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Old 22nd December 2017, 06:42 PM   #721
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We're not talking about collective guilt. I didn't say that everyone one that is Catholic is guilty. I'm merely in favor of holding the institution which is the Catholic Church responsible for institutional crmes.

As an institution the RCC fostered criminal pedophilia by covering up such crimes. Its not a stretch to say that pedophilia and obstruction of justice had almost become church doctrine.

Its not just enough that the church pay damages to the victims., it should be required to pay fines to the states. It also must not be allowed to harbor criminals as the Vatican has done with so many priests and bishops. Cardinal Law is just one of them. It's difficult to enforce laws against a faceless institution, but we do it on occasion. We have fined countless corporations, but none would be so brazen to harbor criminals abroad and say 'neener, neener'.

The difference of course which you pointed out which are the sheer number of adherents that wish that their institution avoid accountability. So the government looked the other way.

As for Harvey Weinstein, that is a horrible analogy for so many obvious reasons. His business was shuttered. And I'd like nothing better than to see him go to prison. I wish we could send some of his lawyers to prison too for their actions, but that won't happen either.

No one is saying that we should banish all religions even though the world would be better off. So why then should I want Hollywood to be shut down?
Just one religion.

Not surprised that you ignored the part about the UK’s genocidal history.
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Old 22nd December 2017, 07:04 PM   #722
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Just one religion.

Not surprised that you ignored the part about the UK’s genocidal history.
No, not just one religion. One church, one church which as an institution obstructed United States justice as well as the justice of other nations. Tell me another church that has done that? Quit acting as if I'm singling out the Catholic Church for punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

As for the UK, the US has an extradition treaty. They don't shield individual pedophiles from justice. They let Switzerland do that...ie: Roman Polanski. And of course the Vatican.
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Old 22nd December 2017, 07:18 PM   #723
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No, not just one religion. One church, one church which as an institution obstructed United States justice as well as the justice of other nations. Tell me another church that has done that? Quit acting as if I'm singling out the Catholic Church for punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

As for the UK, the US has an extradition treaty. They don't shield individual pedophiles from justice. They let Switzerland do that...ie: Roman Polanski. And of course the Vatican.
Interesting, you would favor Switzerland’s assets being Seized?

By the way, I mentioned the UK’s genocidal history.

I guess it is refreshing to see this level of fanatical anti-Catholicism right out there in the open.
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Old 22nd December 2017, 07:31 PM   #724
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Interesting, you would favor Switzerland’s assets being Seized?

By the way, I mentioned the UK’s genocidal history.

I guess it is refreshing to see this level of fanatical anti-Catholicism right out there in the open.
Nothing fanatical about it. And I bet the Catholic Church would have handed over Law, the moment we sold St James Cathedral in Manhattan. I'd love to freeze Switzerland's assets but not for shielding Polanski. But for its banking practices that shield the rich from their obligations.
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Old 22nd December 2017, 10:08 PM   #725
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Nothing fanatical about it. And I bet the Catholic Church would have handed over Law, the moment we sold St James Cathedral in Manhattan. I'd love to freeze Switzerland's assets but not for shielding Polanski. But for its banking practices that shield the rich from their obligations.
well if we are going to dispense with any semblance of the rule of law at all as you suggest, would you not agree that it would have been easier just to send someone to assassinate Law and carry his head back on a spike and hang it in effigy in front of the Supreme Court?

Now Switzerland might be a harder nut to crack, but with fanatical support of the elite soldierly dedicated to the Glorious Communist State we shall conquer the bourgeoisie as we have destroyed the Whore of Babylon!

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well if we are going to dispense with any semblance of the rule of law at all as you suggest, would you not agree that it would have been easier just to send someone to assassinate Law and carry his head back on a spike and hang it in effigy in front of the Supreme Court?

Now Switzerland might be a harder nut to crack, but with fanatical support of the elite soldierly dedicated to the Glorious Communist State we shall conquer the bourgeoisie as we have destroyed the Whore of Babylon!

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Old 23rd December 2017, 03:34 AM   #727
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
well if we are going to dispense with any semblance of the rule of law at all as you suggest, would you not agree that it would have been easier just to send someone to assassinate Law and carry his head back on a spike and hang it in effigy in front of the Supreme Court?

Now Switzerland might be a harder nut to crack, but with fanatical support of the elite soldierly dedicated to the Glorious Communist State we shall conquer the bourgeoisie as we have destroyed the Whore of Babylon!

workers of the world unite!

