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Old 14th October 2018, 02:47 PM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
What???????

Sweden had a death penalty until relatively recent times of ... execution by an axe.
What??????? are you blathering on about the death penalty for? No one here has mentioned it.

Try reading what has been written again. Norway, Sweden, Ireland and Canada are countries Amanda has been to since her acquittal or will be going to soon (as in Norway).

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How it's turned 360! Murderers are now feted and have their own fan clubs.

I know! Shame on the Guede fan clubs!

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Old 14th October 2018, 03:39 PM   #1442
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I know! Shame on the Guede fan clubs!

TJMK & their single-digit remaining Guede fans must be working frantically to finish filing Rudy's adoption papers. I mean, he is getting out pretty soon, right Vixen? Wonder which 2 lucky guilters will get to be the actual guardians?

And when this noble exercise in true justice has been put to bed, they can start working on restoration of the Swedish death penalty.
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Old 14th October 2018, 04:00 PM   #1443
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It's disgusting a convicted criminal should profit from off the backs of their crimes.

What a dysfunctional society we have become.
You keep forgetting that Amanda WAS ******* ACQUITTED!!!!!

Nothing dysfunctional about it. Desperation and Delusion has set in.
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Old 14th October 2018, 04:17 PM   #1444
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
What???????

Sweden had a death penalty until relatively recent times of ... execution by an axe.



How it's turned 360! Murderers are now feted and have their own fan clubs.
This post represents nothing short of a fetish for capital punishment, as well as and evidenceless obsession with only 1 person in the terrible murder of Meredith Kercher.

To make the post even more loopy, that 1 person was eventually acquitted of the charge. However, proof of this obsession is rare mention of the other co-accused who was also acquited, not to mention the other co-accused who was rightly and correctly convicted.

How many times can someone stick their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la-la-la-la as loudly as they can when presented with the ***Fact*** that both of the original prosecutors admit that the 2015 Italian Supreme Court actually acquitted them? They can admit it, why cannot the poster?

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Old 14th October 2018, 04:38 PM   #1445
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Originally Posted by Bill Williams View Post
This post represents nothing short of a fetish for capital punishment, as well as and evidenceless obsession with only 1 person in the terrible murder of Meredith Kercher.

To make the post even more loopy, that 1 person was eventually acquitted of the charge. However, proof of this obsession is rare mention of the other co-accused who was also acquited, not to mention the other co-accused who was rightly and correctly convicted.

How many times can someone stick their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la-la-la-la as loudly as they can when presented with the ***Fact*** that both of the original prosecutors admit that the 2015 Italian Supreme Court actually acquitted them? They can admit it, why cannot the poster?

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Old Yesterday, 02:02 AM   #1446
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
You keep forgetting that Amanda WAS ******* ACQUITTED!!!!!

Nothing dysfunctional about it. Desperation and Delusion has set in.
She remains a convicted felon for life.
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 AM   #1447
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From the ECHR's Country Profile for Italy, updated July 2018, page 13:

Noteworthy pending cases

Amanda Marie Knox v. Italy (no. 76577/13)

Case communicated to the parties in April 2016

This case concerns criminal proceedings in which Ms Knox was found guilty of making a false accusation. The offending statements were taken while she was being questioned in the context of criminal proceedings for the murder and sexual assault of her flatmate. The applicant was accused of implicating another person whom she knew to be innocent.

Ms Knox alleges that the criminal proceedings in which she was convicted were unfair, relying on Article 6 1 and 3 (a) (right to a fair trial – right to be informed promptly of the charge), (c) (right to legal assistance), (e) (right to assistance from an interpreter), Article 3 (prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment) and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the Convention.
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Following an ECHR ruling that Amanda Knox's rights under the European Convention on Human Rights were violated by her conviction for calunnia, Italy will be obligated under the Convention to review her request for a retrial (revision trial) with all Convention rights respected. Any of her statements obtained under coercion or otherwise contrary to the right to remain silent or during an interrogation without a lawyer will be inadmissible in the revision trial, and thus her unfair conviction for calunnia would be negated and she would be finally and definitively acquitted.

The dates for the judgments in her case and in the other noteworthy pending cases against Italy listed in the Country Profile have not yet been published by the ECHR.

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Old Yesterday, 07:06 AM   #1448
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
She remains a convicted felon for life.
Your fixation on one random Seattleite's criminal record, or lack of same, is perhaps the only interesting thing left on this thread.

For the record, she is not a convicted felon. Convicted felons cannot travel internationally.

Quit believing the nutcases at the now-defunct PMF websites, as well as the remaining TJMK website. Do some independent thinking.

As an example:

https://www.visaplace.com/blog-immig...ny-conviction/

Besides, even the Italian prosecutors who started this persecution of RS and AK in 2007 now admit that she is not guilty.

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Old Yesterday, 10:24 AM   #1449
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Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
From the ECHR's Country Profile for Italy, updated July 2018, page 13:

Noteworthy pending cases

Amanda Marie Knox v. Italy (no. 76577/13)

Case communicated to the parties in April 2016

This case concerns criminal proceedings in which Ms Knox was found guilty of making a false accusation. The offending statements were taken while she was being questioned in the context of criminal proceedings for the murder and sexual assault of her flatmate. The applicant was accused of implicating another person whom she knew to be innocent.

