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Old 18th June 2018, 08:21 PM   #1
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Trump's space cadets

Yes, kids! You too can be a space cadet! The US military now have yet another Trumpian silliness to deal with. Not content with wanting a big parade, now he wants to "win the battle for space". Even though space is legally neutral territory. But that may have slipped his smooth, tiny mind.

This has got to be even sillier than Reagan's Star Wars project. Which suggests Donny is announcing it purely as a diversion from the child-separation border farce which is setting like new concrete boots around his tiny feet just now.

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Donald Trump said on Monday he would direct the Pentagon to create a “space force” as a new branch of the US military to shore up American dominance in space.

Trump claimed that the plan will ensure that America, which plans a return to the moon and a mission to Mars, stays ahead of China and Russia in any new space race. But it is likely to raise fears over the militarisation of space and prompted a slew of Twitter parodies featuring Star Trek and Star Wars.

“Very importantly, I’m hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces,” the president said at the White House.

“That’s a big statement. We are going to have the air force and we are going to have the space force – separate but equal. It is going to be something so important.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...of-us-military
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If any Martians try to sneak into the USA with their children, their children will end up in an abandoned Walmart!
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Old 18th June 2018, 08:25 PM   #3
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"Separate but equal"???
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Old 18th June 2018, 08:28 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
If any SOUTHERN Martians try to sneak into the USA with their children, their children will end up in an abandoned Walmart!
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Old 18th June 2018, 08:59 PM   #5
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Even though space is legally neutral territory.

The moon is legally neutral territory. Space is not. There are no treaties or international agreements related to orbital weapons, except that weapons of mass destruction may not be based in space. There are plenty of military activities going on already related to space, from satellite surveillance systems to anti-satellite weapons systems.

I wonder if this is a change driven by military need, or by marketing. "Space Force" sounds cool, but the US Air Force Space Command already exists and probably does the same thing.
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Yes, kids! You too can be a space cadet! ...
Discuss!...
Vroom vroom went the fire truck.
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The US Air Force can't be remotely pleased about this.
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The White House made a spiffy video for the Space Force, just like they did for the Summit in Singapore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4
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The moon is legally neutral territory. Space is not. There are no treaties or international agreements related to orbital weapons, except that weapons of mass destruction may not be based in space. There are plenty of military activities going on already related to space, from satellite surveillance systems to anti-satellite weapons systems.

I wonder if this is a change driven by military need, or by marketing. "Space Force" sounds cool, but the US Air Force Space Command already exists and probably does the same thing.

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The treaty also states that the exploration of outer space shall be done to benefit all countries and that space shall be free for exploration and use by all the States.

The treaty explicitly forbids any government to claim a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet.[7] Article II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means". However, the State that launches a space object retains jurisdiction and control over that object.[8] The State is also liable for damages caused by their space object.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

One of these things is not like the other
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsRjQDrDnY8

That clip 'might' be a little highbrow for the US presidolt in charge, maybe he could get someone to explain it to him in words of one syllable or less...
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Vroom vroom went the fire truck.
You're right, I suspect. Donny will probably have forgotten about this by the weekend.
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That clip 'might' be a little highbrow for the US presidolt in charge, maybe he could get someone to explain it to him in words of one syllable or less...
Doesn't matter. That "space treaty" deal was obviously a bad deal for the USA. Donny is going to negotiate a bigly huge winning deal with the Martians and Venusions and all the other countries that have been screwing the US over for years on this. If only the Democrats will stop obstructing and get with the program! WIN! MAGA!
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Can you send a SA envelope to th WH for a plastic badge?
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Old 19th June 2018, 02:15 AM   #14
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Can you send a SA envelope to th WH for a plastic badge?
Gawd, YES!! Some forumite must do this, and post a pic of what they got!
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Holy Crapola, is there no end to the stupid of this plonker?
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It should clearly have naval ranks.
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I think this is a great idea. Every 50’s kid’s notion of high adventure! “Bullard Of The Space Patrol!” “Lucky Starr!”

Brave space-fighter pilots zipping off to do patrols from the orbiting space-station/aircraft carrier....
Sure, the logistics are a bit dicey, but Musk should be able to come up with something....
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I just hope that Trump himself designs the uniforms. Can you imagine?

Actually, it'll probably be Ivanka, won't it?

I suggest something like this:

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I think this is a great idea. Every 50’s kid’s notion of high adventure! “Bullard Of The Space Patrol!” “Lucky Starr!”

