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Old 24th September 2020, 07:06 AM   #1681
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
What make people starve is to have to pay for food.
No. What makes people starve is the absence of food.
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Old 25th September 2020, 06:24 PM   #1682
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No. What makes people starve is the absence of food.
Interestingly many historic HG groups didn't have money not even the concept of it and they were often involved in wars with other local tribes, faced starvation on a cyclical pattern, abuse from the weather and disease and had a high death rate among their elders and new born. So having no money wasn't that great for them.
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Old 26th September 2020, 01:15 AM   #1683
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Interestingly many historic HG groups didn't have money not even the concept of it and they were often involved in wars with other local tribes, faced starvation on a cyclical pattern, abuse from the weather and disease and had a high death rate among their elders and new born. So having no money wasn't that great for them.
We are not historic, there is a lot of food if it would distributed without asking for money there would be no starvation
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Old 26th September 2020, 01:36 AM   #1684
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
We are not historic, there is a lot of food if it would distributed without asking for money there would be no starvation
One may say there is a lot of food because we use money
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Old 26th September 2020, 05:38 AM   #1685
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We are not historic...

Well, not yet. Eventually we will be, of course.
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Old 26th September 2020, 09:25 AM   #1686
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
We are not historic, there is a lot of food if it would distributed without asking for money there would be no starvation
Thank you for confirming that without money, food would not be distributed.
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Old 26th September 2020, 11:06 AM   #1687
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We are not historic, there is a lot of food if it would distributed without asking for money there would be no starvation
...but we don't believe you! In the past they had no money yet they starved. Explain how you are going to prevent that.
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One may say there is a lot of food because we use money
One may indeed say that. We could not feed several billion humans if it were not for the tools and technologies we have invented over history. Money is one of those tools.
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Old 28th September 2020, 01:25 AM   #1689
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A lot of people would be a lot starving if they wouldn't have the food for free.
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A lot of people would be a lot starving if they wouldn't have the food for free.
7,800 million people are alive. Perhaps as many as 9 million die of hunger each year. Do you feel bad about that? I feel bad about that.

Why don't we just give them food for free? Well, most live in countries with surplus food but with ongoing conflicts and wars. So the problem is not so simple as you hoped.

In fact, although I intended this to be a longer reply, maybe we should just leave it here, because the point has been made: Your idea, and any idea starting "Why don't we just...?", is fantasy for the simple reason that humans can't agree to "just" do anything, as illustrated by the fact we still have wars. Nobody is in charge. That will not change.

Come up with a plan to make the world fairer which might work with nobody in overall control and we'll talk.
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Old 28th September 2020, 07:34 AM   #1691
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A lot of people would be a lot starving if they wouldn't have the food for free.
Besides keyboard warrioring, what are you doing to resolve these problems?
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There's no doubt that the distribution of wealth in the world is skewed, and many things could be improved, but it seems worthwhile to point out that not only the production but the processing and distribution of food can be complex and costly, in time and effort and facilities. Many people now starve, to be sure, but many now also are fed for free because others are willing to pay the cost of getting the food to them.

I have no doubt that the system as it exists is deeply flawed and that greater generosity and better management would result in far fewer people starving, but simply eliminating money and throwing the responsibility back on the growers of food is not the solution. Parts of the world are in a state of drastic famine, and those of us who contribute toward helping in these times have no resources with which we can help alleviate this except by contributing money toward the purchase, transportation and distribution of food.

I can always grow veggies and shoot the deer in the back yard, and the Peruvians can flourish on potatoes and guinea pigs, and so on, but that will not feed the millions starving in drought and plague elsewhere in the world. Someone has to fund that.
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Old 29th September 2020, 02:07 PM   #1693
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We are not historic, there is a lot of food if it would distributed without asking for money there would be no starvation
And many places would not be facing droughts if rain was distributed equally.
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Old 30th September 2020, 07:36 AM   #1694
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Here is a notional hero who denounced your work, you people don't work for America but just rich people of your country and your next president will defend the interest of just the richer who ever he his.
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For as bad as 2020 has been at least I can say it was the year where I got to see a human being fail the Turning Test.
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Old 30th September 2020, 12:39 PM   #1696
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Here is a notional hero who denounced your work, you people don't work for America but just rich people of your country and your next president will defend the interest of just the richer who ever he his.
I actually DO work for America. Paycheck from the Treasury and all that.

