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Old 8th September 2016, 02:25 AM   #561
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Ultimately, I can't help but trust Astaneh's expert opinion. "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center".
Well, we know that there was eutectic melting of girders due to the mixture of chemicals released in the long-lasting fires, so I don't think anyone has much of an issue with that statement in its proper context.

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Well, we know that there was eutectic melting of girders due to the mixture of chemicals released in the long-lasting fires, so I don't think anyone has much of an issue with that statement in its proper context.

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Is this melting or corrosion? Or both? The thinned out steel webs look like aggressive corrosion not melting to me...

What do you think it is and what was the cause?
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Is this melting or corrosion? Or both? The thinned out steel webs look like aggressive corrosion not melting to me...
That's mainly a question of terminology. Corrosion creates eutectics, eutectics melt.

To be honest, Astaneh-Asl's quote is a little perplexing. Adding previous sentences, he said,

"Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center."

I've often wondered whether the last sentence was mis-transcribed, and dropped the word "no" from before "melting", because as it stands the quote makes no sense. But of course, for a conspiracy theorist, it's forbidden to question any small excerpt from a quote that seems to support the conspiracy theory, even if it only does so when taken out of context.

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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
There are many hypothetical ways that particles like that could be found somewhere in the dust.
Exactly.
Which is precisely why finding such particles is not evidence of a thermite reaction at all.
I am glad you understand so easily what appears to be an unintelligible concept to Jones, Harrit and Basile.
Then again, Basile's test proposal does not mention looking for micro spheres, so apparently not even he considers them as of value in telling thermite apart from mundane materials such as paint or rust.

(Bolding intended to remind posters what this thread is about)
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
That's mainly a question of terminology. Corrosion creates eutectics, eutectics melt.

To be honest, Astaneh-Asl's quote is a little perplexing. Adding previous sentences, he said,

"Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center."

I've often wondered whether the last sentence was mis-transcribed, and dropped the word "no" from before "melting", because as it stands the quote makes no sense. But of course, for a conspiracy theorist, it's forbidden to question any small excerpt from a quote that seems to support the conspiracy theory, even if it only does so when taken out of context.

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Dave, check out the PBS video of Astaneh saying it. He's differentiating between the melting he saw at the World Trade Center and the ordinary warping he's seeing at the collapsed overpass. It's almost as if Astaneh is an expert on steel who knows the difference.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Dave, check out the PBS video of Astaneh saying it. He's differentiating between the melting he saw at the World Trade Center and the ordinary warping he's seeing at the collapsed overpass. It's almost as if Astaneh is an expert on steel who knows the difference.
Ah, right, that makes more sense. As we know there was eutectic melting of girders in WTC7, that's probably what he was talking about.

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Dave, check out the PBS video of Astaneh saying it. He's differentiating between the melting he saw at the World Trade Center and the ordinary warping he's seeing at the collapsed overpass. It's almost as if Astaneh is an expert on steel who knows the difference.
But you failed to ask him, and the steel he found was not melted, it was corroded, learned after it was analysed. And it corroded after 9/11. Thus you failed to do research, and remain a follower, not a doer.

There was no melting of steel on 9/11, you can't produce evidence. Astaneh was talking about corrosion in fire at 1000C he found. What is your point.

Do you think steel melts at 1000C, that is the temperature after studying the sample was found to be the highest temperature, not the temperature required to melt steel.

Thus corrosion if fire at first looks like melting, but there was no pool of steel, of iron form the melting, it corroded in fire. Do you always call rust melting?

Make my day, ask Astaneh what he thinks now. But you will not take action, you will troll and post BS, you don't care about the truth, your actions are indicative of someone who does not care 19 terrorists murdered thousands. So you make up or repeat lies about 9/11. 15 years of failure based on lies.
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Bump:

I figure while the only remaining spokesperson for this "study" is currently posting here (Ziggi), he might comment on the lack of progress and status of the money raised.
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Bump:

I figure while the only remaining spokesperson for this "study" is currently posting here (Ziggi), he might comment on the lack of progress and status of the money raised.

It's been a very long time and yet, he can't produce the evidence that 9/11 Truthers were looking for. I wonder why!
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It is mid October, are we getting an update anytime soon? According to aneta.org and a poster by the name of ziggi, we should have already been informed of the progress.
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It is mid October, are we getting an update anytime soon? According to aneta.org and a poster by the name of ziggi, we should have already been informed of the progress.
I sent a blood hound out searching for him, but it died laughing at the truthers who donated to
His study.
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So still no results yet?
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
So still no results yet?
There's no reason to think there will ever be any results.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
So still no results yet?
Are you looking for what the ROI is on where Mark Basile put the money?
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Are you looking for what the ROI is on where Mark Basile put the money?
I'm not convinced Basile saw any money.

