|
Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
28th June 2021, 10:09 PM | #1 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,723
|
Florida Condo Collapse / CD?
We don't often see collapses of high-rises in the US, but there was one in Florida last week - I don't know if any truthers are still active but I was curious as to whether any have made public statements regarding this recent occurrence.
Seems like this event would be incompatible with Richard Gage's thoughts on gravity-fueled collapse,"path of most resistance", etc. |
__________________
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen -Einstein |
|
29th June 2021, 12:16 AM | #2 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 25,304
|
|
__________________
If you're not a scientist but you think you've destroyed the foundation of a vast scientific edifice with 10 minutes of Googling, you might want to consider the possibility that you're wrong. Its TRE45ON season... convict the F45CIST!! |
|
29th June 2021, 01:37 AM | #3 |
No longer the 1
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 30,145
|
|
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
|
29th June 2021, 02:40 AM | #4 |
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD
Posts: 34,249
|
It's a good point. Several ago a building collapsed in Tehran after a fire, and a few truthers tried to fan the embers of their dying movement back to life by insisting that, since their dogma clearly stated that no building could collapse from fire damage alone, this must have been a false flag event in which agents of the 9/11 conspiracy had secretly planted explosives in the building and then started the fire. The question of how much freedom of action these agents would have had in a county whose head of state had publicly claimed that 9/11 was a false flag operation was never satisfactorily addressed.
Dave |
__________________
There is truth and there are lies. - President Joseph R. Biden, January 20th, 2021 |
|
29th June 2021, 04:43 AM | #5 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
|
|
29th June 2021, 05:48 AM | #6 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
|
Which seems more likely? That someone decided they wanted to blow up a bunch of retirees living in beach condos or that some construction company in Florida cut corners resulting in a serious failure?
Tricky tricky, much to consider. |
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey |
|
29th June 2021, 05:53 AM | #7 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 8,185
|
The theory that's come up so far is that John McAfee concealed 31TB of compromising material in the building, which was then destroyed by the people who killed him. |
29th June 2021, 05:58 AM | #8 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
|
McAfee's secret files detailing how he wants to do more drugs or run from the IRS on his boat while trying to fornicate with sea critters.
McAfee is such a poor selection to be the center of a CT. He's the opposite of clandestine, he's a rich weirdo that chose to live an outrageous life as a fringe outsider. He's exactly what he appears to be, living his best life turning his brain to swiss cheese and enjoying a strange life of wealthy excess. There's nothing hidden there at all, dude was not even the slightest bit shy about his lifestyle. |
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey |
|
29th June 2021, 06:03 AM | #9 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 14,574
|
I would LOVE to know where that 31TB figure came from. That's so specific!
|
__________________
|
|
29th June 2021, 06:20 AM | #10 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 8,185
|
|
29th June 2021, 07:05 AM | #11 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
|
|
29th June 2021, 07:22 AM | #12 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 8,185
|
|
29th June 2021, 08:19 AM | #13 |
"más divertido"
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: USA! USA!
Posts: 24,384
|
Destroying buildings to hide evidence of something is so ill-informed. I could see it in 2001, before "the cloud" was a thing and people didn't understand distributed, off-site storage and backups. But to suggest that a building had to come down to destroy digital information? That's insane.
|
29th June 2021, 08:33 AM | #14 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
|
|
29th June 2021, 08:48 AM | #15 |
Not a doctor.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 25,863
|
I say we can just assume it was cd until proved otherwise. And we may also need to pretend that there weren’t any actual victims, just vic-sims. Yeah that seems to help level up the **** factor. Maybe also insist that it was just done to make Israel look bad.
|
__________________
Suffering is not a punishment not a fruit of sin, it is a gift of God. He allows us to share in His suffering and to make up for the sins of the world. -Mother Teresa If I had a pet panda I would name it Snowflake. |
|
29th June 2021, 10:23 AM | #16 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,817
|
|
29th June 2021, 12:43 PM | #17 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dog House
Posts: 26,122
|
31TB (terabytes), that is where John McAfee stored his 775 full resolution Blu-ray collection he copied in Spain, and stored in Florida. He was going to use handbrake to cut the size down for his portable devices, got depressed and never got to it...
ran out of time He only spent 8,000 dollars https://www.serversupply.com/SSD/SAS...hoChRQQAvD_BwE I store all my important disk drives thousands of miles away near Miami, doesn't everyone... (actually, best to have triple or quad backup of your good stuff - need more locations) Now adding spalling concrete, to the DHS terror watchlists. Or was it his collection of photos, raw 14 bit NEF files from his Nikon D810... maybe the 775,000 photos on the 31TB SSD were evidence of election fraud needed by Clownstick, aka the exTangerine Twitter Machine. |
__________________
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Albert Einstein "... education as the means of developing our greatest abilities" - JFK |
|
29th June 2021, 02:15 PM | #18 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 6,863
|
Considering they're still in the process of recovering bodies and gathering evidence I'm kind of shocked A&ETruth hasn't chimed in yet since nobody knows what happened yet.
