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29th August 2016, 05:59 AM | #521 |
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Here is why Mark is having an issue. Here is a section of his proposal to the independent labs:
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29th August 2016, 06:14 AM | #522 |
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I found this, posted by SnowCrash, on 911Blogger.
http://911blogger.com/news/2009-08-2...s-911-wtc-dust
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29th August 2016, 06:43 AM | #523 |
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No. Those particles are neither iron nor spheres. Those were iron-oxide and had at least two pointed ends stemming from the wool material. Even if that was true, what on earth was that much steel wool doing in the WTC? We have to account for 10 tons worth, the equivalent of one of the less larger beams. Remember that we must account for the fact that many of these spheres are chemically similar to to iron spheres produced by common thermitic materials.
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Several hundred tons of steel structural components bashing against each other creates a few sparks, which in turn then cool and are..... spherical.
MJ complains that they are iron oxide, not elemental (I assume) iron. ANY elemental iron sphere will very soon have a layer of iron oxide after being doused with water or simply left in the elements for a few days. If its a "microsphere" then that iron oxide layer could very well extend to take up a sizable % of the entire volume of the sphere. just my humble opinion, I don't recall the palaver that was had on this subject several years ago. |
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Find a power grinder Mich, then take a steel kitchen knife and apply it to the powered grinder. describe the effect.
Its a shower of bright sparks. Now venture a guess at the temperature and composition of those glowing sparks, and where the energy for that came from. skip to: a large number of steel objects falling and bashing and skidding against each other. Now skip ahead skip ahead and take a look at the photos of the clean up and note the number of metal saws, grinders and torches being used to cut steel components up. No try again to tell me that iron spheres are somehow unusual. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and then once that is settled, as it was here years ago,,,, let's get back to today and discuss the actual thread topic and why Mark Basile has thus far utterly failed to carry out the promised actions. |
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evidence free forever, the truth movement lies about thermite
Do you know what molybdenum is used for? Why would office fires not create this? You don't understand fire science, and have fallen for the delusional lie of thermite. What is the vapor pressure of lead and moly? Why do you post BS without references? Do you look up stuff before believing the fantasy of thermite? no
Moly? From what? There were office fires and 1000C is a high temperature, and there were no unnaturally high temperatures due to to Jones fantasy thermite which only exists in his delusional mind which got him fired for being a nut on 9/11. Vaporized lead? Are you spreading lies, in a normal office fire temperatures are high enough to create dangerous levels of lead vapors - did you look up this stuff before spreading lies? You cherry pick stuff you don't understand and make no conclusions. Big failure for thermite fantasy. Show some steel with thermite damage, or melted steel. You offer opinion, you need evidence. You will never have evidence for thermite, you will post old nonsense from failed 9/11 truth fired guys who lie about 9/11. Copy and paste, no research, 9/11 truth believers refuse to think for themselves. 15 years of failure. |
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Iron spheres already stomped on, kicked around, buried, dug back up, and hacked to pieces on another thread (link). Please do not weary us with it on a totally unrelated thread.
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Criteria,
Based on all your quotes above regarding the importance of the DSC ignition tests being important in determining a chip as being thermitic, can you tell us about this quote?
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How did Harrit determine a chip as "inactive thermite" if it didn't ignite? I thought that was important characteristic? I have an email from Harrit where he states that they couldn't find active chips in some samples and that they may have been stored under unfavorable conditions. He also states that stability of nanoaluminum has been studied and it definitely deteriorates. How does one determine a red/gray chip as deteriorated thermite if it didn't ignite? I guess bullet point 5 in your first quote above is not needed to determine that a red/gray chip is thermite? |
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This has been explained before, but for those firmly entrenched in their beliefs, people like yourself, no explanation is good enough.
Scientists, having microscopically studied the red chips over a long period of time became so familiar with the appearance of “candidate chips” that it became easy to visually recognize them amongst other red chips. For those researchers with no such familiarity and starting from scratch, I described the procedure required to find “candidate chips”. I really do not see any problem. If, say, ten “candidate” chips are selected and maybe 2 of them fail to ignite. That does not detract from the findings made from the 8 that did ignite. |
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You clearly are not comprehending the problem here. Read the highlighted part again. Harrit is saying, per your example, that the 2 chips that didn't ignite and the 8 chips that did ignite ARE ALL THERMITE! The 2 that didn't ignite are dead/inactive/deteriorated THERMITE chips. The 8 that did ignite are active THERMITE chips.
