Merged: The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You Christians...

The majority of your audience are atheists. What makes you think we care about your reasons for thinking your version of a fairy tale is superior to some other version of a fairy tale? Then again, what makes me think you care about what anyone else in this thread says?

[Myriad]

I've never seen an angel, demon, or jinn.

I've never seen a real-world event or object that required the existence of an angel, demon, or jinn to explain it. Nor have I ever heard of any such event via any reliable contemporary source.

Even if, as some argue, the existence of the universe required the prior existence of a creator such as Allah or Izanami, what part of creation requires or implies that angels, demons, or djinn exist? (Tales told or recorded by humans don't count, or else we'd have to say Santa Claus, Terminators, dragons, and sparkly teen vampires also exist.)

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Myriad

I've never seen an angel, demon, or jinn.

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I saw...

[MarkCorrigan]

You have evidence for this, I assume?

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I saw...

I'm not surprised. Your postings here suggest strongly you are quite susceptible to seeing imaginary things. All sorts of imaginary things.

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I saw...

You saw... what? An angel, a demon, or a djinn? How did you recognize it?

Where was it? What was it doing? Did it say anything?

[SteveAitch]

I saw... Esau, sitting on a see-saw?

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

I saw... Esau, sitting on a see-saw?

Indeed, I saw Esau, 'n'e saw me.

Then we went for a coffee, and chatted about how glad we were that we were free to live our lives without worrying about having to appease dictators (real or imagined), because we are both hopelessly naive.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine

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I AGREE

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I dreamed I saw St. Augustine
Alive as you or me
Tearing through these quarters
In the utmost misery
With a blanket underneath his arm
And a coat of solid gold
Searching for the very souls
Whom already have been sold

Arise, arise, he cried so loud
With a voice without restraint
Come out, ye gifted kings and queens
And hear my sad complaint
No martyr is among ye now
Whom you can call your own
So go on your way accordingly
But know you're not alone
🎵🎶🎵🎶
I dreamed I saw St. Augustine
Alive with fiery breath
And I dreamed I was amongst the ones
That put him out to death
Oh, I awoke in anger
So alone and terrified
I put my fingers against the glass
And bowed my head and cried

Makes as much more sense that the subject of this thread.



Well. Maybe not the cuckoo clock.

[DetectedMotion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I saw...

.....the sun set in a puddle of muddy water?

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I saw...

And ...

"I dwat I saw a Puddy Kat!".

[Emre_1974tr]

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses fate and free will:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...kVIw5FMblDqWA8

God knows what we are going to do even before He creates us. He knows how we will react to which option and accordingly writes our destiny.

Meanwhile, the Pew Research Centre says that by 2050 Islam will be the religion with the largest number of believers in the world. But I think this will happen in 2025 at the latest.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...hange310px.png

[Steve]

Cool dude, that god. Creates people as robots for it's own amusement. Nothing there worthy of worship, or respect, or even interest.

[MarkCorrigan]

Hopefully by the Atheism will have grown as well. Indeed, non religion growing at a much faster rate here in the UK than Islam is.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses fate and free will...

No, every religious canon does this. So do vast numbers of secular philosophy works going back far earlier than the Qur'an. And many of those do a far better job of it.

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God knows what we are going to do even before He creates us. He knows how we will react to which option and accordingly writes our destiny.

So where do kids with brain cancer fit into that? Allah is kind of a jerk.

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Meanwhile, the Pew Research Centre says that by 2050 Islam will be the religion with the largest number of believers in the world. But I think this will happen in 2025 at the latest.

False. Here's the article you stole the graphic from. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...ous-landscape/

It says Christians will still outnumber Muslims, although Muslims will be the fastest growing major religion. The article attributes this to an increased birth rate among Muslims, not a conversation rate. In any case, we don't really care about that particular pissing match. But I do care when people misquote their sources.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

Hopefully by the Atheism will have grown as well. Indeed, non religion growing at a much faster rate here in the UK than Islam is.

The article projects a slight proportional shrinkage, due (it says) to the notion that religious women are more likely to have children than unaffiliated women.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

It says Christians will still outnumber Muslims, although Muslims will be the fastest growing major religion. The article attributes this to an increased birth rate among Muslims, not a conversation rate. In any case, we don't really care about that particular pissing match. But I do care when people misquote their sources.

I assume you meant conversion. Conversation does sometimes lead to conversion, of course. Though not the sort in which the OP engages, which is supremely ineffectual in that regard.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses fate and free will:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...kVIw5FMblDqWA8

God knows what we are going to do even before He creates us. He knows how we will react to which option and accordingly writes our destiny.

Meanwhile, the Pew Research Centre says that by 2050 Islam will be the religion with the largest number of believers in the world. But I think this will happen in 2025 at the latest.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...hange310px.png

It may even happen before 2025.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Steve

Cool dude, that god. Creates people as robots for it's own amusement. Nothing there worthy of worship, or respect, or even interest.

No, He gives us free will. The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this in detail.

[steenkh]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, He gives us free will. The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this in detail.

He knows everything, right? Then there is no free will, because we can only do what he already knows we will do.
opcorn:

[steenkh]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It may even happen before 2025.

Are we supposed to be shocked by this? Frankly, I don’t care.

