13th October 2022, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing.

But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

Who are you preaching at?

DetectedMotion · 13th October 2022, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing.

But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

If Allah is God, why did he pray for Mohammed?

sackett · 13th October 2022, 10:15 AM

Well hell, superstition just means accepting things as true in the absense of evidence. Religion is exactly that. So there's 100% commonality between the two.

Superstition and religion are two words for the same thing.

Who would have guessed that stating the banally obvious could be so much work? It's like throwing rotten tomatoes at a brick wall. After the first bushel, it gets tedious.

Emre_1974tr · 13th October 2022, 10:42 AM

The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence.

That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition.

Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence.

The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge.

You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief.

In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture.

Islam offers true knowledge.

Little 10 Toes · 13th October 2022, 10:50 AM

So which one of the following sentences are correct?
1) Allah is a liar. The Quran said he put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
2) The Quran lies. It says Allah put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
3) Mohammad writes lies. Allah never told Mohammad anything about weights and we have earthquakes.

Crossbow · 13th October 2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence.

That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition.

Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence.

The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge.

You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief.

In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture.

Islam offers true knowledge.

Do you actually believe that constantly posting this sort of stupid drivel will actually please your god?

8enotto · 13th October 2022, 01:33 PM

When the very book that asks us to believe true knowledge is also the one source of any true knowledge we have a credibility problem.

It will lead those unable to think for themselves down roads that only benefit those that think for the mindless masses.
Among the second group are preachers, imams and popes.
Predators of the masses. Flocks are to shear and ultimately sacrifice for food. Why would anyone with any original thoughts be part of one!

Norman Alexander · 13th October 2022, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing.

But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

Whoever says this does not understand what atheism is, and does not understand what religion is.

Where did you learn this? Who taught you this?

Norman Alexander · 13th October 2022, 04:14 PM

OK, I will do it again.

But this is the last time, OK?

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence.

Nope. There is no evidence whatsoever.

Quote:

That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition.

WHY are you OBLIGED to believe? That is just giving up on seeking genuine knowledge.

Quote:

Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence.

The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge.

Not "strong belief" at all. Belief has zero to do with knowledge or evidence. This is where you go wrong - making up definitions and then running with them.

Quote:

You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief.

Uh, nope. Exactly wrong. Knowledge is known, provable facts with evidence.

Quote:

In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture.

See, you are doing it again - making up definitions and then running with them. Atheism has zero to do with superstitions. It is the OPPOSITE of being superstitious. It's like you are parroting some line you were told to believe and were spanked if you got it wrong.

Quote:

Islam offers true knowledge.

It offers bad poetry, wobbly religious tracts, and a 7th century fairy tale written by an itinerant carpet merchant. Hardly the stuff of great religions.

arthwollipot · 13th October 2022, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Sadly, I was proven correct.

There is one other possibility, and it is the one that I am using as the kindest possibility: Emre has serious enough mental issues that he cannot function very well. He isn't listening, and isn't learning, and is repeating the same tired old nonsense in the hope that the next repeat will convince us. The kind part is that his mania is the result of an untreated illness, a medical issue that may be treatable in some way.

The alternative can only be he is an utterly ignorant preacher of hate and violence. There's enough of those in this world today without him adding to that toll.

That having been said I would be very cautious about armchair diagnosing someone with mental illness. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a qualified and accredited mental health provider.

junkshop · 13th October 2022, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence.

Show me this evidence.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

That is why we are obliged to believe.

Obliged to whom? How does this square with free will? Obliged to believe in what? As you are aware, your religion is but one of many...

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Because it is true knowledge based on evidence.

Show me this evidence.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And we are obliged to avoid superstition.

First up, as before: obliged to whom?

Secondly: as has been pointed out to you many, many times before theism is superstition. You are claiming that your god demands we avoid believing in him.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence.

I wouldn't word it quite like that, but OK.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge.

Where did that 'true' modifier come from? Are there now two types of knowledge - true and untrue?

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief.

