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15th December 2015, 06:26 AM | #321 |
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Really since I don't smoke weed, or drink any more how is that?
I would note you have not offered to do an inert gas test of your own of the red grey chips Why do you wait on Basile why not test your own Ideas yourself? I could build you an vacuum chamber out of two inch pipe, with a plexiglass window. I could build you a crude vacuum pump too, if you don't have your own, why not put your Ideas too your own tests? |
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15th December 2015, 08:53 AM | #325 |
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Still available at the original URL: http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/
http://markbasile.org/ was just a wrapper that enclosed the above URL. |
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15th December 2015, 01:44 PM | #330 |
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The domain is owned by Rick Shaddock. It was updated today:
http://whois.domaintools.com/markbasile.org Rick has registered more than 200 domains. This is not the first time that one expired its annual lease and it took Rick a few days to fix that. Nothing dramatic to see here. |
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15th December 2015, 07:14 PM | #331 |
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And just to make sure this Aussie isn't confused - can I take that 12/10/15 to mean 10th December 2015?
(Comments about US date notation deleted. ) (I still need to remember that 9/11 means 11 Sept NOT 9 Nov..... after 8 years on forums. ) Comments about the "41" and old-timers memories expected.... |
15th December 2015, 07:28 PM | #332 |
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Yes - it is common. There is a delay period for late bill payers before the registration is finally terminated. 30 days from memory but that could vary with different registration agencies.
Happened to me with my domain a couple of times over the 12 years - the only clue was when no emails came for a couple of days. I tend to use my own server for any graphics I include in posts. Expediency when I started it Nov 2007. If I ever shut down the server/domain there are about 40000 posts on 6 or more forums that will lose the pretty piccies. This was my first graphic: |
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Bump.
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3rd February 2016, 08:49 AM | #334 |
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Another non update from Basile's page yesterday:
Mark received a new dust sample a couple of months ago and I know he started some work picking out things to study, meaning chips etc, and I know he continues to study samples in his spare time. He helped Richard Gage et al out at a recent conference, in Boston if I recall correctly, doing a couple of shifts at the AE911 booth, so he is still active in 911 truth, as much as time allows, and he did tell Richard that he is still working on the study. At the time he had not sent out samples for independent lab testing, but I do not know if something of that sort has happened since. I can tell you that Mark will most likely not be giving us regular updates, in the form of little progress reports, as we had initially planned. It just seems as if keeping any kind of schedule is not really an option for Mark, presumably due to time constraints. He did say at some point a few months ago that he was planning to take a little vacation to sort out the study, but that has not happened yet, as far as I know... It has always been extremely difficult to reach Mark but in recent months he has been even more reclusive than normal, and I suspect that a series of email/phone calling spamming from people I won´t mention is responsible for that. We will certainly notify our readers whenever we have something...and I would love to be able to give you some sort of a promise for results within a certain time-frame but I will have to refrain given past experience.. Last autumn Mark sounded like he was about to make a big push to get things done but then some things got in the way, and again he indicated to Richard in Boston that he is about to get things done...but still no news. Personally I am fairly optimistic that he will have results for us this year, but I am not making any promises. I hope this helps. This year??? |
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This is pure gold!
So a truther supposedly has evidence that could break this conspiracy wide open but can't be bothered to send this evidence to a lab for it to be tested and has had 5 years to do so! Twoofers have to be one of the most incompetent groups I've ever come across. These clowns couldn't even run a popsicle stand. |
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24th March 2016, 01:18 PM | #339 |
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I can't believe this thread fell off the first page. I suppose with all the new things coming out of the 9/11 "truth movement" some updates fall through the cracks..........
There's still this curious statement on the update page:
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24th March 2016, 08:03 PM | #340 |
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25th March 2016, 03:59 AM | #341 |
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Over 2 years and still nothing. I wonder if this now constitutes fraud. Basile has taken money but delivered nothing. Shouldn't he be looking to return the cash to the people who sent it in the first place?
