Merged: The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[Emre_1974tr]

By the way, let me remind you again that the holy Koran presents a model of multiple universes. And heaven means the universe, not paradise:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...p?topic=3772.0

Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

1- Eggs can be cooked in a pan with sausage, the earth cannot, and the sizes are very different.

2- Eggs are edible, the world is not...

So, you agree then that the comparison between an egg and the earth is wrong and therefore no proof of your divine revelation at all?

Nice to see you learn.

[junkshop]

Hey, Emre

That Answering Christianity Research Centre that you keep spamming links to has a section ranting about "the 9/11 lie" being "100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!", using drones and thermite, and other such tosh.

Care to comment on this?

Do you agree or disagree?

Do you think it may undermine the credibility of your preferred source?

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by junkshop

Hey, Emre

That Answering Christianity Research Centre that you keep spamming links to has a section ranting about "the 9/11 lie" being "100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!", using drones and thermite, and other such tosh.

Care to comment on this?

Do you agree or disagree?

Do you think it may undermine the credibility of your preferred source?

I share my own posts from that site's forum.

As for 9/11, it was an attack by the Illuminati, which means it was the plan of a supra-national organization.

There were no airplanes in that attack.

Here is an article in Turkish on the subject:

http://michaelsikkofield.blogspot.co...-6-milyar.html

http://michaelsikkofield.blogspot.co...milyar_29.html

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I share my own posts from that site's forum.

As for 9/11, it was an attack by the Illuminati, which means it was the plan of a supra-national organization.

There were no airplanes in that attack.

Here is an article in Turkish on the subject:

http://michaelsikkofield.blogspot.co...-6-milyar.html

http://michaelsikkofield.blogspot.co...milyar_29.html

Thanks for the clarification.

Goodbye.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by junkshop

Thanks for the clarification.

Goodbye.

Oh, my God, are you one of them? Is a robot/drone on its way to my house?

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Oh, my God, are you one of them? Is a robot/drone on its way to my house?

Tell us where your house is and we can confirm if it is targeted or not.

[DetectedMotion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

By the way, let me remind you again that the holy Koran presents a model of multiple universes. And heaven means the universe, not paradise:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...p?topic=3772.0

Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.

So you're once again calling it a "false Bible on the market"

So why does the Quran keep referencing Christians as "people of the book" but yet they worship Jesus?
Why does the Quran call Jesus holy, but refers to Christians as people of the book?
Your Quran says Mohammed is a sinner in chapter 48:Verse 1) Lo. We hath given thee (Mohammed) a signal victory,

2)That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, and may perfect his favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path,

3) and that Allah may help thee with strong help.

Clearly admitting evidence from your book that Mohammed is a sinner and clearly he is not holy. Yes, this is from your book.

How was Mohammed born 4 years after his father's death? How is that possible? Yet, this bit of information is from your book. One of the 4 Islamic sects say one can make this type of claim up to 10 years. Amazing!

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

By the way...

You're just spamming excerpts from a polemical web site.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Oh, my God, are you one of them? Is a robot/drone on its way to my house?

You should not have to ask such questions because if your religion is as great as you claim your religion to be,

Then it should not be necessary for you to ask any questions of anyone for all of eternity.

[Cosmic Yak]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

The site you linked to quotes the Hadith.
Which is it, then, Emre? Are the Hadiths a true part of Islam, or are some things on that site not true?

Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes

Emre_1974tr, why do you not answer my questions?

Is it because I speak the truth and you know that the Quran tells lies?

Yeah, I'm having the same problem.
Emre runs away from awkward questions he can't answer, and continues spamming the same old crap.
Funny how "truthseekers" fear facts so much, isn't it?

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Oh, my God, are you one of them? Is a robot/drone on its way to my house?

50 pages of repeating the same gibberish and the first new thing you do is play the victim card?

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

Yeah, I'm having the same problem.
Emre runs away from awkward questions he can't answer, and continues spamming the same old crap.
Funny how "truthseekers" fear facts so much, isn't it?

Alas, you are quite correct!

I have also often noticed how so many sanctimonious people run from simple facts and logic in much the same way that 'Sir Robin' runs away from anything at all that may personally threaten him.

[JoeMorgue]

Thank God we're getting this alternative viewpoint so aren't trapped in a bubble. Yes this is much better for free speech then... like this not happening.

[DetectedMotion]

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

So, you agree then that the comparison between an egg and the earth is wrong and therefore no proof of your divine revelation at all?

Nice to see you learn.

According to Emre's book, Allah stretched the world out and made it flat.

[sackett]

Although there's not a Quaker molecule in my body, I must opine:

Friend Jay, thee ought not say "prepare to have your body parts handed to you" in speaking to Friend Emre. He would not recognize a metaphor if it (I hope it does not) bit him on this nether end. Thee must remember that he hears us through a translating machine. And too, although I hope all will be well, Turkistan has a history of dismemberment that thee must consider -- in charity, of course.

