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Old 16th July 2018, 06:29 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
And I think we should take the Elon Musk challenge. He says his sub will get all the way through the five chambers. Let's put him in it and have a go. The caves are still there and all nicely flooded. The tee intersection with the space his sub cannot maneuver through is still there. Let's strap Elon in and show the world.

I would agree, but I really don't want to see Elon Musk go out like this, turning into just another ******* whose too-easily-bruised ego made them lose any sense of humility.

I would prefer him to just accept that he's human too and makes mistakes and gets back to doing awesome science and technology work.
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Old 16th July 2018, 06:42 PM   #562
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The Musk rescue submarine has Pedo Protection. It's made as an all-metal capsule and so once inside a sedated boy is protected from any groping by pedo rescue divers. The set up that was actually used could possibly allow a pedo Seal to touch the boys in an improper sexual manner during the rescue procedure.
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Old 16th July 2018, 06:45 PM   #563
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I would prefer him to just accept that he's human too and makes mistakes and gets back to doing awesome science and technology work.
This would also be a way to get Papa John back into the awesome pizza empire business.
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Old 16th July 2018, 06:51 PM   #564
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Did you mean to say "we have worse"?
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Old 16th July 2018, 07:28 PM   #565
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Once he started using the word *pedophile* for another man who was also bringing his resources and ideas to the party,he crossed a line, but he gets a leave pass because he claimed he helped rescue the kids?

Please explain the difference between the two paragraphs.
Timimg. Maybe I have it wrong, but I thought the diver cast the first stone.
I also thought that Musk asked if he should continue to build his machine, and was told to carry on. It all looked like good faith.
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Old 16th July 2018, 07:45 PM   #566
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Timimg. Maybe I have it wrong, but I thought the diver cast the first stone.
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Calling someone a self-promoting jerk is one thing, accusing someone of one of the vilest crimes is way something else. And it's actionable.
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1. It wasn't an 'extraordinary and vile insult'.
2. Musk had no business in getting involved.
3. Musk's sub was a very stupid idea.
4. His intervention was a distraction from vital and supremely difficult work.
5. Musk is often a colossal twat when he strays from his areas of expertise.
6. Unsworth was probably stressed and tired before the twatmeister intervened with an ignorant and dangerous rescue concept.
7. Maybe Unsworth was pretty irritated at Musk for trying to grab some glory.

When it comes to blame here I'm rating it 99-1 on Musk's side.
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Old 16th July 2018, 08:50 PM   #568
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Timimg. Maybe I have it wrong, but I thought the diver cast the first stone.
Musk cast the first stone two days prior when he denigrated the official in charge of the rescue operation on Twitter, calling his competence and status into question for no other reason than that the official had said in response to a press question that they decided not to use the sub because it was "impractical".
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Old 16th July 2018, 09:37 PM   #569
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So has Musk released the video of how his sub would have worked yet?
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
I can't see any world where the diver's comments would go unnoticed except this forum.
Once he started using anal references for another man who was also bringing his resources and ideas to the party,he crossed a line, but he gets a leave pass because he helped rescue the kids?
His exact words were that Musk, "can stick his submarine where it hurts." I daresay a submarine in the eye or ear would hurt. Responding with an accusation of peadophilia is many magnitudes higher on the scale of insults.

