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Old 9th August 2018, 12:53 PM   #1
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Time for the UK to marginalise the monarchy?

Or just make it even less than a sideshow, like some other European nations?

When the current Prime Minister (admittedly a totally crap one) abases herself before a man who is two steps from the monarchy I tend to despair. If he were king I'd still despair. Even he must have felt embarrassed, and maybe blushed?

This PM is leading the UK in utterly game-changing, maybe seriously damaging, Brexit times. Dear FSM.
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Is that a curtsey or a sudden muscle failure? Looks awkward as hell on multiple levels.
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Was keeping the Queen waiting actually a good thing?
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Is that Captain Pugwash?
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It is a bit embarrassing. I little nod would have done the trick. But then she's an inadequate of the first order.
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It is now just a traditional greeting, part of the pomp and circumstance of the Monarchy. It is not a sign of subservience, as it was originally intended.
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Old 9th August 2018, 01:34 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
When the current Prime Minister (admittedly a totally crap one) abases herself before a man who is two steps from the monarchy I tend to despair.
This looked like just the sort of thing DPRK News Service would have something to say about. Sure enough, they do.

PS: just in case it isn't obvious, that's a parody account.
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It is now just a traditional greeting, part of the pomp and circumstance of the Monarchy. It is not a sign of subservience, as it was originally intended.
Nice try, but no
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Can't we just marginalise Theresa May instead?

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The monarchy is good branding for the U.K. Probably pays for itself in tourism and in the way that the cachet of royalty contributes some of the desire for members some of the overseas territories and dominions choose to remain associated with GB. Better trade deals and such can spring from that.

Then again, regular British people ought not to be showing anything like subservience to the monarchy. There is history and tradition, which has it benefits - but the royals are not the leaders anymore.

Royalty is the UK mascot and the keepers of tradition, and are useful as such. That said, elected leadership owes them nothing, as elections show the will of the people better than history or tradition do.
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PM Theresa May was following protocol. This shows good manners and proper etiquette.

This is what we expect from leaders of a country.
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Old 9th August 2018, 02:27 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
PM Theresa May was following protocol. This shows good manners and proper etiquette.

This is what we expect from leaders of a country.
Bollocks. Nobody is expected to perform that way. It's just plain weird, and this is the leader of my government acting well weird, while seeming to revel in it.

(After a moment's reflection I realise you were being deeply ironic. Nice one )
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She needs to wear a different style of skirt if she's going to do that. Bad form to fall onto a future King.
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If it anyone else in that pose, I'd think it sarcastic.
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I'm not conversant with the protocol; when making such a movement, is farting permitted and/or expected?
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Or just make it even less than a sideshow, like some other European nations?
No.
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I'm not conversant with the protocol; when making such a movement, is farting permitted and/or expected?
It's mandatory.
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It's mandatory.
'Inevitable' is the word I'd use.
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Or just make it even less than a sideshow, like some other European nations?

When the current Prime Minister (admittedly a totally crap one) abases herself before a man who is two steps from the monarchy I tend to despair. If he were king I'd still despair. Even he must have felt embarrassed, and maybe blushed?

This PM is leading the UK in utterly game-changing, maybe seriously damaging, Brexit times. Dear FSM.
I'm not sure an awkward woman's inability to curtsey is a reason to do anything other than to either show her how to do it correctly, or tell not to bother.
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I'm not conversant with the protocol; when making such a movement, is farting permitted and/or expected?
"How dare you fart before the King?"
"Sorry, I didn't know it was his turn."
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Meh, it's still less embarrassing than holding Trump's hand.
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Bollocks. Nobody is expected to perform that way. It's just plain weird, and this is the leader of my government acting well weird, while seeming to revel in it.

(After a moment's reflection I realise you were being deeply ironic. Nice one )
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth:
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For men this is a neck bow (from the head only) whilst women do a small curtsy. Other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way.
So (a) it wasn't needed, and (b) if this is May's idea of a curtsy, she's doing it wrong. But we already knew she wasn't up to the job.
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Is that a curtsey or a sudden muscle failure? Looks awkward as hell on multiple levels.
I've been asking that question ever since she became PM.
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If it is tourism we are looking for I suggest we go down the French route, they seem to have managed to get all the tourism they need from their royals at the lowest cost.
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I'm not sure an awkward woman's inability to curtsey is a reason to do anything other than to either show her how to do it correctly, or tell not to bother.
Not a reason, but a decent enough occasion.
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Yeah, time for May to go I think. Bring on Boris!!!!!!!
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Rotflmao.

Or, jeebus, I can't believe I'm saying this, Jacob Rees-Mogg.
You know if I wasn't laughing, I'd be inconsolable with tears.

