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22nd January 2017, 09:08 AM | #681 |
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Thanks for documenting that
a) funds were solicited and many sent in before Chris relayed Millette's intention to publish a paper b) this is explictly not included in what Millette is being contracted and payed for out of the donations, but a goodie on top c) Chris hoped that there will be a reviewed paper in the end So I was right: Ziggi lied about Chris "promising" a reviewed paper. He never did such a thing, nor did I, and certainly neither of us did in connection with soliciting funds. Thanks again for your effort, Criteria! You Truthers can always be dependet on to debunk yourselves |
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22nd January 2017, 09:09 AM | #682 |
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22nd January 2017, 09:11 AM | #683 |
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22nd January 2017, 09:21 AM | #684 |
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The attempt to pin a "he did it too", even if true, on Millette, would not change the fact that Basile has not produced as promised. It does not address my questions above concerning ziggi's claim that no one knew it would take 3+ years.
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22nd January 2017, 03:15 PM | #685 |
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The "lab report", the paper, debunks the liars in 9/11 truth. Jones made up thermite with no evidence, and he was fired for spreading lies. Gullible followers of 9/11 truth take it on faith, and ignore the fact Jones paper lied about thermite. Reading comprehension is required, and exposes the conclusion for thermite in the Jones vanity journal paper of woo is not supported by the evidence and statements found in the paper.
Have someone read the paper for you, so you can see the conclusion has no foundation except in the failed paranoid conspiracy mind of Jones, fired for going nuts on 9/11. Where is Jones now? Jones best work is about Christ walking in the New World; better work than his thermite fraud. |
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24th January 2017, 12:52 PM | #686 |
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Ziggi edited this blog post and added the following:
"Clarification: An independent lab will double-check results, and the donated money goes to independent tests as advertised. Mr. Basile will contact us when the independent testing has concluded."Ok, I am glad they are still at least talking about labs. Doesn't help their questionable legal position much. Mark promised, when donation were solicited, that he would let independent labs do all the tests, and that he would report whatever the labs found. That the lab test would be "blind tests", i.e. the labs would not get a hint of what results to get. Now the deal is changed to that he will only report what he finds, and the labs will be told what to find. This is akin to saying "I test and test and test until I happen on a set of data that can be construed as confirming my bias, and then hire a lab to confirm my bias". Ziggi essentially announced Basile's intention to commit scientific fraud. |
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24th January 2017, 01:32 PM | #687 |
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Ziggi is making it up as he goes along. The chance of anything scientific coming out of this next to nil.
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24th January 2017, 01:42 PM | #688 |
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Has Rich Shaddock had anything to say on the study lately? At one time he was trying to get the money back from Mark and do his own study (as per the original promise).
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24th January 2017, 01:53 PM | #689 |
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27th February 2017, 02:18 PM | #690 |
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I just looked over the "Proposal for Labs to Study the Building Fire Dust" located on the http://www.markbasile.org/ site and saw this, which I found interesting...
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The months click by and still no progress..........
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27th April 2017, 05:49 AM | #692 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does find a paint at world trade center that can be ignited in an inert atmosphere, because I found a paint that was there that contained aluminum.
Red Aluminum metal flake paint, Some of it has a base similar to Laclade. It was commonly used on motor cycles, cars and fire engines. So potential for it's existence in the buildings is there though it would be very rare. |
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The sun will burn out in a few billion years and I hope that he will have completed his study by then. |
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Wow how time flies. Another month goes by and still no progress reported.
Seven and a half years ago when Mark requested quotes on costs for tests seems like yesterday............. |
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10th June 2017, 11:38 AM | #700 |
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Correction:
Ziggi made that clarification in a separate blog post on January 22, 2017 - two days after I made the first of the quoted posts above: http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017...gray-chip.html |
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12th June 2017, 12:10 PM | #701 |
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So how long has it been exactly since the $5000 was provided to Mark Basile?
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12th June 2017, 12:30 PM | #702 |
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I don't think anyone knows for sure. There has not really been anything that comes close to transparency in this matter (or this study).
If we assume the money was transferred immediately after the goal ($5000) was raised it would be Jan, 2014. |
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12th June 2017, 02:40 PM | #704 |
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This is too funny...