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His exact words were that Musk, "can stick his submarine where it hurts." I daresay a submarine in the eye or ear would hurt. Responding with an accusation of peadophilia is many magnitudes higher on the scale of insults.
My homework is incomplete, so I provisionally withdraw my conclusions, but there is a thread bias to minimise the insult by the British diver and maximise that of the South African/American trailblazer.
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My homework is incomplete, so I provisionally withdraw my conclusions, but there is a thread bias to minimise the insult by the British diver and maximise that of the South African/American trailblazer.
No minimisation or maximisation is needed. Someone being told to "stick/shove" something is self-evidently exceptionally minor in comparison to calling someone a paedophile.
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Old 17th July 2018, 06:24 AM   #573
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So has Musk released the video of how his sub would have worked yet?
The claim was bluster to cover his embarrassment. If he proves me wrong I'll donate £100 to a recognised charity.
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My homework is incomplete, so I provisionally withdraw my conclusions, but there is a thread bias to minimise the insult by the British diver and maximise that of the South African/American trailblazer.
The only bias is a bias towards reality. Saying that someone can stick something somewhere painful, or where the sun doesn't shine, is a well-established, fairly mild, expression of one's opinion of the thing in question, and, to a lesser extent, of the person. Calling someone a paedophile is a serious allegation and slanderous if not true.
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Has he apologized yet?
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The only bias is a bias towards reality. Saying that someone can stick something somewhere painful, or where the sun doesn't shine, is a well-established, fairly mild, expression of one's opinion of the thing in question, and, to a lesser extent, of the person.
And yet it is still very much uncivil. Here on ISF you break the civility rule if you tell another member to shove it where it hurts. Yellow card.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
And yet it is still very much uncivil. Here on ISF you break the civility rule if you tell another member to shove it where it hurts. Yellow card.
I'd guess that calling someone a 'pedo' would result in an instant banning.
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I'd guess that calling someone a 'pedo' would result in an instant banning.
I recollect some thread(s) here where a person(s) was called a pedo based on their position on some topic or support for someone. No banning.
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And yet it is still very much uncivil. Here on ISF you break the civility rule if you tell another member to shove it where it hurts. Yellow card.
It would very much depend on context, and exactly what was said.
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And yet it is still very much uncivil. Here on ISF you break the civility rule if you tell another member to shove it where it hurts. Yellow card.
Yeah, but that's not going to hurt, like a real live submarine would.
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Yeah, but that's not going to hurt, like a real live submarine would.
Stop, I'm getting excited.
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It would very much depend on context, and exactly what was said.
No, it doesn't. Using a colloquial expression to call somebody a jerk is one thing; accusing him of a terrible crime is something else. No "context" excuses that.
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No, it doesn't. Using a colloquial expression to call somebody a jerk is one thing; accusing him of a terrible crime is something else. No "context" excuses that.
I think you need to re-read the post I was replying to.
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I'm NOT looking to excuse Elon, especially after doubling down; and he should have watched his language in the first place, so...

Is it possible that South African colloquialisms include "pedo boy" the way we Americans have long thrown around the epithet "faggot"?

It's a phrase/wording I've never heard, so I have to ask.
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So ignoring Musk's bizarre behavior, is there actually any problem with the sub? In the photos, it appears very small and is said to be only 12.2" in diameter. I can't imagine the stretcher they used was much smaller.
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So ignoring Musk's bizarre behavior, is there actually any problem with the sub? In the photos, it appears very small and is said to be only 12.2" in diameter. I can't imagine the stretcher they used was much smaller.
I guess we'll find out when Musk releases the video he said he was going to release.
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It still could work but its usage be impractical since, having only one, they would not be able to daisy-chain/production line the kids. Sending the torpedo all the way back into the cave (which takes just as long) to pick up another kid. One kid per day with the water rising?
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It still could work but its usage be impractical since, having only one, they would not be able to daisy-chain/production line the kids. Sending the torpedo all the way back into the cave (which takes just as long) to pick up another kid. One kid per day with the water rising?
A lot of people thought the kids might be stuck there for months, until the end of the rainy season. In that time frame, one per day seemed reasonable.
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A lot of people thought the kids might be stuck there for months, until the end of the rainy season. In that time frame, one per day seemed reasonable.
Until the rains came and the water started to rise, making a fast resolution of the situation more and more important.
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It still could work but its usage be impractical since, having only one, they would not be able to daisy-chain/production line the kids. Sending the torpedo all the way back into the cave (which takes just as long) to pick up another kid. One kid per day with the water rising?
It didn't take long to make, more could have been sent but by that time the rescue method had been decided.
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So ignoring Musk's bizarre behavior, is there actually any problem with the sub? In the photos, it appears very small and is said to be only 12.2" in diameter. I can't imagine the stretcher they used was much smaller.
The rescue team said it would have been too long to get round some of the bends in the tunnel. Also the escape route was mainly dry ground and the sub would have added to the weight that had to be carried. The sub was stated to weigh around 90lbs.