Anyway, the fewer adherents a religion has, the higher it’s growth rate can be. A religion with only one follower can grow by 100% by acquiring another follower. Few established religions can match that.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

God knows what we are going to do even before He creates us. He knows how we will react to which option and accordingly writes our destiny.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, He gives us free will.

Can you say "contradiction"?

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Steve

Can you say "contradiction"?

No, He knows what we will do with our free will. You can do the opposite, but you won't.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, He knows what we will do with our free will. You can do the opposite, but you won't.

Religious proponents are commonly blind to the contradictions in their beliefs. Seems your (imagined) god knew you would follow this path of ignorance before you were created. Quite the waste of time and effort on this (imagined) god's behalf.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

I assume you meant conversion.

I did. Thank Apple's autocorrect, and the haste engendered by trying write a post between Sundance Film Festival screenings.

[MarkCorrigan]

Emre why are you claiming that the Quran is the only book that discusses free will in detail when 1. It is not, there are loads of philosophical writings on it and 2. it doesn't.

[sackett]

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
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Yeah, well I pity the poor immigrunt, whom wishes he'd've stayed at home. And the wicked massager too!


How I doin, Emre? You almost just conversated me!

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It may even happen before 2025.

Your source says it won't happen at all. You didn't read it; you only (mis)read a graphic taken from a larger study. As usual, your critics are better informed than you.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, He gives us free will.

No. No one "gives" free will. We either have it or we don't. That's what free will means.

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The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this in detail.

Categorically false.

Aristotle, Socrates, and most of the early philosophers wrote extensively on the subject of human volition and its causes. The sects of pre-Christian Judaism (e.g., Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes) distinguished themselves largely upon the question of free will and predestination.

The Qur'an "analyzes" nothing. It merely presents a slack-jawed, cartoonish version of predestination than then has to be danced around when the subject of punishment arises. It's the treatment of the subject that arises when you haven't thought very hard about the subject.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, He knows what we will do with our free will. You can do the opposite, but you won't.

According to the doctrine of القضاء والقدر, it's more than just knowledge; God commands the outcome. The theological means by which the individual acquires responsibility for wrongdoing (and therefore merits punishment) is the predictable tap dance that happens when you study human volition under the inviolable axiom of an all-knowing, all-powerful God. There's no natural reconciliation, as the concepts are fundamentally at odds.

[sackett]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

The majority of your audience are atheists....

Yes, but we're Christian atheists. That means we only don't believe in God. We all believe in Allah, because we -- you -- they -- just have to.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

Emre why are you claiming that the Quran is the only book that discusses free will in detail when 1. It is not, there are loads of philosophical writings on it and 2. it doesn't.

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this subject. the others are based on many mistakes and nonsense. Nonsense comments are not analyses.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Steve

Religious proponents a

Now I know you made this comment. You made this comment of your own free will. If I turn back time, I will know that you will write this even before you write it. My knowing does not mean that you are a robot. I know what you chose with your free will.

[MarkCorrigan]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this subject. the others are based on many mistakes and nonsense. Nonsense comments are not analyses.

How do you determine which are nonsense and which are good?

[MarkCorrigan]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Now I know you made this comment. You made this comment of your own free will. If I turn back time, I will know that you will write this even before you write it. My knowing does not mean that you are a robot. I know what you chose with your free will.

Not how it works sport.

Perfect knowledge defies free will. You can't just handwave it away and pretend your nonsense answers it.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an is the only book that analyses this subject.

It doesn't analyze anything. It simply declares, and not consistently.

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...the others are based on many mistakes and nonsense.

Have you read them? Give the names of the ones you've read.

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Nonsense comments are not analyses.

I don't trust "analysis" that starts from the assumption that there exists an all-powerful, all-knowing God who punishes people for not doing what other people say he has said. That seems like a really big mistake to me.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Now I know you made this comment. You made this comment of your own free will. If I turn back time, I will know that you will write this even before you write it. My knowing does not mean that you are a robot. I know what you chose with your free will.

But you have no power over him, and you have not commanded the outcome. That's the difference. All you're talking about is foreknowledge. That's not the same as predestination.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Now I know you made this comment. You made this comment of your own free will. If I turn back time, I will know that you will write this even before you write it. My knowing does not mean that you are a robot. I know what you chose with your free will.

Remember posting this?:

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

God knows what we are going to do even before He creates us. He knows how we will react to which option and accordingly writes our destiny.

You did not create me. Your logic fails.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Now I know you made this comment. You made this comment of your own free will. If I turn back time, I will know that you will write this even before you write it. My knowing does not mean that you are a robot. I know what you chose with your free will.

The proof of your theory will be that you can tell accurately in advance what someone is going to do, and when they will do it.

You may begin...now!

[Emre_1974tr]

God knows which option you will choose. And that's why He brings such options in front of you that the good or evil in you is revealed. In other words, He makes you face yourself. And that's why you understand why you are going to paradise. or why you are going to hell.

Read my article.

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

...Read my article.

edited.

[Susheel]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

God knows which option you will choose. And that's why He brings such options in front of you that the good or evil in you is revealed. In other words, He makes you face yourself. And that's why you understand why you are going to paradise. or why you are going to hell.

Read my article.

Your "article" is just as ignorant and devoid of sense as the drivel you have posted thus far. Do you believe that calling your verbal tossed salad and article somehow magically provides validity to it?