This is all arse-about-face. Belief logically follows from knowledge.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture.

Nope: Atheism is a rejection of a specified form of superstition: that being the existance of gods, as you well know.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Islam offers true knowledge.

Citation needed.

Norman Alexander · 13th October 2022, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

That having been said I would be very cautious about armchair diagnosing someone with mental illness. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a qualified and accredited mental health provider.

I totally agree. And looking back you will see I have frequently and fervently urged Emre to go see a medical professional, at least to be assessed.

psionl0 · 13th October 2022, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

You missed one.

Atheists understand that there is no evidence for the existence of any god.

That wasn't part of Emre's post to correct and besides, this "understanding" is not limited to atheists.

psionl0 · 13th October 2022, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Atheism is a superstitious religion.

Atheists believe that God does not exist. This is a completely superstitious belief.

This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing.

But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

Sorry but repeating yourself in bold type doesn't make you any less wrong.

DetectedMotion · 13th October 2022, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence.

Do you have an Abu Hurairah book?

Lukraak_Sisser · 13th October 2022, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Sorry but repeating yourself in bold type doesn't make you any less wrong.

But repeating in bold is pretty much what Emre_1974tr does

He surely never addresses questions or arguments.

Emre_1974tr · 14th October 2022, 02:27 AM

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

(Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence)

Emre_1974tr · 14th October 2022, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

I have given evidence of this in this forum for years.

Crossbow · 14th October 2022, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I have given evidence of this in this forum for years.

The only evidence you have ever provided is stupid, idiotic, worthless crap from your fairy book.

psionl0 · 14th October 2022, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

True for the highlighted but by definition, it can't be a belief if it is knowledge.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

Also true for the highlighted. Whether the belief is justified or not is not established.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

So Islam is the true teaching.

That has nothing to do with belief.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

FALSE! It is not a religion and its truth or falsity hasn't been established.

Norman Alexander · 14th October 2022, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Nope. Belief is not that at all.

Quote:

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

You can't make up weird and wonderful and wrong definitions for words that suit your purposes. That is the sign of a serious problem in your learning or your head or both.

Quote:

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it any more true. It is still utter nonsense. For the last time, atheism is NOT a religion. It is the OPPOSITE of a religion. That's what the word literally means: WITHOUT BELIEF IN GODS. It is everything that is NOT a religion. Whatever you think a religion is, atheism is NOT that.

Lukraak_Sisser · 14th October 2022, 08:05 AM

Two questions for Emre_1974tr to ignore (again)

How do you explain your claim of a designed life with the fact that design wise life is a complete and total mess only a malevolent or incompetent being would make?

And how would your life change if you discovered there are no gods?

Emre_1974tr · 14th October 2022, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

(Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence)

I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam.

DetectedMotion · 14th October 2022, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I have given evidence of this in this forum for years.

You have given evidence that the Islamic religion is Satanic in nature, but covers up itself with "good works" and ritualistic prayers to a corrupted prophet. This is your blind faith and, by the way, what vessel is that buried on Mount Ararat in your country?

Emre_1974tr · 14th October 2022, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

Two questions for Emre_1974tr to ignore (again)

?

No, I did not ignore it, I explained it many times for years and you ignored what I wrote. So it's the other way around.

This world is a test world, a mixture of paradise and hell. Just as hell is purely for punishment, the world (our universe) is a world of testing where punishment and reward are intertwined. And our universe involves an end because it is a temporary testing place.

I have explained this in pages and pages of detail, but shamelessly, you don't even read what is written. And then you try to project your own disrespect on the other person.

sackett · 14th October 2022, 10:30 AM

Emre, try to understand. The things you believe aren't knowledge, and what you do isn't work.

Little 10 Toes · 14th October 2022, 10:48 AM

Emre_1974tr,

Which one of the following sentences are correct?
1) Allah is a liar. The Quran said he put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
2) The Quran lies. It says Allah put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
3) Mohammad writes lies. Allah never told Mohammad anything about weights and we have earthquakes.

