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Old 25th September 2019, 11:09 AM   #241
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I have a niece who is a Rural Pediatrician in the Yukon. I asked:

"Is an all-animal diet still a thing? Do you see deficiency diseases? What kind?"

"Its not really a thing, they eat greens and berries all summer in addition to whatever meat they hunt. About a third do have CPT1a arctic variant deficiency which only became evident with western medicine and diet, as far people can tell."

CPT1 is an enzyme, Carnitine Palmitoyl(?) Transferase. It makes carnitine. Them Alaskan Natives have evolved to need the meat in their diet to get exogenous carnitine.
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Old 25th September 2019, 11:31 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
I have a niece who is a Rural Pediatrician in the Yukon. I asked:

"Is an all-animal diet still a thing? Do you see deficiency diseases? What kind?"

"Its not really a thing, they eat greens and berries all summer in addition to whatever meat they hunt. About a third do have CPT1a arctic variant deficiency which only became evident with western medicine and diet, as far people can tell."

CPT1 is an enzyme, Carnitine Palmitoyl(?) Transferase. It makes carnitine. Them Alaskan Natives have evolved to need the meat in their diet to get exogenous carnitine.
I was curious to learn more about the allele involved... the mutation is on chromosome 11 apparently. It sounds like what happened to our ancestors when we were able to get enough vitamin C through vegetables and lost the ability to synthesize it metabolically. A rich diet hides these knockouts.
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Old 25th September 2019, 02:30 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
I have a niece who is a Rural Pediatrician in the Yukon. I asked:

"Is an all-animal diet still a thing? Do you see deficiency diseases? What kind?"

"Its not really a thing, they eat greens and berries all summer in addition to whatever meat they hunt. About a third do have CPT1a arctic variant deficiency which only became evident with western medicine and diet, as far people can tell."

CPT1 is an enzyme, Carnitine Palmitoyl(?) Transferase. It makes carnitine. Them Alaskan Natives have evolved to need the meat in their diet to get exogenous carnitine.
I was rather surprised by the diet of the Sami people in arctic Sweden when I visited there.

Essentially reindeer/moose meat and berries.
No green vegetables, or any vegetables, because they just didn't have them available.

Surprisingly they have good (better?) rates of heart disease and cancer then many other "westernised" populations in Scandinavia.
Study here.

Rather confoundingly, the Sami have been advised to cut back on meat, especially organs, because of radioactive contamination in that food chain from Russian nuclear testing and Chernobyl fallout.

The result in this dietary change?
Obesity is on the increase as they consume more carbohydrates. Lifestyle changes, such as less physical work even by herders, is also noted as a contributing factor to obesity.
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Old 27th October 2019, 12:41 PM   #244
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Anybody else here hear about "grain free" dog foods causing Dilated Cardio Myopathy? Basically heart failure. Seems dogs (and people?) can make Taurine if given the right aminos to build from. So taurine is a non-essential amino acid. Besides, there is plenty of taurine in meat- unless the meat is cooked to death. If so, you need those building blocks, which are found in grains. So, feeding your dog "grain free" dog food might be killing it. Seems they make it grain free by substituting the grains with potatoes or beans.

I've always fed my dogs bulk cheap dry food, made of corn + meat by-products, PLUS some of whatever meat I have for dinner. Many compliments about white teeth and shiny coats.

There are many experts that say not to fed your pets "people food". I looked at the contents of the dry food- corn, meat by-products, beef fat- it's made from People Food! Lots cheaper than corn dogs too. I read up a bit more, seems the negativity of people food is cause by imbalanced diets- the bakers dog fed exclusively on bread, or people who feed them "table scraps", the fat the people won't eat. Or just tooo many calories.

Science just doesn't yet know about all the micronutrients and how they work together.

What to do with this knowledge? I've made sure I eat various carbs as well as various meats. Grits, oats, potatoes, rice, bread. Beef, chicken, pork, fish, livers. Too bad I just can't get myself to buy any veggies besides squash and beets.
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Old 27th October 2019, 01:23 PM   #245
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Dogs seemed to have thrived for decades on grain based dog chow, unnatural as it may seem..

Who knows what some of the underlying health issues might have been..
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Old 11th January 2020, 01:06 PM   #246
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Vegetarian mortality study

See minute 5-9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7KeRwdIH04

I don't know if it's the same study this whole thread is based on? 8,000 Vs for 18 years? The speaker didn't ID the study. Basically, Vegetarian/vegans do not life any longer. He is puzzled because the Vs have so much lower risk factor for heart disease- obesity, diabetes, cholesterol..? all that fiber, still get colon cancer.... At which point I had a thought:

If lowering those rates is of no benefit for the Vs, are lowering those risk factors any benefit for the rest of us?

Is there any real detriment to the American diet? or is there a flaw or bias in all those studies? I know there are many pills that lower cholesterol that show no benefit re: heart disease. Statins work some other way, if at all.

Though the speaker goes on to advocate B-12 and Flax seed oil for Vs. Hmm, now I need to look for mortality rates for differing Omega3 and B-12, because if that is a factor for Vs, mightn't they be a factor for us? Or again, more bias? I don't think any robust study has ever been done to show actual benefit to any anti-oxidant.

eta:https://nccih.nih.gov/health/omega3/...ction.htm#hed5 scroll down to the heart disease benefit. They mention a Meta study, 77,000 subjects. No benefit.
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Is there any real detriment to the American diet?
If you don't count obesity as a detriment..
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Vegans are killing bees now.

How can we stop this madness and their evil plan!!!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifes...eport.amp.html
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Old 11th January 2020, 06:01 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Vegans are killing bees now.

How can we stop this madness and their evil plan!!!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifes...eport.amp.html
But then too, the leftovers from the almond milk making process get fed to the cattle. Lose/Lose for the Veggans!
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If you don't count obesity as a detriment..
I don't. Only fat-shamers would. But the health consequences of obesity could be where the detriment lies. There are many different kinds of obesity, only the Apple Shaped is bad. Pear shaped is OK, body builder is counted as obese, yet is very different.

I did some more rooting around on the net. Seems the USFDA Food Pyramid is the culprit. It's not science based, and is used all over the world. And those folks at the FDA even requested industry to come out with low fat products. All without scientific studies. The low animal fat recommendation of 1961 primed us for the obesity epidemic that started with the 1980 Pyramid. Let meo back to the net for a book/talk, that backs that up.

ate: The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz | Why Butter, Meat and ...
https://thebigfatsurprise.com
Why Butter, Meat & Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet. Investigative journalist Nina Teicholz reveals the unthinkable: that everything we thought we knew about dietary fats is wrong.

Talk, the first 40 mins, then discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg
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...the health consequences of obesity could be where the detriment lies.
My only point.. No fat shaming.
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