It also shows you how little truthers actually care about getting independent analysis done. They scream blue murder about debunkers not doing experiments, but when one of their own obtains enough money to get this done, yet refuses to do so, they are oddly quiet even when they have lost money. It's about time a truther asked Basile for their money back. Anyone know what the legal situation regarding fraud is? |
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I cannot be specific BUT fraud requires a deliberate intent to secure an unlawful gain. i.e. possession of the money. I doubt it could be shown that the original intent was to obtain the money and not perform the analysis. What we see is extended delay but no expression of concern about the delay from the parties involved and no call from the donors for return of the money .
Although most jurisdictions recognise both criminal fraud and civil fraud I don't see any DA or DPP taking criminal action in this scenario. So all we seem to have at this stage is a failure to meet a contractual obligation. Within what seems to have been an implied time frame. (I'm running on memory - we may have more details but I haven't checked.) Whether fraud or none completion of contract the remedies lie in tort in the civil jurisdiction - and the parties with standing to take action are the persons who provided the funds. AKA the ball is in their court. |
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Both well put!
I agree with ozeco that it would be difficult to prove the intention part of fraud. There was, to my knowledge, never a specific time frame or due date that Basile committed himself to. Suggestion about how long things might take, hopes and expectations, but always with the caveat implied that you can never know what problems you might run into. I am not even sure that Basile is under a contractual obligation. We do not really know the donors.
If they don't pursue Basile legally, no one will. But it's an asset. I have a feeling that a slowly growing number of influential truthers has already started scaling back the emphasize of the "nanothermite evidence" amongst their weaponry, as it seems to be dawning on them that it is much less solid than they used to believe. |
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The common law elements of contract seem to be present. - offer, acceptance and some valuable consideration which makes it binding.
That assumes two things: 1) The "deal" was direct between the donors and Basile - no intervening "agent"; AND 2) The proof of contract has not been altered by statute in whatever jurisdiction the action would be taken. (Probably Basile's home state.) |
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I am not exactly sure what the content of the offer was, whether the donors conclusively accepted the content of that offer by donating, and whether the consideration meets the requirements of a common law contract:
"In common law it is a prerequisite that both parties offer consideration before a contract can be thought of as binding."[WP] What happened here is Basile announcing publicly - but through a website administeed by Shaddock, and blogs by others (JM Talboo etc), that he would hire external labs and have them do certain tests specifically listed once he has $5000. Now people, some of them probably anonymous, donated money. Basile did not promise them a legal benefit. Is a donation not a kind of gift? We are here looking at a crowdfunding initiative, with Rick Shaddock being the moderator (although I heard that some of the money went directly to an account in Basile's possession, Basile did not himself communicate this, afaik). Unfortunately, WP does not discuss the contractual topology of crowdfunding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdfunding |
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Yes - provide a service for a fee.
That is what I hinted at by "direct" and "agent". AKA who was the "deal" with/between. Could be - the status is detail specific. My point about statute in the relevant jurisdiction. I didn't even refer to my law books which are all AU except a couple on US constitutional law . |
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No need to dive deeper here, I think.
My remark "I am not even sure that Basile is under a contractual obligation" remains standing, but I note your comments, appreciating the fact that you have some formal training plus lifelong exposure to a common law jurisdiction, both of which I lack. Can we agree on "Basile is probably under a contractual obligation to eventually deliver the lab tests, but there's a chance that, owing to details of the case or the legal specifics in his jurisdiction (New Hampshire, iirc), he may be not"? And anyway, this won't be tested in a court unless any donors take it to court, which is unlikely to happen. Something about eyes and crows... |
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Thanks folks. I think Basile's study is in effect dead and buried.
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To throw a little conspiracy into this thread. When was the last or the first time Mark actually posted or confirmed his involvement in this project? I'm talking about actual communication. I've seen lots of post from people saying they talked to him but when was his last confirmed statement?
Ziggy took over as his spokesperson over a year ago no one knows how he got appointed to that position. Odd how the people that paid the money don't wonder about these things. |
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Bump.
Just to keep it on the first page. I'm sure at this point "truthers" just want to forget about this fail. |
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FF persists in denying "Due Process" and "Rule of Law" - so there is no way he can support a new investigation - either by his rules which self destruct OR by "OUR" rules which he denies.
He's caught - hoist by his own petard - either way. Is that "Catch 22?" If so he put himself into it. |
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