Ms Knox alleges that the criminal proceedings in which she was convicted were unfair, relying on Article 6 1 and 3 (a) (right to a fair trial right to be informed promptly of the charge), (c) (right to legal assistance), (e) (right to assistance from an interpreter), Article 3 (prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment) and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the Convention.
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Following an ECHR ruling that Amanda Knox's rights under the European Convention on Human Rights were violated by her conviction for calunnia, Italy will be obligated under the Convention to review her request for a retrial (revision trial) with all Convention rights respected. Any of her statements obtained under coercion or otherwise contrary to the right to remain silent or during an interrogation without a lawyer will be inadmissible in the revision trial, and thus her unfair conviction for calunnia would be negated and she would be finally and definitively acquitted.

The dates for the judgments in her case and in the other noteworthy pending cases against Italy listed in the Country Profile have not yet been published by the ECHR.
Hello. Italy has recently been subjected to political changes in government. Have these changes in government been of any help to change or modify the existing Italian laws (many which are archaic and oppressive)? And has there been a change in how the Italian judiciary (judges, prosecutors, etc.) may now look upon past and present cases?
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Old Yesterday, 10:33 AM   #1450
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
She remains a convicted felon for life. in Italy until the ECHR forces Italy to vacate the verdict or grant a revision trial which she will win.
FTFY. She's NOT a felon in the US as we've shown. If she were, you and TJMK would have published her public criminal record a long time ago to prove it. Neither you nor TJMK has done so because it does not exist.

A lot of heads are going to explode when the ECHR rules on this.

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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
She remains a convicted felon for life.
Not according to the State of Washington, the United States or the Italian government either. Nice try though. Italy doesn't have felonies and the United States doesn't have a callunia charge.
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Old Yesterday, 05:31 PM   #1452
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Originally Posted by Bill Williams View Post
For the record, she is not a convicted felon. Convicted felons cannot travel internationally.

As an example:

https://www.visaplace.com/blog-immig...ny-conviction/

Besides, even the Italian prosecutors who started this persecution of RS and AK in 2007 now admit that she is not guilty.

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With all due respect Bill. This is not true. Countries allow felons entry all the time. This varies from country to country and from case to case. Robert Downey Jr talked about how he had no problem traveling abroad for press junkets until he went to Japan. He was promoting Ironman and there after questioning him in an interview room they said they would allow him entry but that he was not to come back to Japan.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
With all due respect Bill. This is not true. Countries allow felons entry all the time. This varies from country to country and from case to case. Robert Downey Jr talked about how he had no problem traveling abroad for press junkets until he went to Japan. He was promoting Ironman and there after questioning him in an interview room they said they would allow him entry but that he was not to come back to Japan.
You are quite correct. There's always a process to set the felony aside for the sake of travel - for entry into Canada those exceptions and the process is spelled out on the relevant webpage.

But you are quite correct. My bad.
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Originally Posted by christianahannah View Post
Hello. Italy has recently been subjected to political changes in government. Have these changes in government been of any help to change or modify the existing Italian laws (many which are archaic and oppressive)? And has there been a change in how the Italian judiciary (judges, prosecutors, etc.) may now look upon past and present cases?
The only relevant change to Italian law I am aware of was one described by roteoctober in a 2016 post on IIP Forum. That change is a total rewrite of Criminal Code (Codice Penale, CP) Article 375, so as to define a new crime: the alteration, destruction, or falsification of evidence in an investigation or criminal trial by public officials (such as police officers).

Here is a Google translation of the main part of the rewritten CP Article 375:

Art. 375 (fraud in criminal and screening process) .- Unless the act constitutes a more 'serious offense, and' punished with imprisonment from three to eight years, the public official or the person providing a public service, in order to prevent, hinder or seduce [pervert?] an investigation or a criminal trial: a) artificially change {immuta} the corpus delicti, or the state of the places, things or persons connected with the crime; b) requested autorita 'judicial or police to provide information in a criminal case, says the false or deny the truth, or is silent, in whole or in part, what' know the principal facts on which it is heard. If the fact and 'committed by destruction, suppression, concealment, damage, in whole or in part, or training or artificial alteration, in whole or in part, of a document or an object to be used as evidence or in any case useful to the discovery of the crime or its investigation, punishment and 'increased by a third to half'. ...
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Had this law been in place before November, 2007, no doubt it could apply to officials in the Knox - Sollecito case who (allegedly) altered, destroyed, suppressed, falsified, or fabricated evidence.

The purpose now of this law would be to satisfy a potential or anticipated ECHR judgment requirement of a general measure of redress or satisfaction in the Knox v. Italy case. That is, when the ECHR passes judgment against a state, the ECHR may require not only satisfaction or redress for that individual, but also changes in practice or law intended to prevent recurrence of the violation found.
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You are quite correct. There's always a process to set the felony aside for the sake of travel - for entry into Canada those exceptions and the process is spelled out on the relevant webpage.

But you are quite correct. My bad.
No biggie. It doesn't change that Amanda is not a felon. I find it hilarious that Vixen would say this. Vixen seems to miss the salient fact that Italy doesn't divide crimes into misdemeanors and felonies. I've also never seen the US statute that states if you are convicted of a serious crime abroad, that you are forever considered a felon in the United States.

I believe I once asked Vixen to provide a citation and all I heard was crickets.

I'm pretty sure that Amanda has traveled to both Europe and Canada in the last few years, so traveling hasn't been an issue for her that I'm aware of. Glad to see they are doing a second season of Scarlet Letter reports.
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