Norman Alexander · 14th October 2022, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

(Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence)

I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam.

Emre, you are either talking to yourself here, or literally repeating the same nonsense yet again. Either way, this is not very sane behaviour. Please go get professional help. You have issues that need fixing. Until that happens, I will just leave you alone.

Lukraak_Sisser · 14th October 2022, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, I did not ignore it, I explained it many times for years and you ignored what I wrote. So it's the other way around.

This world is a test world, a mixture of paradise and hell. Just as hell is purely for punishment, the world (our universe) is a world of testing where punishment and reward are intertwined. And our universe involves an end because it is a temporary testing place.

I have explained this in pages and pages of detail, but shamelessly, you don't even read what is written. And then you try to project your own disrespect on the other person.

You have quoted your holy book. That is never an explanation.
But given that answer to the first question, if this world is intentionally made imperfect, then why are you harping on the perfection of the world as an example of god?
How can one differentiate between an world made to be seen as undesigned by design or just undesigned?

Emre_1974tr · 14th October 2022, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

if this world is intentionally made imperfect, then why are you harping on the perfection of the world as an example of god?
How can one differentiate between an world made to be seen as undesigned by design or just undesigned?

No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe.

that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created.

Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment.

Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly.

The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created.

Thor 2 · 14th October 2022, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe.

that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created.

Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment.

Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly.

The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created.

Oh boy ..... perfection everywhere. Where do you get those rose coloured glasses from Emre?

On the contrary I, as I think most of us, don't see perfection anywhere. Even our bodies, when looked at critically, looked like they where designed by a committee. That is, if you make the assumption that we were designed, that is. I don't of course, as evolution is the elegant explanation.

psionl0 · 14th October 2022, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam.

Why? Because you repeated a post that two people comprehensively proved is absolute nonsense?

DetectedMotion · 14th October 2022, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Islam offers true knowledge.

So why do Muslims pray 5 times a day cursing the Christians and the Jews?
Your cultish false prophet Mohammed encourages them to do so.

Lukraak_Sisser · 15th October 2022, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe.

that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created.

Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment.

Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly.

The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created.

So, you want your cake and eat it too.

Again, we cannot comment on the rest of the universe, as we have no clue what that is like, though from what we see it follows simple laws.

But life on earth is clearly extremely imperfect. IF it was designed then the designer was either incompetent, malevolent or designed it in such a way that any form of design cannot be seen. And in the last case it is therefore not a reason to assume a god.

So, is your god malevolent, incompetent or one that does not want to be seen?

DetectedMotion · 15th October 2022, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

So Islam is the true teaching.

Islam is the attempt to steer people away from the only path to heaven and follow an immoral Mohammed.

Little 10 Toes · 15th October 2022, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence).

Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief).

So Islam is the true teaching.

Atheism is a false and superstitious religion.

(Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence)

Except that I have proven that Islam is false. From your own words/posts.

Emre_1974tr · 15th October 2022, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe.

that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created.

Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment.

Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly.

The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created.

I said:

Our world and our universe;

1-The world of testing (confronting people with themselves).

2- A mixed life of paradise and hell (rewards and suffering as a warning and/or punishment)

3- It contains a finite life in which his creatures and even the universe itself will surely die in the end.

What is meant by perfection in this universe is perfection in terms of being suitable-serving for these three items, because this is the purpose of its creation. But since the purpose of creation and the conditions of the hereafter universe are different, perfection in the hereafter world is completely different. But punishment and rewards serve basically the same goal in the integrity of the world and the hereafter.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611966.0