Again, besides flaying at your keyboard, what are you doing to right the injustices you've identified? Besides working for those very "rich" you deplore?
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Old 2nd October 2020, 01:20 AM   #1697
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Here is a national hero who denounced your work:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
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Here is a national hero who denounced your work:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
My work? Snowden didn't denounce me by name or agency. Care to lie again?
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Snowden doesn't know who you are and is not promoting to get rid of money.
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Snowden doesn't know who you are and is not promoting to get rid of money.
Gaetan is also unaware that many of us are of different nationalities. I have no clue why. He appears to think the only nation is America for whom we all apparently work.

Oddly, he cites the french version of wiki. Perhaps that revealed more than intended, but I don't know.
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Gaetan is also unaware that many of us are of different nationalities. I have no clue why. He appears to think the only nation is America for whom we all apparently work.

Oddly, he cites the french version of wiki. Perhaps that revealed more than intended, but I don't know.
Well, my best guess is he is a French Canadian.

It suits his fantasy that we are all CIA agents. How he got the idea that his idea, or this forum, is so important it demands dozens of CIA agents, I'll never know. When ISF goes, the world follows?
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Old 11th October 2020, 01:25 PM   #1702
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Well, my best guess is he is a French Canadian.

It suits his fantasy that we are all CIA agents. How he got the idea that his idea, or this forum, is so important it demands dozens of CIA agents, I'll never know. When ISF goes, the world follows?
Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.

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Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.
Great, so you just asserted that your own claims, said here on the internet, are "in the goal to protect the interest of the richest".


Once again, no one can agree with you until you can, at the very least, agree with just yourself.
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Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.
Any evidence? Of course not.
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Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.
Well, with potential butchers, like you, trying to decimate society, they might have a reason.

As for hating human rights, you know your plan does that with a far greater efficiency than any government to date? Your property, your labor, belongs to the community. There is no humanity in it at all. No humanity, no human rights. The mass graves we will end up filling will prove the point, Mr Butcher.
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Great, so you just asserted that your own claims, said here on the internet, are "in the goal to protect the interest of the richest".


Once again, no one can agree with you until you can, at the very least, agree with just yourself.
Agree, there have always been conspiracy theories and paranoia. I will not argue that the government thinks directly about each individual citizen. First of all, everyone should think about himself and strive for well-being. Someone says that "everything is done for the rich," because the rich tend to live better and better. But let's face the facts. The rich in their time made the right decision, made the right choice and were able to earn their capital with their own talent and work. But those who sit and wait for the weather from the sea, do nothing to improve their own situation, they often play out fantasies about how everyone around them owes them and what these "all" are ungrateful and do nothing for them.
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Agree, there have always been conspiracy theories and paranoia. I will not argue that the government thinks directly about each individual citizen. First of all, everyone should think about himself and strive for well-being. Someone says that "everything is done for the rich," because the rich tend to live better and better. But let's face the facts. The rich in their time made the right decision, made the right choice and were able to earn their capital with their own talent and work. But those who sit and wait for the weather from the sea, do nothing to improve their own situation, they often play out fantasies about how everyone around them owes them and what these "all" are ungrateful and do nothing for them.
Well, universal statements are problematic to being with. Everything, everyone, no one, nothing, ect... Only one counterexample disproves them, so the limiting modifiers (almost, most, some, all but) become the crucial detail. As the saying goes, 'The devil is in the details' which derived from 'God is in the details'. While Gaetan likes to profess the inspiration of god he can't really support it as of god or the devil. As that is in the details and if you read this thread you'll find Gaetan simply doesn't do, well, details.
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Old 14th October 2020, 03:39 PM   #1708
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Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.
....and who is translating and reading all this? 4.5 billion people are on the internet as of July of this year. Another billion or two + or so above that have no internet but do have access to a phone.

So how many people would you need to process all that? Yes you can use computer but at some point a human has to see it. Where are these people?

You might want to look at how East Germans did in processing all this type of data - basically they didn't.

Really so is the NSA listening to what is going on in say Albania? Do they listen to the Ts’ixa - a tribal group in SA, who have only two hundred or so speaker left of that language - does the NSA listen to them too? LOL

Let me add a challenge to Gaetan; Since you are an 'expert' in this can you tell me exactly what I must say to be immediately arrested or killed? Or do they listen but do nothing?

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So how many people would you need to process all that? Yes you can use computer but at some point a human has to see it. Where are these people?
Did you not see this documentary? Includes images from inside the NSA.