Always exaggeration with you. I bet you don't mind bank foreclosures.. But it's ok when the rich commit crimes and use their money to avoid accountability.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
well if we are going to dispense with any semblance of the rule of law at all as you suggest, would you not agree that it would have been easier just to send someone to assassinate Law and carry his head back on a spike and hang it in effigy in front of the Supreme Court?

Now Switzerland might be a harder nut to crack, but with fanatical support of the elite soldierly dedicated to the Glorious Communist State we shall conquer the bourgeoisie as we have destroyed the Whore of Babylon!

workers of the world unite!

Well you do go on with your flair for exaggeration and distortion as acbytesla has already pointed out. Bring some other irrelevancy into the picture also to draw our attention away from the obvious fact, that you have no answers for the questions asked of you.

You have no answers to the obvious truth that Catholicism is shrinking in the West, despite the dwindling number of Brothers and Nuns ..... soon there will be none.

Mind you this denial is common among your kin:

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-priests...95207-Nov2017/

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ARCHBISHOP DIARMUID MARTIN is set to ordain two men into the priesthood tomorrow, bringing the total number ordained in the diocese since 2004 to 16.
Although the two new priests will not be enough to replace the 15 who died over the past year, Martin said that “faith is not about numbers”.

"Faith is not about numbers" .... how out of touch can you be!

On the subject of being out of touch the following is of interest:

http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-franci...87204-Nov2017/

To quote the Pope:

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He has called the internet, social media and text messages “a gift of God” if used wisely, but has also tried to persuade today’s youth to swap their smartphones for pocket-sized bibles.

"A gift of God" ....... Where has Francis been???

Best of luck with the pocket sized Bibles.
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Old 23rd December 2017, 03:17 PM   #729
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Maybe things work differently down in your part of the World aleCcowaN although I don't think so.

If the "Law of the Land" is broken then it is the obligation of The State, to pursue and punish the perpetrators. This punishment may involve imposing significant fines, which if not paid could result in property being confiscated.
Without getting emotional here this is what I think acbytesla is saying. To just imply that Catholic authorities can be sued by the victims so justice is being done falls way short of justice as I see it.

The sheer scale of the crimes committed by the Catholic Church is such, that if all cases were pursued with vigour and real justice done, it may be that all those Cardinals will have to pawn their red frocks, to get out of hock. I for one would not be sad to see this happen.
I don't see any lack of legal action, including those seeking for economic compensation, in any part of the world. Just a quick Google search returns over 1,000 million dollars forked over in compensations just in page 1 (100 results). Just in tiny New Brunswick, the Archdiocese of Moncton had to come with $ca 10.6 millions for 109 victims, the Diocese of Bathurst $ca 5.5 million for 90 of them, and so. Dioceses are filing for bankruptcy everywhere (that would include the red frocks). The Archdiocese of New York was asking the Vatican for a $us 100 million financial line just to pay for the legal actions on sight.

So, many comments have looked to me pretty uninformed and wilfully ignorant of how both the law works and the real legal actions are taking shape, mostly boiling down to "bad, bad church! must pay! must pay! must pay in blood! (because they touched this part of the doll when I was a kid; because bullies made my life miserable in school; or because evangelical Christian made me believe and now I hate them, but I'm still fully trained by them to hate the papists even more)".

Because it continues to be a matter of Antitheism in an Atheist disguise. You know, I insist about those hypocrites here who adore their god "empty set" with the same zeal others talk of Yahehuhova and Ol-allah!

This is the Antitheist god



and I spit on it.
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I don't see any lack of legal action, including those seeking for economic compensation, in any part of the world. Just a quick Google search returns over 1,000 million dollars forked over in compensations just in page 1 (100 results). Just in tiny New Brunswick, the Archdiocese of Moncton had to come with $ca 10.6 millions for 109 victims, the Diocese of Bathurst $ca 5.5 million for 90 of them, and so. Dioceses are filing for bankruptcy everywhere (that would include the red frocks). The Archdiocese of New York was asking the Vatican for a $us 100 million financial line just to pay for the legal actions on sight.
And yet these are just pennies to the church. And it barely touches the surface of the crimes committed by the RCC. A few paintings from the Vatican art collection would easily cover what has been spent.

What's more, this is just civil litigation as opposed to fines for criminal actions by the States. The Vatican itself is criminally responsible. The moment pedophile priests are transferred from on Diocese to another the entire organization is responsible.