It certainly looks like more than 5' long and 12.2" diameter, but there's no good reference object in this photo.

eta: and the photos of it in the pool show an air tank and other equipment strapped to its side, adding to the diameter and I'd guess at serious risk of snagging. It would also be very difficult to get a kid out of it in a hurry if there were a problem.

It's a clever idea, but ill-judged and unwanted.
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It seems inaccurate to refer to that object as a submarine, really. Rescue pod or capsule would better describe it.
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Unsworth’s first of expertise is instrumental in rescuing the boys on the cave. Who gives a crap about Musk’s “ambitions” in this case? His ambitions are worthless.

And what do you suppose “pedo” means apart from being a “pedophile”? And if Musk’s tweets were so deserving of approbation and weren’t libelous, why do you think Musk deleted them?

Musk will do one of two things now:
Apologize profusely and unequivocally and/or
Get sued.
Well, he has apologized unequivocally now:
Elon Musk apologises to Thai cave diver for Twitter attack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44870303
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Well, he has apologized unequivocally now:
Elon Musk apologises to Thai cave diver for Twitter attack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44870303
Still being a bit of dick, given the strange wording of his "apology":

"As this well-written article suggests, my words were spoken in anger after Mr. Unsworth said several untruths & suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub, which had been built as an act of kindness & according to specifications from the dive team leader."

As has be mostly established, being told to "stick" or "shove" something isn't polite, but few would interpret it in the way Musk is claiming to. If that was genuinely his immediate interpretation, that might explain the escalation in his response, but it still seems a pretty weird first thought.
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..., but few would interpret it in the way Musk is claiming to.
And you were doing so well up to that point. SMH.
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I'm sure Samson will be back to acknowledge that Musk said exactly what many of us here, said.

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Still being a bit of dick, given the strange wording of his "apology":

"As this well-written article suggests, my words were spoken in anger after Mr. Unsworth said several untruths & suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub, which had been built as an act of kindness & according to specifications from the dive team leader."

As has be mostly established, being told to "stick" or "shove" something isn't polite, but few would interpret it in the way Musk is claiming to. If that was genuinely his immediate interpretation, that might explain the escalation in his response, but it still seems a pretty weird first thought.
By the same reasoning saying "go **** yourself" would be telling them to go masturbate.
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Old 18th July 2018, 04:40 AM   #598
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
Still being a bit of dick, given the strange wording of his "apology":

"As this well-written article suggests, my words were spoken in anger after Mr. Unsworth said several untruths & suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub, which had been built as an act of kindness & according to specifications from the dive team leader."

As has be mostly established, being told to "stick" or "shove" something isn't polite, but few would interpret it in the way Musk is claiming to. If that was genuinely his immediate interpretation, that might explain the escalation in his response, but it still seems a pretty weird first thought.
It is my first thought, and everyone who responds. It is unequivocal and inarguable, it is an anal suggestion.
And never, not ever, designed to continue a happy dialogue.
I am astonished at the obfuscation on the thread.

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Old 18th July 2018, 05:31 AM   #599
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
It is my first thought, and everyone who responds. It is unequivocal and inarguable, it is an anal suggestion.
I was given a suppository once, by consent, and never realised that I was engaged in an unequivocally and inarguably sexual act.
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Old 18th July 2018, 05:58 AM   #600
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
I was given a suppository once, by consent, and never realised that I was engaged in an unequivocally and inarguably sexual act.
And that's why, in English, "anal' and "sexual" are not synonyms (though he did "shove it up your ass").
What the hell dude?
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