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26th July 2017, 09:24 AM | #705 |
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The occasion for this bump is a comment written today on 911Blogger by dtg86 (whose real name I think I knew at some time, but forgot; dtg are almost certainly initials). He is a bona fide truther, from what I have read in the past: Happily convinced of the "explosive demolitions after 4 plane crashes" teaching of the Truth Denomination that's most in line with 911Blogger, but not without some critical capacity.
Originally Posted by dtg86
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2nd August 2017, 06:18 AM | #706 |
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Mark Basile has chosen September to release his update. http://911debunkers.blogspot.ca/2017...ming-soon.html |
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2nd August 2017, 09:15 AM | #708 |
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16 years of lies
Will it be released to Alex Jones, the hero of 9/11 truth cult members.
When will 9/11 truth give up the 9/11 was an inside job failed tagline... Another fake study by 9/11 truth nuts, just in time to celebrate 16 years spreading lies and dumbed down claims. How long does a fake study take? The web site you posted is super woo. 9/11 debunkers web site is extra credit paranoid nonsense, dumbed down with anti-science rhetoric. Why are all 9/11 truth web sites spreading lies tailored to match the overwhelming ignorance of the 9/11 truth believers and failed followers. Like Alex Jones but with better click bait and ads. 16 years of BS from 9/11 truth - a fake movement that claims to have "overwhelming evidence", which is never posted. Where is 9/11 truth hiding this "evidence". |
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2nd August 2017, 09:40 AM | #709 |
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We should quote that blog post fully:
Originally Posted by Ziggi
Remember that 4 (four!) years ago, Basile had informed participants of the "9/11 Truth Teleconference" that collecting $5000 was only a first step, that ideally he'd need closer to $10,000 to have the independent lab tests done that are necessary to move the science forward http://houston911truth.net/audio/073113.wav I'll quote from 04:43 minutes:
Originally Posted by Mark Basile July 2013
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2nd August 2017, 11:16 AM | #710 |
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Thanks, Oystein. When i read Criteria's pist my first question was "September this year?"
Your quote confirms that at least it will be this year. |
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Just LOL. If Ziggi were serious about doing the right thing, he would just contact all of the donors directly and offer the money back. Making a blog post that all of 10 people will ever see doesn't help the people he and Mark stole from.
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Can I assume Ziggi is now in control/possession of the money?
Last I heard on the money was, Rick Shaddock trying to get it back so he could start a real independent study. Where is the money Ziggi? I'm sure a person of Ziggi's stature wouldn't mind posting a deposit statement. |
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11th August 2017, 07:27 PM | #713 |
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Now that Ziggi has delurked, perhaps he can quickly attend this question:
Also, I said upthread that offering to return the money means that there are no longer plans to spend the money on necessary and competent independent lab tests. That, in other words, Basile and Ziggi have given up on the study. Ziggi could comment on that as well. I will of course take silence as an (affirmative) answer. |
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27th September 2017, 12:42 PM | #714 |
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September is almost over (and past the six weeks promised). I'm sure Mark is waiting to the last day, for dramatic effect...............
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27th September 2017, 02:05 PM | #715 |
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Doesn't anyone else have this feeling about these promises? https://www.zazzle.co.nz/keeping_an_...29174903737235
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27th September 2017, 05:17 PM | #717 |
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No need to REFUTE the hollow promises of 9/11 truth nuts, it is their destiny to fail
This is sad, no science, no clue... saving this post in text, once they wake up to reality at DtD, they might delete the blog of woo.
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That is funny, a web site based on the complete ignorance of science, logic, an reason. Debunking the Debunkers, textbook Psychological projection. Good job DTD, winners in your own minds. Where is it? about 6 weeks is gone, what now? What will the failed 9/11 truth movement do now? |
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27th September 2017, 05:46 PM | #718 |
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This was posted in September 2014:
That's strange - for Ziggi is a current, unbanned user, who joined this forum in February 2015: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...er.php?u=69674 (and who last was online September 07, btw) What did MM know what I don't know? |
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I reiterate my previously-stated LOL and reserve time six weeks later to LOL once more at these jokers.
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