[Cosmic Yak]

Originally Posted by DetectedMotion

According to Emre's book, Allah stretched the world out and made it flat.

Flat like an egg.
Yup, that makes perfect sense.

[Emre_1974tr]

Again;

"Sateh سطح" in Arabic means surface however this surface can have any shape.or example, surface of the moon means " Sateh Al-Kamar سطح القمر " and has the shape of a sphere.

"Sateh سطح" could have any shape. it could have the shape of a saddle.


Quran 50:7

And the Earth We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and have produced therein every kind of lovely pairs (of plants).


The Quran says that God spread out the Earth 'والارض مددناها' meaning increase in surface area. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out' and is also found in Quran 25:45 describing shadows as "non-static"; however this "non-static" was also mistranslated to 'flat'.

The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area during formation. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased. The surface area is a function of the radius (surface area = 4πR2), that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases. So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing. (This is contrary to the Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)"


https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/earth.html

[Emre_1974tr]

So, The Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

So, The Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.

Where does the Bible say anything about the shape of the Earth?

WARNING! Please, other posters, don't answer for Emre. I would like to see his own work here.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

So, The Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.

You are wrong again.

The 'Holy Bible of the Flying Spaghetti Monster' corrects the 'Holy Quran'.

[JoeMorgue]

Fun fact. It doesn't come up a lot but all the secrets of the universe are actually contained in the instruction manual for the obscure 1968 Milton Bradley Board Game "Dynamite Shack."

I know, I was shocked too but go look it up, all there. The Unified Field Theory of Everything, the Meaning of Life, a workable Israel/Palestine peace treaty, the solution to the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture, all there in plain English with no parables, no metaphors, clear as day.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

"Sateh سطح" in Arabic means surface however this surface can have any shape.

So when you say it refers to an "egg-shaped" Earth, that's an interpretation on your part -- a decision about what ambiguous words and phrases should mean. Taken as a whole, all the relevant passages from the Qur'an seem to point to a belief in a flat Earth. This produces the least strained interpretation of each relevant passage.

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The Quran says that God spread out the Earth 'والارض مددناها' meaning increase in surface area.

Here you're clearly interpreting. There is nothing to indicate an increase in surface area. If I spread out a blanket, I may indeed change its shape, but I do not increase its surface area. A blanket has a fixed surface area. I have flattened the blanket by spreading it. That's a different way to think about the indicated action.

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'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out' and is also found in Quran 25:45 describing shadows as "non-static"; however this "non-static" was also mistranslated to 'flat'.

Another interpretational decision.

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However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased.

Accretion includes first an an expansion and then (and foremost) a contraction in radius. You're cherry-picking astronomical phenomena to make them fit your particular interpretation of the Qur'an. You need to learn actual science and stop letting religious polemicists teach you what they want you to know about it.

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This is contrary to the Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.

False. The first dozen or so verses of Genesis 1 clearly describe a time-extended progression of forms, components, and spatial relationships. It doesn't describe precise shapes. But the picture of the Earth and its environment clearly changes over the space of "days." The one interpretation not supported by the Bible is that the Earth was created "spontaneously" in its current shape.

So to sum up: You're clearly interpreting the Qur'an. You're not relying upon some self-evidently clear reading of the text. You're making decisions about what important words and phrases ought to mean where various readings are possible. Worse, you're doing so with a particular predetermined goal in mind.

You're clearly (mis)interpreting the Bible, clearly motivated by a desire to make it seem inconsistent with the Qur'an and inconsistent with science. You don't know much about science -- just enough to think you've supported your religious beliefs. When professional scientists (as I am) try to correct your misunderstanding, you accuse them of being stubborn and closed-minded.

Unfortunately you're not some notable religious sage. You aren't departing from or rising above the sophistry of sectarian Islam; you're fully mired in it. You simply believe your choices are the right ones. It's ordinary sectarianism.

Worse, you're being led around by the nose by polemic literature that gets the facts wrong, as such literature invariably does. It's giving you a selective, incorrect view of science. It's giving you a distorted view of Christianity. But you're the one arrogantly presuming that steeping yourself in such nonsense makes you smarter than everyone else.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Fun fact. It doesn't come up a lot but all the secrets of the universe are actually contained in the instruction manual for the obscure 1968 Milton Bradley Board Game "Dynamite Shack."

I know, I was shocked too but go look it up, all there. The Unified Field Theory of Everything, the Meaning of Life, a workable Israel/Palestine peace treaty, the solution to the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture, all there in plain English with no parables, no metaphors, clear as day.

What would be really cool is to have a mix between the game "Dynamite Shack", the B-52s song "The Love Shack" and the movie "Black Dynamite" into one book.