There has never been any actual accounting and none of the alleged contributors have come forward looking for results or repayment for contributions.

Is there really any evidence this study wasn't a hoax from the start?
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I'm not convinced Basile saw any money.

There has never been any actual accounting and none of the alleged contributors have come forward looking for results or repayment for contributions.

Is there really any evidence this study wasn't a hoax from the start?
If Basile hadn't received any money, I'm pretty sure he would have said something. This thing goes back to 2009, at least.
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If Basile hadn't received any money, I'm pretty sure he would have said something. This thing goes back to 2009, at least.
He was probably eaten by the Zombies in the dead truth movement.
Poor Mark, nothing to see here thermite was always impossible, and nonsensical.
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It's now November 2016, and still no evidence from Mark Basile.
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I believe he spent the money on booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets...LOL
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I believe he spent the money on booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets...LOL
...and the rest he spent foolishly.
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I believe he spent the money on booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets...LOL
OK on the booze. The rest I would have spent on pizza, hookers, and high-grade weed.
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OK on the booze. The rest I would have spent on pizza, hookers, and high-grade weed.

To think he might have actually wasted the money trying to duplicate the fallacy that is Jones Harrit is very saddening. Beer, weed, and Hookers would have been a much better choice for money donated free from fools.
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It's now December 2016. Still no update from Mark Basile.
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It's now December 2016. Still no update from Mark Basile.
That will happen on the 32nd day of the 13th month of the year Never....
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It's now December 2016, and still no evidence from Mark Basile.
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http://www.markbasile.org/

His freakin' website 404's now. What's going on here?
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http://www.markbasile.org/

His freakin' website 404's now. What's going on here?
Worked for me.
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http://www.markbasile.org/

His freakin' website 404's now. What's going on here?
9/11 truth claims are fantasy - maybe mark found no profit in spreading lies mocking the murder of thousands by 19 idiots for UBL
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It's not working for me. Might as well be down. So it's been like 3 years, can they just get away with it?
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Worked for me.
They claim they simply don't have enough dust.
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They claim they simply don't have enough dust.
The website isn't up for me. Does it seriously say that?
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Worked for me.
Not working for me either. You might be accessing a cached version in your browser.
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The website isn't up for me. Does it seriously say that?
Down for me too, from multiple locations.

Boy, his donors sure are going to appreciate getting those refund checks so close to the holidays.
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Not working for me either. You might be accessing a cached version in your browser.
Never visited the site that I remember, but I just tried from another computer and got :
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Sounds like a domain problem. Rick is known for forgetting to renew the domains in due time.

But actually, markbasile.org is just a container to display this page:

http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/

Does that one work for those who said it didn't work for them?

Edit: Well, JDH says aneta.org is the problem, so that will probably fail too. It's working for me from two locations (my home and my hosting provider) and Google's DNS is resolving it, so I can't confirm the failure.

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Sounds like a domain problem. Rick is known for forgetting to renew the domains in due time.

But actually, markbasile.org is just a container to display this page:

http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/

Does that one work for those who said it didn't work for them?

Edit: Well, JDH says aneta.org is the problem, so that will probably fail too. It's working for me from two locations (my home and my hosting provider) and Google's DNS is resolving it, so I can't confirm the failure.
That worked for me.
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That worked for me.
Must be up and down. It just worked for me again. Seems a website issue.
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
Sounds like a domain problem. Rick is known for forgetting to renew the domains in due time.

But actually, markbasile.org is just a container to display this page:

http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/

Does that one work for those who said it didn't work for them?

Edit: Well, JDH says aneta.org is the problem, so that will probably fail too. It's working for me from two locations (my home and my hosting provider) and Google's DNS is resolving it, so I can't confirm the failure.
It must feel pretty disappointing for Rick to still renew the domain after all of this time. I remember a few months ago he edited the website to say "Do not donate anymore. Basile has not fulfilled his obligations" or something like that before I guess he was talked out of it.
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It must feel pretty disappointing for Rick to still renew the domain after all of this time. I remember a few months ago he edited the website to say "Do not donate anymore. Basile has not fulfilled his obligations" or something like that before I guess he was talked out of it.
That was April 26th, nearly 8 months ago. Basile was "working on it" and "doing the best I can" according to the recording Rick passive aggressively posted on the site.

8 months later and not a peep. This whole endeavor passed the farce stage quite some time ago.
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That was April 26th, nearly 8 months ago. Basile was "working on it" and "doing the best I can" according to the recording Rick passive aggressively posted on the site.

8 months later and not a peep. This whole endeavor passed the farce stage quite some time ago.
Well what's gonna happen now? Are we just gonna let them get away with that?
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