13th October 2022, 01:13 AM	#1881
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by arthwollipot That was optimistic. Yep. Didn't take long. Emre is not arguing, Emre is preaching. Emre is not listening, not learning. Emre is a broken record, a track set on repeat. Emre, whatever it is you're trying to do, it's not working. Sadly, I was proven correct. There is one other possibility, and it is the one that I am using as the kindest possibility: Emre has serious enough mental issues that he cannot function very well. He isn't listening, and isn't learning, and is repeating the same tired old nonsense in the hope that the next repeat will convince us. The kind part is that his mania is the result of an untreated illness, a medical issue that may be treatable in some way. The alternative can only be he is an utterly ignorant preacher of hate and violence. There's enough of those in this world today without him adding to that toll.
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13th October 2022, 05:13 AM	#1882
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,099	Originally Posted by psionl0 ftfy. Why are you acting like you aren't on his side, just for a different God?
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13th October 2022, 07:14 AM	#1884
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,266	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing. But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion. Who are you preaching at?
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13th October 2022, 09:42 AM	#1885
DetectedMotion Thinker Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 199	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing. But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion. If Allah is God, why did he pray for Mohammed?
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13th October 2022, 10:15 AM	#1886
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,315	Well hell, superstition just means accepting things as true in the absense of evidence. Religion is exactly that. So there's 100% commonality between the two. Superstition and religion are two words for the same thing. Who would have guessed that stating the banally obvious could be so much work? It's like throwing rotten tomatoes at a brick wall. After the first bushel, it gets tedious.
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13th October 2022, 06:18 AM	#1883
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Atheism is a superstitious religion. Atheists believe that God does not exist. This is a completely superstitious belief. This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing. But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion.

13th October 2022, 10:42 AM	#1887
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence. That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition. Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence. The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge. You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief. In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture. Islam offers true knowledge.

13th October 2022, 10:50 AM	#1888
Little 10 Toes Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Directly above the center of the Earth Posts: 2,621	So which one of the following sentences are correct? 1) Allah is a liar. The Quran said he put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes. 2) The Quran lies. It says Allah put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes. 3) Mohammad writes lies. Allah never told Mohammad anything about weights and we have earthquakes.
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13th October 2022, 12:53 PM	#1889
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,419	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence. That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition. Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence. The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge. You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief. In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture. Islam offers true knowledge. Do you actually believe that constantly posting this sort of stupid drivel will actually please your god?
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13th October 2022, 01:33 PM	#1890
8enotto Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Mexico Posts: 2,794	When the very book that asks us to believe true knowledge is also the one source of any true knowledge we have a credibility problem. It will lead those unable to think for themselves down roads that only benefit those that think for the mindless masses. Among the second group are preachers, imams and popes. Predators of the masses. Flocks are to shear and ultimately sacrifice for food. Why would anyone with any original thoughts be part of one!