Alternatively, we could get Corbyn. Ffs.
The mind boggles.
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If it is tourism we are looking for I suggest we go down the French route, they seem to have managed to get all the tourism they need from their royals at the lowest cost.
I've often considered that. The Louvre and Versailles are often visited by tourists, even though they're no longer used as royal residences. The Eiffel Tower is an object of interest to visitors even though it was erected to commemorate the centenary of the revolution that ended royal power in France. Monarchs can be dispensed with as far as tourists are concerned.

What will happen to the image of the Royal Family, I wonder, after the end of the present reign, if it ever does end? The Queen is very good at her job, such as it is, and enjoys wide public respect and even affection. Will these be extended to her heirs?
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I've often considered that. The Louvre and Versailles are often visited by tourists, even though they're no longer used as royal residences. The Eiffel Tower is an object of interest to visitors even though it was erected to commemorate the centenary of the revolution that ended royal power in France. Monarchs can be dispensed with as far as tourists are concerned.

What will happen to the image of the Royal Family, I wonder, after the end of the present reign, if it ever does end? The Queen is very good at her job, such as it is, and enjoys wide public respect and even affection. Will these be extended to her heirs?
Good question. Charles and Camilla would not be a good act imo, but I doubt there's any way to skip directly to Wills.
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Good question. Charles and Camilla would not be a good act imo, but I doubt there's any way to skip directly to Wills.
Unless Charles abdicates immediately?
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Unless Charles abdicates immediately?
Oh sure, but he's waited all his life to be king so I doubt he'd give it up easily. Maybe the people who offed Diana could have another go.
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If it is tourism we are looking for I suggest we go down the French route, they seem to have managed to get all the tourism they need from their royals at the lowest cost.
I see. So you are a blood-thirsty Madame Guillotinist. Wants to see Her Maj's head roll. You want her charged and brought before the courts as a common Mrs. E. Windsor.

How dare you.

The Royal Family have been appointed by divine right.

You should be carted off to the Tower for your heresy.
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I see. So you are a blood-thirsty Madame Guillotinist. Wants to see Her Maj's head roll. You want her charged and brought before the courts as a common Mrs. E. Windsor.

How dare you.

The Royal Family have been appointed by divine right.

You should be carted off to the Tower for your heresy.

I didnít expect the Spanish Inquisition!
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Can't we just marginalise Theresa May instead?

Sheís doing her best.
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I've often considered that. The Louvre and Versailles are often visited by tourists, even though they're no longer used as royal residences. The Eiffel Tower is an object of interest to visitors even though it was erected to commemorate the centenary of the revolution that ended royal power in France. Monarchs can be dispensed with as far as tourists are concerned.

What will happen to the image of the Royal Family, I wonder, after the end of the present reign, if it ever does end? The Queen is very good at her job, such as it is, and enjoys wide public respect and even affection. Will these be extended to her heirs?
The Queen is terrible at her "job" . One has to untangle her current performance (because of her age) and her performance over many decades. She has always done what she wants when she wanted, let's do on a state visit to Canada, well I never imagine there are historical horse racing happening at the same time. Let's do a historic visit to Ireland the first Monarch of the UK to do so for a 100 years, apparently a visit of much political significance , check out her itinerary for day 3 and 4.
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Not the comfy chair!
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The Queen is terrible at her "job" . One has to untangle her current performance (because of her age) and her performance over many decades. She has always done what she wants when she wanted, let's do on a state visit to Canada, well I never imagine there are historical horse racing happening at the same time. Let's do a historic visit to Ireland the first Monarch of the UK to do so for a 100 years, apparently a visit of much political significance , check out her itinerary for day 3 and 4.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-prince-philip
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If it is tourism we are looking for I suggest we go down the French route, they seem to have managed to get all the tourism they need from their royals at the lowest cost.
Yeah, the French got plenty of my money when I did a bike tour of the Loire Valley and the Ch‚teau and no one expected me to bow to anyone. Send your inbred to trailer parks like we do in the US and open the castles to the tourists.

ETA: It's 2018, why on earth do you still have the lucky sperm club involved in your government? They've never been elected and never passed the civil service exam. Why are they involved in your government at all?

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I didnít expect the Spanish Inquisition!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

https://youtu.be/QqreRufrkxM
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The Queen is terrible at her "job" . One has to untangle her current performance (because of her age) and her performance over many decades. She has always done what she wants when she wanted, let's do on a state visit to Canada, well I never imagine there are historical horse racing happening at the same time. Let's do a historic visit to Ireland the first Monarch of the UK to do so for a 100 years, apparently a visit of much political significance , check out her itinerary for day 3 and 4.

Oh dear, Darat. You do look at the world through a jaded eye.

It's a bloody hard job. How many people do you know who are still working at age 92?
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