I expect that the resultant product would make about as much sense as the "Holy Quran" does.

[DetectedMotion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

So, The Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.

Oh give me a break, your Quran tries to be the Bible but is so jealous of it.

Do you practice Mut'a?

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I also showed you that he said it was a spinning ball.

That is an absolute lie. The Quran never says the earth is a spinning ball.

[JoeMorgue]

Everything says everything if you "interpret it" enough.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Everything says everything if you "interpret it" enough.

The Quran clearly states that the earth is round. When you read the book in its entirety, it presents the picture indisputably with many verses.

[Little 10 Toes]

Emre_1974tr,

Which one of the following sentences are correct?
1) Allah is a liar. The Quran said he put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
2) The Quran lies. It says Allah put down weights on the earth and we still have earthquakes.
3) Mohammad writes lies. Allah never told Mohammad anything about weights and we have earthquakes.

[Norman Alexander]

I'll ask again, in the forlorn hope that I will get an answer:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Where does the Bible say anything about the shape of the Earth?

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Quran clearly states that the earth is round. When you read the book in its entirety, it presents the picture indisputably with many verses.

So it is not egg-shaped after all?

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Quran clearly states that the earth is round. When you read the book in its entirety, it presents the picture indisputably with many verses.

You said the Qur’an said it was egg-shaped. You specifically referred to polemical sources that contrasted that with a spherical shape.


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[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I'll ask again, in the forlorn hope that I will get an answer:

So it is not egg-shaped after all?

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

[Blue Mountain]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

No, it is not up to us to read the Qu'ran to see if it supports your ideas or interpretations; it is up to you to supply us with the verses. And preferably here in this forum instead of simply pasting a bunch of raw links to other sites.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

OK, so the Koran says it IS spherical but it is ALSO egg-shaped, i.e. NOT spherical. So you have proven the Koran is lying to you. The silly part of all this is you won't accept that.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Quran says that God spread out the Earth 'والارض مددناها' meaning increase in surface area. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out' and is also found in Quran 25:45 describing shadows as "non-static"; however this "non-static" was also mistranslated to 'flat'.

The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area during formation. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased. The surface area is a function of the radius (surface area = 4πR2), that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases. So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing.

Yes, but it says that the surface area was increased by being “spread out”, rather than by accretion of new material. It’s wrong.

[steenkh]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

For all three items: you have claimed so, but you can only support it with heavy “interpretation” - that is obviously over-interpreted.
Try again, this time without interpretation. You could present some verses, and ask what we think the verses mean, and then we’ll see how obvious your interpretation is.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

I've read the Qur'an and I've read your writings. And I've explained in substantial detail why your writings don't convince anyone. The big reason right now is that you're making contradictory claims.

[DetectedMotion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

If you had read the Quran or my writings, you would know that in different verses it is said that "1- It is round, 2- it is rounded like an ostrich egg, 3- It is a spinning ball.

After some more reading of the Quran there are verses in chapter 18 about a man named Dhul-Qarnain reaching a place where the sun sets.

Verses 83-86:And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say "I shall recite to you something of his story." Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991- Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

There's how Mohammed interprets in his all-wise fashion. So will your re-interpretation explain it away like the flat earth?

[LongFuzzy]

I give you the round flat egg shaped earth! But should it be over easy?
It's as fried as this thread.

[JoeMorgue]

The Quran states the following provably wrong, non-subjective falsehoods in a non-parable way.

1. It describes a geocentric solar system.
2. Similar to the Bible is describes the Earth as being created is six days.
3. It describes the Earth as being created before the stars.
4. It states that 7 Earths exist.
5. It describes the Earth and Moon as the same size and same distance from Earth.
6. It claims the Moon generates its own light.
7. It decrees that followers follow rituals that make no sense if the length of a day is variable, such as it is at higher latitudes.
8. Humans are created from clay.
9. Human descending from a magically created original pair of humans.
10. Sperms comes from the backbone and ribs.
11. Embryos are formed entirely from the semen.
12. It describes the heart as a thinking organ like the brain.
13. How you are supposed to face toward Mecca makes no sense if the Earth is round.
14. It describes salt and fresh water as not mixing in nature.
15. It describes a massive wall of iron as existing in Biblical (or Quranian or whatever) times.
16. It tells of Crucifixion occurring in Egypt at the time of Moses.
17. It repeats the oft repeated Noah flood myth.
18. It has a description of humans being turned into apes as punishment for breaking the Sabbath.
19. The whole flying horse thing which is in the Quran and I don't know why you try to lie and say it doesn't.
20. The inheritance rules don't add up mathematically, even if you round the numbers off.
21. Apparently if you have bangs you're a liar.

These are not "interpretations" or parables or "colorful language" or metaphors or some ancient people's interpretations of anything. They are falsehoods and lies.