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So, many comments have looked to me pretty uninformed and wilfully ignorant of how both the law works and the real legal actions are taking shape, mostly boiling down to "bad, bad church! must pay! must pay! must pay in blood! (because they touched this part of the doll when I was a kid; because bullies made my life miserable in school; or because evangelical Christian made me believe and now I hate them, but I'm still fully trained by them to hate the papists even more)".

Because it continues to be a matter of Antitheism in an Atheist disguise. You know, I insist about those hypocrites here who adore their god "empty set" with the same zeal others talk of Yahehuhova and Ol-allah!

This is the Antitheist god

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ullset.svg.png

and I spit on it.
Good for you. BTW, all these victims were Catholic. Up to 8,000 victims of sexual assault in the Milwaukee archdiocese alone. 200 of them from the St John's school for the deaf. .

And about the most the church did when confronted with a pedophile priest was to prevent them from celebrating the sacraments. They never contacted the authorities like responsible human beings. No, they hid the offenses and often just transferred the priests from one parish to another. Similar stories are found all over the world.

And here you are attacking the victims.
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And don't forget what Romans did to Boudicca! There were Catholics among them.
In the year 60 CE? There were probably as many Anglicans among the Iceni as there were Catholics in the Roman forces that suppressed their rebellion.
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In the year 60 CE? There were probably as many Anglicans among the Iceni as there were Catholics in the Roman forces that suppressed their rebellion.

Could have been a sprinkling of Mormons in there too.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post


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"bad, bad church! must pay! must pay! must pay in blood! (because they touched this part of the doll when I was a kid; because bullies made my life miserable in school; or because evangelical Christian made me believe and now I hate them, but I'm still fully trained by them to hate the papists even more)".

Because it continues to be a matter of Antitheism in an Atheist disguise. You know, I insist about those hypocrites here who adore their god "empty set" with the same zeal others talk of Yahehuhova and Ol-allah!

This is the Antitheist god

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ullset.svg.png

and I spit on it.

What a silly rant and ridiculous, insensitive, attempt to make light of the crimes of the RCC.

You now, like TBD, are confusing anti theism with anti theist. I am one of the former but not the latter, as I feel compassion only for the poor sod, who suffers from the delusion he/she was infected with as a child.

The quality of your post is not enhanced by the meaningless symbol you paste at the bottom.
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Old 24th December 2017, 02:33 PM   #734
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Cardinal George Pell is taking leave of his Vatican duties after informing the Pope he plans to return to Australia to fight historical sexual assault charges in court and clear his name.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-2...tralia/8664516
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And don't forget what Romans did to Boudicca! There were Catholics among them.
Were temporal transport a reality I would happily visit the Roman camp with automatic weaponry and grenades to explain the very bad choice they had made. I have a list of others.
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What a silly rant and ridiculous, insensitive, attempt to make light of the crimes of the RCC.

You now, like TBD, are confusing anti theism with anti theist. I am one of the former but not the latter, as I feel compassion only for the poor sod, who suffers from the delusion he/she was infected with as a child.
Yea.. EXACTLY. Borrowing a phrase from Christians said about homosexuality. 'I don't hate the sinner, just the sin'.
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I’m not antiJew, I am anti Zionist, is the the most clear sign you are dealing with an anti Semite.

Similar with the people who Are anti-Catholic Church but profess not to be anti-catholic, but feel sorry for the “poor delusional sods.”

I have said it before, but sometimes posts on this forum are interchangeable with propaganda spewed out by Westbrook Baptist.
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I’m not antiJew, I am anti Zionist, is the the most clear sign you are dealing with an anti Semite.

Similar with the people who Are anti-Catholic Church but profess not to be anti-catholic, but feel sorry for the “poor delusional sods.”

I have said it before, but sometimes posts on this forum are interchangeable with propaganda spewed out by Westbrook Baptist.
Nonsense exaggeration. My entire family is Christian and my best friend's family is Catholic and I love all of these people. They mean the world to me.

The vast majority of people I know identify as Christian of one stripe or another and I don't have a thing against any of them.

I don't push my anti-theism at anyone. But I'm not going to hide it the way people expect you to. You want to talk religion with me. Great, but you better expect to be challenged as I am not meek and mild.
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I’m not antiJew, I am anti Zionist, is the the most clear sign you are dealing with an anti Semite.

Similar with the people who Are anti-Catholic Church but profess not to be anti-catholic, but feel sorry for the “poor delusional sods.”

I have said it before, but sometimes posts on this forum are interchangeable with propaganda spewed out by Westbrook Baptist.

