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Old 26th October 2013, 02:03 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Corsair 115 View Post
After comparing the video in the OP with other videos of PBYs on YouTube, it's not a Catalina. The ratio of the wingspan to the fuselage is wrong for it to be a PBY.
Could the camera angle be throwing that off? Not arguing the point. Just asking.
It sure looks good to me, and would account for the apparent lack of undercarriage.
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Old 26th October 2013, 02:39 PM   #42
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Douglas O-46

I still think the Douglas is a good candidate. It has the tapered parasol wing and distinctive tail shape. The apparant lack of landing gear is, I believe, a result of push processing of the film. The O-46 is correct for the late thirties wargames held in the old south.
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Old 26th October 2013, 03:53 PM   #43
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I think those who are saying Stinson O-49 could be on the right track if the video clip really is Louisiana War Games in 1941



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Old 26th October 2013, 03:59 PM   #44
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I still think the Douglas is a good candidate. It has the tapered parasol wing and distinctive tail shape. The apparant lack of landing gear is, I believe, a result of push processing of the film. The O-46 is correct for the late thirties wargames held in the old south.
I think we have a winner here. I was not familiar with the O-46, but it fits very well.
I withdraw the PBY. I think the 46 wins over the Stinson based on the high raised wing.
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Old 26th October 2013, 04:28 PM   #45
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Found the original clip; it's from a USAAF newsreel of the Carolina maneuvers of 1941.

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The newsreel starts at 1:08:37; the clip in question starts at 1:10:30. However, the planes can be seen in several earlier clips; they're definitely some sort of US observation aircraft standing in for bombers.
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Old 26th October 2013, 04:56 PM   #46
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Curtiss O-52..
I loved the aerobatic Ford Trimotor at the beginning!
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Old 26th October 2013, 05:10 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by I Ratant View Post
Curtiss O-52..
I loved the aerobatic Ford Trimotor at the beginning!

Yeah, that was cool. I also liked "Yes, sir, that's good old horse cavalry. Some experts say they'll go where tanks and mechanized units can't."

(and yes, I know that some NATO SF units use horses in Afghanistan)
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From this angle they're pretty beefy (assuming it's the same set of planes.)



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Old 26th October 2013, 05:49 PM   #49
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Curtiss O-52..

It would explain the lack of visible landing gear.

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...and the winner is ...not me. Not PBY. Not O-46. Not Louisiana. That was kind of fun though. Nice work, Spitfire!
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I agree. The clearer film Spitfire found definately looks like the O-52.
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Fine work men! That's a three day pass for all of you
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...and the winner is ...not me. Not PBY. Not O-46. Not Louisiana. That was kind of fun though. Nice work, Spitfire!

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How I miss the old-fashioned newsreel. They knew better than to stun their audiences with droning upper bodies.
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Jeez, it does not seem like seven years since I first posted this thread.

I have another one, though I suspect I already know the answer. These photos are from a bunch of B&W 120 6x9 medium format negatives brought in by a customer of mine. The other images show various scenes of bomb damage such as collapsed buildings, busted railway wagons and blown-up tracks around the area of Nuremberg at the end of WW2 (we know its Nuremberg because one of the images is of a soldier holding a sign that says "Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof"

However, these two pictures caught my eye...





At first glance, some guys in a military uniform pictured with an American aircraft of some type... except, I don't think its American.

Firstly if it is American, its of a type I have never seen before, and secondly, it looks remarkably like a Messerschmitt Bf-108 Taifun. The curved corner on the rearmost window is distinctive, and I think I can see the faint outlines of the original Luftwaffe insignia that have been covered over by the USAAF markings. Could this be a captured Bf 108?

I know that Bf-108D variants were used as liaison aircraft in southern Germany at the end of WW2, so geographically, that fits. Also, I think that odd looking bladed nose on the spinner was used on that variant (I think it was to do with the variable speed propeller)

I'd be interested if some of our WW2 experts here can tell me if I'm on the right track.

Here are some links to higher resolution images..

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From wiki



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messer...itt_Bf_108.jpg

Includes the propeller detail.

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From wiki



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messer...itt_Bf_108.jpg

Includes the propeller detail.

Yep, I was onto that before I posted, but I missed seeing the Swiss one with the weird spinner.

I had read somewhere that one of these things was captured, along with a Luftwaffe aircraft machanic who they pressed into service to help keep this and other captured German aircraft in service.
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Yep, I was onto that before I posted, but I missed seeing the Swiss one with the weird spinner.

I had read somewhere that one of these things was captured, along with a Luftwaffe aircraft machanic who they pressed into service to help keep this and other captured German aircraft in service.
Not sure about the Me 108, but Eric Brown had two Luftwaffe mechanics and a Seibel 204D which he used to tour Germany whilst collecting captured aircraft for assessment back in the UK
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The fins on the spinner are common on Argus engines. You'll see them a lot on Wf-189s as well.
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The fins on the spinner are common on Argus engines. You'll see them a lot on Wf-189s as well.
Something in my memory tells me they are blades that turn the spinner to operate the prop feathering oil pump.
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Originally Posted by Aber View Post
From that wiki...

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United States Army Air Corps - A single Bf 108B was purchased by the U.S. Military Attaché for Air in the spring of 1939 for $14,378 and designated XC-44. It was repossessed by the Nazi government in December 1941 (after having been condemned in November).
I wonder if that's the one, before it was repoed by the Nazi's?
Wouldn't "Nazi-Repo Man" would make a great villain?
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