Brave space-fighter pilots zipping off to do patrols from the orbiting space-station/aircraft carrier....
Sure, the logistics are a bit dicey, but Musk should be able to come up with something....
Commando Cody!
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Captain Kremmen of the Space Corps!
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It sounds all the world like a Saturday morning cartoon from the 70s or 80s that some exec thought would appeal to 12 year old boys.
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It sounds all the world like a Saturday morning cartoon from the 70s or 80s that some exec thought would appeal to 12 year old boys.
That's ridiculous, thinking our country would set policy based on childhood cartoons. It's not like our President has the mind of a child!

In other news, the government has announced a new national investigative agency to replace the corrupt FBI: Mystery, Inc.




ETA: When asked about the agencies plans for starting up, the spokesman of the new team replied "Zoinks!"
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In the 23rd century he will still be honoured as the visionary founder of the great US Space Farce. His beaming holographic form will deliver rousing speeches to new graduates of the Space Accademy who hang on every word about how he came to be know as the greatest president in history.
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That's ridiculous, thinking our country would set policy based on childhood cartoons. It's not like our President has the mind of a child!
Totally unrelated, Space Force will be headquartered in a secret underground mountain base. Member of Space Force will summoned for missions using special signal watches.

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Why a wall? Think big. How about a death star? That would make those Chinese and Canadians think twice about tarifs on American goods.
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The US Air Force can't be remotely pleased about this.
That was my thought as well. Hasn't the Air Force pretty much been the ones taking care of the military aspect of space? Is a separate military group really necessary?
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That was my thought as well. Hasn't the Air Force pretty much been the ones taking care of the military aspect of space? Is a separate military group really necessary?

"Not many people know this ... I do, because I've looked into it. I always research things. That's why I'm very, very smart. Not many people know ... there's no air in space. That's what they say. How can the Air Force operate in space if there's no air? It's right in their name."
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
"Not many people know this ... I do, because I've looked into it. I always research things. That's why I'm very, very smart. Not many people know ... there's no air in space. That's what they say. How can the Air Force operate in space if there's no air? It's right in their name."
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The US Air Force can't be remotely pleased about this.
Yeah they will lose budgeting, general officer slots and all manner of prestige-----prepare for a coup! (kidding)
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It should clearly have naval ranks.
Nah they should make up ranks like the British did with the RAF. Leading to confusion in the military that still exists.

Just what is a group captain? lol
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He thought up the name all by himself, apparently. Amazing what a two-year-old will come up with when left with a packet of crayons for long enough.

There must be an awful lot of swamp-dwellers rubbing their hands with glee at this one.
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That was my thought as well. Hasn't the Air Force pretty much been the ones taking care of the military aspect of space? Is a separate military group really necessary?
It seems like a throwback to the ideas of a military space program, Blue Gemini, MOL, DynaSoar. It has zero practical value in the current environment. Now if he had announced a program to detect and deflect dangerous asteroids that would have made some sense.
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It seems like a throwback to the ideas of a military space program, Blue Gemini, MOL, DynaSoar. It has zero practical value in the current environment. Now if he had announced a program to detect and deflect dangerous asteroids that would have made some sense.
That'll be in next week's press release. I have the concept drawing of their proposed system:
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Nah they should make up ranks like the British did with the RAF. Leading to confusion in the military that still exists.

Just what is a group captain? lol
He's the Captain of a Group, in the same way that a Wing Commander is the Commander of a Wing, and a Squadron Leader is the Leader of a Squadron, and a Flight Lieutenant is the Lieutenant of a Flight.
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I just hope that Trump himself designs the uniforms. Can you imagine?

Actually, it'll probably be Ivanka, won't it?

I suggest something like this:

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"Separate but equal"???
Yeah, that's a special kind of stupidity.
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In the 23rd century he will still be honoured as the visionary founder of the great US Space Farce. His beaming holographic form will deliver rousing speeches to new graduates of the Space Accademy who hang on every word about how he came to be know as the greatest president in history.
Beaten by Alex Jones: “When humanity is on a thousand worlds there iwill be statues of Donald John Trump on most planets and the mark of Space Force... [incoherent rant about elite secret science and stuff follows]”

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So you are General Dunford or other top Pentagon leaders tasked with making something from this lunacy where do you start? To be a fly on the wall in those meetings.
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So you are General Dunford or other top Pentagon leaders tasked with making something from this lunacy where do you start? To be a fly on the wall in those meetings.
My first concern... does this crap in any way take the leash off of China?
Seriously, this was an incredibly poorly thought out, shoot from the hip proclamation.

Anyone surprised?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
He's the Captain of a Group, in the same way that a Wing Commander is the Commander of a Wing, and a Squadron Leader is the Leader of a Squadron, and a Flight Lieutenant is the Lieutenant of a Flight.
Good to know. Can you now explain Rear Admiral? Oh, and Vice Admiral while you're at it.
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