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This joke contains more facts and evidence than anything and everything Gaetan has ever provided.
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Did you not see this documentary? Includes images from inside the NSA.

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This joke contains more facts and evidence than anything and everything Gaetan has ever provided.
Great!
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It is not necessary to have one spy to read and listen every American, they have robots who clutch on specific words or sentences in order to protect the interest of richest. That system was made to spy all around the world.
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Agree, there have always been conspiracy theories and paranoia. I will not argue that the government thinks directly about each individual citizen. First of all, everyone should think about himself and strive for well-being. Someone says that "everything is done for the rich," because the rich tend to live better and better. But let's face the facts. The rich in their time made the right decision, made the right choice and were able to earn their capital with their own talent and work. But those who sit and wait for the weather from the sea, do nothing to improve their own situation, they often play out fantasies about how everyone around them owes them and what these "all" are ungrateful and do nothing for them.
As if being rich or poor was a matter of choice!
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It is not necessary to have one spy to read and listen every American, they have robots who clutch on specific words or sentences in order to protect the interest of richest. That system was made to spy all around the world.
So, what are those sentences.

I asked before but you ignored it - so here is the same question again:

Let me add a challenge to Gaetan; Since you are an 'expert' in this can you tell me exactly what I must say to be immediately arrested or killed? Or do they listen but do nothing?
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So, what are those sentences.

I asked before but you ignored it - so here is the same question again:

Let me add a challenge to Gaetan; Since you are an 'expert' in this can you tell me exactly what I must say to be immediately arrested or killed? Or do they listen but do nothing?
They watch people in the interest of richests, they'll do nothing if someone says on phone that he is going to kill his wife. The robot will intercept it but the spy will do nothing, he works in the interest to preserve the money of the richest.
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They watch people in the interest of richests, they'll do nothing if someone says on phone that he is going to kill his wife. The robot will intercept it but the spy will do nothing, he works in the interest to preserve the money of the richest.
Can you provide any evidence on how you know this to be true?

Are you the CIA insider that you project onto everyone else?

Why is the robot flagging conversations of murder and yet nobody acting on it? Why flag it at all? Why not just ignore stuff you aren't acting on? Seems wasteful.
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Makes you wonder what the most dangerous things are to say. I mean, what if I went on the internet and said "Let's abolish money!"? That would be a real catastrophe for the rich if it happened. Their wealth and privilege would simply vanish.

I expect I'd be bundled into a sack by sinister agents and driven away in the back of an unmarked van within a day or two of saying something like that. Right?
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They watch people in the interest of richests, they'll do nothing if someone says on phone that he is going to kill his wife. The robot will intercept it but the spy will do nothing, he works in the interest to preserve the money of the richest.

Who decides what's "in the interest of richests"?


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As if being rich or poor was a matter of choice!
While it is possible to simply be born or thrust into either class. Moving from one to the other can also be a matter of choice.

Isn't your whole argument for getting rid of money simply due to the fact that all of those "richests" aren't choosing to be poor by giving up, or sharing, everything they have?

Is it not also one of your repeated assertions that Christ told his disciples not to take money or payment, thus specifically deciding to be poor and live off the benevolence of others?

Your assertions particularly acknowledge the relevance of choice as much as they exemplify you apparently want that choice just to be yours.
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They watch people in the interest of richests, they'll do nothing if someone says on phone that he is going to kill his wife. The robot will intercept it but the spy will do nothing, he works in the interest to preserve the money of the richest.
So, you avoid the question again

You previously said:

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Everything said on internet or by phone is listen, read, and recorded in the goal to protect the interest of the richest and your government hate human rights.
How do they protect the interests of the richest?

Again what would I have to say to cause them to immediately imprison or kill me?

Now, since you are threat to them why are you allowed to post?
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Makes you wonder what the most dangerous things are to say. I mean, what if I went on the internet and said "Let's abolish money!"? That would be a real catastrophe for the rich if it happened. Their wealth and privilege would simply vanish.

I expect I'd be bundled into a sack by sinister agents and driven away in the back of an unmarked van within a day or two of saying something like that. Right?
Yeah I was wondering if you have a world wide organization protecting the richest who are rich in money this guy would be a threat but oddly he seems to be alive and well.
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Who decides what's "in the interest of richests"?
Yeah whose in charge of this insidious operation. I suspect our friend doesn't know.
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