I assume you mean the Westboro Baptists - not that there is any relevancy anyway.

The Archbishop of Sydney has declared the year "annus horribilis":

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-2...f-2017/9283172

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"For people of faith you might say it has been an 'annus horribilis', as our Christian conceptions of life and love have been challenged in the marriage and euthanasia debates, freedom of religion in Australia put in doubt and shameful crimes and cover ups in our church uncovered by the royal commission.

There you go he has the same sex marriage and euthanasia issues right up there with the child abuse one, whilst lamenting the possible loss of "religious freedom", as a result of the latter.

Later in the article we have another Catholic making a comment about SSM in direct contradiction to that made by the Archbishop. This is an illustration of the loss of esteem held for Catholic clergy today, by many Catholics.

Where are you on the SSM issue The Big Dog?
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Later in the article we have another Catholic making a comment about SSM in direct contradiction to that made by the Archbishop. This is an illustration of the loss of esteem held for Catholic clergy today, by many Catholics.
What it really demonstrates is the superiority of secular morality. The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination, yet the majority of people, even most Catholics don't see it that way. So like birth control, Catholics that live in modern society are ignoring church authority and are choosing for themselves what they see as moral. Bishops be damned.
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I assume you mean the Westboro Baptists - not that there is any relevancy anyway.

The Archbishop of Sydney has declared the year "annus horribilis":

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-2...f-2017/9283172




There you go he has the same sex marriage and euthanasia issues right up there with the child abuse one, whilst lamenting the possible loss of "religious freedom", as a result of the latter.

Later in the article we have another Catholic making a comment about SSM in direct contradiction to that made by the Archbishop. This is an illustration of the loss of esteem held for Catholic clergy today, by many Catholics.

Where are you on the SSM issue The Big Dog?
Clearly the A. of S. is referring to, though misspelling, "anus horribilis" aka the year of trumpf.
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The Pope is in trouble in South America:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-2...mments/9351420

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The Barros scandal dominated Pope Francis' trip to Chile and Peru, and led to a remarkable church-state public rebuke of the Pope.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley, Francis' top adviser on abuse, issued a public criticism saying Francis' words were a "source of great pain for survivors" and that such expressions had the effect of making them feel abandoned and left to "discredited exile".

Another rebuke of the Pope from within the ranks of the Church!

One must wonder about the degree of proof needed, when paedophile offences are suspected. Photographic evidence? If it is the word of the victim against the perpetrator, how many victims testimonies are needed, to draw into question the denials of the clergyman?
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Coming down to the wire now for Cardinal Pell.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-0...ecords/9416814


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Lawyers for Cardinal George Pell are seeking access to the medical records of complainants in the case against him.

Cardinal Pell, 76, is set to face a four-week committal hearing in the Melbourne Magistrates' Court next month as he fights historical sexual offence charges involving multiple complainants.

Seems a bit off to me that Pell's defence would want this info, but I am no legal expert. Is this from the dirty tricks department?
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Coming down to the wire now for Cardinal Pell.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-0...ecords/9416814





Seems a bit off to me that Pell's defence would want this info, but I am no legal expert. Is this from the dirty tricks department?
The defence will use every trick in the book (and some not in the book) to delay justice for years until Pell gets "too ill" to testify and will live out his sad and meagre life behind the walls of the Vatican. He was "too ill" to fly and face his accusers for years. He won't be to fly back to Italy.

He is guilty beyond doubt in my view. But I don't think we will ever see him face the court. I hope I'm wrong.
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Is the Roman Catholic Church in Freefall?
Well..... I don't know. Let me check:

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Old 9th February 2018, 03:51 PM   #746
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
The defence will use every trick in the book (and some not in the book) to delay justice for years until Pell gets "too ill" to testify and will live out his sad and meagre life behind the walls of the Vatican. He was "too ill" to fly and face his accusers for years. He won't be to fly back to Italy.

He is guilty beyond doubt in my view. But I don't think we will ever see him face the court. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope you are wrong too.

Watch this space. The Big Dog will sweep on you like an avenging angel when he sees the highlighted.
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Old 9th February 2018, 05:01 PM   #747
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
I assume you mean the Westboro Baptists - not that there is any relevancy anyway.

The Archbishop of Sydney has declared the year "annus horribilis":

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-2...f-2017/9283172

There you go he has the same sex marriage and euthanasia issues right up there with the child abuse one, whilst lamenting the possible loss of "religious freedom", as a result of the latter.