|
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha |
|
29th June 2021, 02:43 PM | #19 |
Scholar
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 117
|
The CT`s are going ******* nuts!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMjxwIEOU8Q&t=1s |
__________________
No matter how smart or well-educated you are, you can be deceived. - James Randi. |
|
30th June 2021, 01:24 AM | #20 |
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD
Posts: 34,249
|
|
__________________
There is truth and there are lies. - President Joseph R. Biden, January 20th, 2021 |
|
30th June 2021, 11:36 AM | #21 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cali Four Neea
Posts: 1,677
|
Ah yes, that famous Controlled Demolition tactic of *checks notes*...a building collapsing after years of neglect and people ignoring warnings.
|
30th June 2021, 08:41 PM | #22 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 24,921
|
|
__________________
"Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick |
|
1st July 2021, 01:28 AM | #23 |
No longer the 1
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 30,145
|
A moderate amount of data. One terabyte is one million megabytes or one thousand gigabytes. A DVD (remember them?) held 4.7 to 17 gigabytes and BluRay discs hold 25 to 150 gigabytes. Typically a 'TV hour' of compressed, standard definition, video take around one-quarter of a gigabyte (though this is very variable). A two-hour film ripped at 2160p (better than '[standard' high definition) is around 20-30GB.
The largest retail level hard disks (mechanical rather than solid-state) hold 20TB and are, in an external enclosure that can be moved easily and plugged into a USB port, approximately 12.5cm x 20cm x 4cm (i.e. hardback book sized). More portable units, using the laptop type 2.5" drives, are smaller; around 8cm x 10cm x 1.5cm but max out at 5TB. These do not need a separate power brick, drawing sufficient power from the USB connection. Therefore 31TB of stortage would be around two litres in volume. Hope this helps. |
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
|
1st July 2021, 01:39 AM | #24 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 18,667
|
|
__________________
Thermodynamics hates conspiracy theorists. (Foster Zygote) The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. (Gilbert Keith Chesterton) |
|
1st July 2021, 01:48 AM | #25 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 18,667
|
I just browsed the latest entries in about 20 to 25 9/11 "Truth" related groups and pages on Facebook. The vast majority of those are "Truther" dominated - and I have seen the Miami condo collapse mentioned only once there: A handful of group members simply spouting off their amateur opinion that it "looks like" demolition and "what else could it possibly be with the flashes and the dust and the into its footprint".
A handful of posts in "Debunker"-minded groups challenged Truthers, I didn't see any Truthers bite. So this is a topic so far entirely avoided by "9/11 Truth", as far as I can see. One debunker linked to a speculation that the recent "stress test" the US Navy did on the new aircraft carrier "Gerald Ford", where they detonated a silly amount of explosives next to the ship in the waters off Florida, might have played a role. The explosion caused waves in the earth crust equivalent to a 3.9 earthquake. But of course 3.9 is like almost nothing, the distance was too large for such a tiny quake, and no other, minor damages were reported from the Florida coast. And it was a number of days ago. |
__________________
Thermodynamics hates conspiracy theorists. (Foster Zygote) The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. (Gilbert Keith Chesterton) |
|
1st July 2021, 04:44 PM | #26 |
The Clarity Is Devastating
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Betwixt
Posts: 20,891
|
I prefer to think of terabytes in terms of the characteristics of a terabyte-long novel, of (with a moderate data compression scheme) a trillion words. No one would be able to read more than about three percent of it in one lifetime. Readers would have to rely on a few million pages of Cliffs Notes summaries, only rarely delving into the original text to get a flavor of it or for academic study (or to produce superior segment summaries themselves). If structured like conventional modern narrative, it would have about a billion named characters and several million with at least their own simple story arcs. (There might still be a much smaller number of main characters, though, and perhaps even a single main protagonist.) Most of the chapter numbers would have seven or eight digits. If printed out and bound in hefty half-million-word encyclopedia-like books, its two million volumes would fill a respectable university library. |
__________________
"*Except Myriad. Even Cthulhu would give him a pat on the head and an ice cream and send him to the movies while he ended the rest of the world." - Foster Zygote |
|
1st July 2021, 06:19 PM | #27 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney Nova Scotia
Posts: 13,833
|
|
__________________
Caption from and old New Yorker cartoon - Why am I shouting? Because I'm wrong!" |
|
2nd July 2021, 11:03 AM | #28 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,817
|
|
5th July 2021, 02:50 PM | #29 |
"más divertido"
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: USA! USA!
Posts: 24,384
|
|
6th July 2021, 04:24 AM | #30 |
No longer the 1
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 30,145
|
|
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
|
6th July 2021, 04:26 AM | #31 |
No longer the 1
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 30,145
|
|
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
|
6th July 2021, 04:29 AM | #32 |
Fiend God
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
Posts: 96,875
|
|
6th July 2021, 04:31 AM | #33 |
Fiend God
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
Posts: 96,875
|
More specifically, it's 31,000,000,000,000 bytes approximately, or 31 million megabytes. More exactly, it's 31x1024x1024x1024x1024 bytes (34,084,860,461,056 bytes). And in case you don't know, a byte is a single text character, like a letter, single digit number or symbol like a period.
|
6th July 2021, 10:12 AM | #34 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
|
|
6th July 2021, 10:25 AM | #35 |
Fiend God
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
Posts: 96,875
|
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|