13th October 2022, 04:08 PM	#1891
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing. But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion. Whoever says this does not understand what atheism is, and does not understand what religion is. Where did you learn this? Who taught you this?
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13th October 2022, 04:14 PM	#1892
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	OK, I will do it again. But this is the last time, OK? Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence. Nope. There is no evidence whatsoever. Quote: That is why we are obliged to believe. Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. And we are obliged to avoid superstition. WHY are you OBLIGED to believe? That is just giving up on seeking genuine knowledge. Quote: Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence. The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge. Not "strong belief" at all. Belief has zero to do with knowledge or evidence. This is where you go wrong - making up definitions and then running with them. Quote: You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief. Uh, nope. Exactly wrong. Knowledge is known, provable facts with evidence. Quote: In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture. See, you are doing it again - making up definitions and then running with them. Atheism has zero to do with superstitions. It is the OPPOSITE of being superstitious. It's like you are parroting some line you were told to believe and were spanked if you got it wrong. Quote: Islam offers true knowledge. It offers bad poetry, wobbly religious tracts, and a 7th century fairy tale written by an itinerant carpet merchant. Hardly the stuff of great religions.
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13th October 2022, 04:58 PM	#1893
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 80,869	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Sadly, I was proven correct. There is one other possibility, and it is the one that I am using as the kindest possibility: Emre has serious enough mental issues that he cannot function very well. He isn't listening, and isn't learning, and is repeating the same tired old nonsense in the hope that the next repeat will convince us. The kind part is that his mania is the result of an untreated illness, a medical issue that may be treatable in some way. The alternative can only be he is an utterly ignorant preacher of hate and violence. There's enough of those in this world today without him adding to that toll. That having been said I would be very cautious about armchair diagnosing someone with mental illness. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a qualified and accredited mental health provider.
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13th October 2022, 05:17 PM	#1894
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,527	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence. Show me this evidence. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr That is why we are obliged to believe. Obliged to whom? How does this square with free will? Obliged to believe in what? As you are aware, your religion is but one of many... Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Because it is true knowledge based on evidence. Show me this evidence. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr And we are obliged to avoid superstition. First up, as before: obliged to whom? Secondly: as has been pointed out to you many, many times before theism is superstition. You are claiming that your god demands we avoid believing in him. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence. I wouldn't word it quite like that, but OK. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Holy Quran asks us to believe in true knowledge. Where did that 'true' modifier come from? Are there now two types of knowledge - true and untrue? Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr You are confusing belief with conjecture. All knowledge is actually belief. This is all arse-about-face. Belief logically follows from knowledge. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr In contrast, atheism, which is a superstition, is based on false conjecture. Nope: Atheism is a rejection of a specified form of superstition: that being the existance of gods, as you well know. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Islam offers true knowledge. Citation needed.
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13th October 2022, 07:11 PM	#1895
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by arthwollipot That having been said I would be very cautious about armchair diagnosing someone with mental illness. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a qualified and accredited mental health provider. I totally agree. And looking back you will see I have frequently and fervently urged Emre to go see a medical professional, at least to be assessed.
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13th October 2022, 09:13 PM	#1896
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 19,925	Originally Posted by arthwollipot You missed one. Atheists understand that there is no evidence for the existence of any god. That wasn't part of Emre's post to correct and besides, this "understanding" is not limited to atheists.
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13th October 2022, 09:15 PM	#1897
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 19,925	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Atheism is a superstitious religion. Atheists believe that God does not exist. This is a completely superstitious belief. This fact hurt you and that is why you started wailing. But this is the truth; atheism is a superstitious religion. Sorry but repeating yourself in bold type doesn't make you any less wrong.
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13th October 2022, 09:24 PM	#1898
DetectedMotion Thinker Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 199	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The knowledge that the Quran is the word of God and has been preserved to this day is based on evidence. Do you have an Abu Hurairah book?
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13th October 2022, 10:00 PM	#1899
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,887	Originally Posted by psionl0 Sorry but repeating yourself in bold type doesn't make you any less wrong. But repeating in bold is pretty much what Emre_1974tr does He surely never addresses questions or arguments.

14th October 2022, 02:27 AM	#1900
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). So Islam is the true teaching. Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. (Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence)
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14th October 2022, 02:28 AM	#1901
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). So Islam is the true teaching. Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. I have given evidence of this in this forum for years.

14th October 2022, 04:06 AM	#1902
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,419	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I have given evidence of this in this forum for years. The only evidence you have ever provided is stupid, idiotic, worthless crap from your fairy book.
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14th October 2022, 05:42 AM	#1903
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 19,925	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). True for the highlighted but by definition, it can't be a belief if it is knowledge. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). Also true for the highlighted. Whether the belief is justified or not is not established. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr So Islam is the true teaching. That has nothing to do with belief. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. FALSE! It is not a religion and its truth or falsity hasn't been established.
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14th October 2022, 05:53 AM	#1904
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). Nope. Belief is not that at all. Quote: Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). You can't make up weird and wonderful and wrong definitions for words that suit your purposes. That is the sign of a serious problem in your learning or your head or both. Quote: So Islam is the true teaching. Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it any more true. It is still utter nonsense. For the last time, atheism is NOT a religion. It is the OPPOSITE of a religion. That's what the word literally means: WITHOUT BELIEF IN GODS. It is everything that is NOT a religion. Whatever you think a religion is, atheism is NOT that.
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14th October 2022, 08:05 AM	#1905
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,887	Two questions for Emre_1974tr to ignore (again) How do you explain your claim of a designed life with the fact that design wise life is a complete and total mess only a malevolent or incompetent being would make? And how would your life change if you discovered there are no gods?