Later in the article we have another Catholic making a comment about SSM in direct contradiction to that made by the Archbishop. This is an illustration of the loss of esteem held for Catholic clergy today, by many Catholics.

Where are you on the SSM issue The Big Dog?
I know this might seem strange to Big Dog but most of the Catholics I know are actually much more liberal and progressive about SSM, women clergy, divorce and of course contraception then the Vatican.. At least they are here in Seattle. Its like Rome has its opinion and we have ours.
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Old 10th February 2018, 01:49 PM   #748
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I know this might seem strange to Big Dog but most of the Catholics I know are actually much more liberal and progressive about SSM, women clergy, divorce and of course contraception then the Vatican.. At least they are here in Seattle. Its like Rome has its opinion and we have ours.

This once again demonstrates the anomaly of Catholicism, and perhaps an illustration that the demise of the church, is much more advanced than the head count indicates.

People identify as Catholics (or are identified by others as Catholic), despite the lack of adherence to the edicts laid down in Rome. It is sometimes said in jest (many a true word spoken .... ) that you can still be a Catholic even if you don't believe in God.
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Just looking into the question of disbelieving Catholics and further into that of disbelieving Catholic clergy, I came upon the following extract from a Catholic answers site.

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Therefore, in answering the question, two important principles govern: First, the sacrament must be performed validly with proper matter and form. Second, the minister must have the intention at least of doing what the Church intends, which is demonstrated by validly performing the sacrament, i.e. appropriately saying the specified Words of Consecration over the unleavened bread and wine. Therefore, if the priest in question is a heretic and has an identity crisis, but offers Mass validly, then the people indeed receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. Without this assurance, the people would always be left in a state of uncertainty as to whether they actually received a sacrament.

This is in answer to the vexing question that troubles some of the Catholic faithful ..... "What if the priest does not believe? Is the sacrament still valid, is the baptism good, etc?"

Well according to the above it is still OK if the words spoken are as specified and the actions carried out to the letter. Phew ..... that's a relief.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Just looking into the question of disbelieving Catholics and further into that of disbelieving Catholic clergy, I came upon the following extract from a Catholic answers site.

This is in answer to the vexing question that troubles some of the Catholic faithful ..... "What if the priest does not believe? Is the sacrament still valid, is the baptism good, etc?"

Well according to the above it is still OK if the words spoken are as specified and the actions carried out to the letter. Phew ..... that's a relief.
Lol

I use to live next door to the rectory of a large Catholic church here in Seattle and made friends with a few of the priests. We use to have them over for dinner from time to time. One of them definitely didn't believe in the religion but liked helping people in the community. I also knew he didn't know what to do with his life if he left the church.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post

On the subject of being out of touch the following is of interest:

http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-franci...87204-Nov2017/

To quote the Pope:
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He has called the internet, social media and text messages “a gift of God” if used wisely, but has also tried to persuade today’s youth to swap their smartphones for pocket-sized bibles.
"A gift of God" ....... Where has Francis been???

Best of luck with the pocket sized Bibles.
I gotta say the Internet is a Godsend (I couldn't resist) for non-believers and the atheist movement. People are learning they are not alone. All the YouTube videos of Christopher Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris gives credence to their arguments. I particularly enjoy the theists who fail miserably to explain rationally why they believe in their God on 'The Atheist Experience.

More and more, it's becoming obvious that one is not immoral simply for not believing in a mythical fairy tale.
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Now there are calls for the Catholic Church to lose it's tax free status in Australia.

The Age newspaper has been conducting an investigation into the wealth of the Catholic Church in Australia.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-12/catholic-church-worth-$30-billion-investigation-finds/9422246


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Fairfax's six-month investigation found the Catholic Church was worth more than $9 billion in Victoria alone.
The investigation extrapolated that figure to estimate the church's national wealth at $30 billion.

This is slightly at odds with the wealth the church admits to having.


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The reported figures are in stark contrast to those on the public record.
For instance, the Catholic Church told the royal commission it was worth $109 million in Victoria, based largely on historical costs of property rather than market rates.
At the same time, protection of the church's assets has long been cited as a reason to minimise the payouts to sex abuse victims.

$109,000,000 admitted to by the church when crying poor about the cost of payments to the abused child victims, but now Fairfax are saying the figure is more like $9,000,000,000 and that may be conservative!

A small error ......surely the good clergy cannot be lying?
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The link in the previous post doesn't seem to work. Here it is again:


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-12/catholic-church-worth-$30-billion-investigation-finds/9422246
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