According to you and how you interpret Harrit's thermite paper, CANDIDATE chips (being put through all the other testing) are not yet determined as being thermite until they have ignited and the remnants looked at for microspheres. My question to you is, if ignition of a chip and resultant microspheres seals the deal and turns a red/gray CANDIDATE chip into a THERMITE chip, how in the hell did Harrit determine that there were DEAD/INACTIVE thermitic chips that supposedly deteriorated over time? He made the determination that the chips that didn't ignite (therefore, no ashes/residue/leftovers to examine) were DEAD THERMITE CHIPS. What criteria did he use to determine that?. He didn't use the DSC ignition test to make that determination because the chip DIDN'T ignite. The bottom line here is that, based on you are saying, the DSC test is not needed because the other tests are enough to determine if a chip is thermite or not. What is that criteria? |
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Back. Wow, suggestions for how iron-rich spheres (and other particles) could be produced are through the roof, and with no citation at all referencing them being found in building rubble dust in such quantities and chemistry.
Why would you necessarily be expecting thermite damage on steel if thermite was somehow used in a demolition? |
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Thermite would leave iron fused to the steel, it is a fact 9/11 truth ignores due to overwhelming ignorance.
911 truth lies about thermite, a fantasy born in some insane dream by Jones. Iron is in the WTC dust at 6 percent, wow, which is the same as it is in the earth on the east coast. It is not a lot of iron, it is at the same as we would find in our yards. Iron spheres occur in fires, thus 911 truth followers/believers have been fooled by liars. 911 truth fantasy believers never ran a magnet though the dust in their backyard? Why are they so gullible? The USGS did a dust study, 9/11 truth ignores it, or cherry picks it to support the fantasy and lies. |
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Apparently, you've overlooked the references that I have provided, which would have given you a clue as to why you are incorrect. Debunked: Iron Microspheres in 9/11 WTC Dust as Evidence for Thermite The iron is heated red hot or hotter and subjected to hurricane force blast furnace like wind. The iron flakes are liberated as small particles and some iron is vaporized. Like drops of water, the iron flakes form molten spheres that solidify and the fume also condenses into spheres, the most efficient geometrical form. … The formation of iron and other type spheres at temperatures obtainable by the combustion of petroleum or coal based fuels is not a new or unique process. These spheres are the same as iron and alumino-silicate spheres in the well-studied fly ash formed from contaminants in coal as it is burned in furnaces. – Rich Lee" https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-ir...hermite.t2523/
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You are correct. Truthers have claimed these photos were evidence that thermite was used to bring down the WTC buildings. Photo 1 http://www.debunking911.com/cut3.jpg Photo 2 http://www.debunking911.com/anglecut2.jpg Now, for the rest of the story. WTC Angle Cut Columns during cleanup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4 After almost 15 years, not one dust sample depicted evidence of thermite. |
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Rehashing the microsphere nonsense really is off-topic. I keep clicking this thread hoping to see some update on Mark Basile's study.
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I know perfectly well what reduction and oxidation are, I also know the most hollow microspheres in the world trade center were glass, as the used magnetic separation on the fly ash.
I also Created micro and macro spheres in a 3 story chimney effect, some from oxidation some from reduction. |
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Or tooth marks from T Rex 66 million years old.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-prey-dinosaur |
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In short if one claims a violent action on something that causes that something great damage then there is going to be signs that this specific violent action was what caused the damage.
The grade 4 level specific discription: Thermite melts steel, therefore if thermite caused the failure of a structural component then that structural component will display signs of having been melted. If said signs of having been melted are not to be found then there is NO evidence that anything was melted. easy-peasy unless you have a political world view that requires the existence of a vast extra-governmental organization bent on directing events in the world towards non-specified goals and that in order to accomplish said unspecified goals they regularily conduct operations designed to strike fear in the world populace by killing dozens, hundreds or, in this case, thousands of innocent persons. If that is where you begin looking at the world then damn the evidence, full loon ahead! |
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This is a cement kiln. It makes portland cement.
This is fire proofing. It is a mixture of mineral wool and portland cement. Before the collapse almost all of the steel was covered with fire proofing. After the collapse almost none of the steel was covered with fire proofing. Most of it pretty much turned to dust. All of the things Jones mentions in his "High temp at WTC" paper is a byproduct of a cement kiln. The Molybdenum would come from the steel belted tires they fed into the kiln for fuel. They tossed in tires and the steel belting would just melt and become part of the clinker. The vaporised lead would come from the car batteries they disposed of in the kiln. The kiln temperatures are high enough to accomplish everything mentioned in the paper. If you want iron micro spheres this is the perfect machine for making them. The iron falls through the flame becomes molten and solidifies into a sphere. Dusty, one of the truthers from the past, had a chunk of fireproofing from the Trade Centers. She hung it on a ribbon and held a magnet next to it. (she was trying to prove it was dustified steel). It defiantly had iron in it. The iron spheres and all the other crap mentioned in the paper was imbedded in the fire proofing. When the fireproofing turned to dust it released the them. After all the mineral wool from the fire proofing was mentioned in the report, was it not? Why shouldn't the other stuff imbedded in the fire proofing also be there. |
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