14th October 2022, 08:51 AM	#1906
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). So Islam is the true teaching. Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. (Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence) I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam.
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14th October 2022, 08:53 AM	#1907
DetectedMotion Thinker Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 199	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I have given evidence of this in this forum for years. You have given evidence that the Islamic religion is Satanic in nature, but covers up itself with "good works" and ritualistic prayers to a corrupted prophet. This is your blind faith and, by the way, what vessel is that buried on Mount Ararat in your country?
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14th October 2022, 08:57 AM	#1908
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser Two questions for Emre_1974tr to ignore (again) ? No, I did not ignore it, I explained it many times for years and you ignored what I wrote. So it's the other way around. This world is a test world, a mixture of paradise and hell. Just as hell is purely for punishment, the world (our universe) is a world of testing where punishment and reward are intertwined. And our universe involves an end because it is a temporary testing place. I have explained this in pages and pages of detail, but shamelessly, you don't even read what is written. And then you try to project your own disrespect on the other person.

14th October 2022, 10:30 AM	#1909
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,315	Emre, try to understand. The things you believe aren't knowledge, and what you do isn't work.
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14th October 2022, 10:48 AM	#1910
Little 10 Toes Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Directly above the center of the Earth Posts: 2,621	Emre_1974tr, Which one of the following sentences are correct? 1) Allah is a liar. The Quran said he put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes. 2) The Quran lies. It says Allah put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes. 3) Mohammad writes lies. Allah never told Mohammad anything about weights and we have earthquakes.
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14th October 2022, 01:14 PM	#1911
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Believing in the existence of God is a belief (a knowledge based on conclusive evidence). Believing that God does not exist is also a belief (a completely false and superstitious belief). So Islam is the true teaching. Atheism is a false and superstitious religion. (Knowledge = strong belief based on evidence) I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam. Emre, you are either talking to yourself here, or literally repeating the same nonsense yet again. Either way, this is not very sane behaviour. Please go get professional help. You have issues that need fixing. Until that happens, I will just leave you alone.
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14th October 2022, 01:19 PM	#1912
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,887	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No, I did not ignore it, I explained it many times for years and you ignored what I wrote. So it's the other way around. This world is a test world, a mixture of paradise and hell. Just as hell is purely for punishment, the world (our universe) is a world of testing where punishment and reward are intertwined. And our universe involves an end because it is a temporary testing place. I have explained this in pages and pages of detail, but shamelessly, you don't even read what is written. And then you try to project your own disrespect on the other person. You have quoted your holy book. That is never an explanation. But given that answer to the first question, if this world is intentionally made imperfect, then why are you harping on the perfection of the world as an example of god? How can one differentiate between an world made to be seen as undesigned by design or just undesigned?

14th October 2022, 01:53 PM	#1913
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser if this world is intentionally made imperfect, then why are you harping on the perfection of the world as an example of god? How can one differentiate between an world made to be seen as undesigned by design or just undesigned? No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe. that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created. Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment. Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly. The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created.

14th October 2022, 03:48 PM	#1914
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,154	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No, no flaws. We are in a perfect universe. that perfectly serves the purpose for which it was created. Hell also perfectly serves the purpose of punishment. Paradise serves the purpose of rewarding perfectly. The world (our universe) is a mixture of paradise and hell, perfectly serving the purpose of testing. Finally it comes to an end. It is a finite universe of trials that comes and goes. It perfectly fulfills the purpose and program for which it was created. Oh boy ..... perfection everywhere. Where do you get those rose coloured glasses from Emre? On the contrary I, as I think most of us, don't see perfection anywhere. Even our bodies, when looked at critically, looked like they where designed by a committee. That is, if you make the assumption that we were designed, that is. I don't of course, as evolution is the elegant explanation.
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14th October 2022, 09:26 PM	#1915
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 19,925	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I hope that from now on you will abandon your superstition, atheism, and turn to the true knowledge (belief) Islam. Why? Because you repeated a post that two people comprehensively proved is absolute nonsense?
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