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Old 19th June 2018, 02:58 PM   #41
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Can the president actually do this or is this a congressional prerogative? Who or how was the Air Force created out of the Army Air Corps?

Edited to add

I looked up how they did it then and would seem to me it would a Congressional action:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ty_Act_of_1947

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Old 19th June 2018, 03:03 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
So you are General Dunford or other top Pentagon leaders tasked with making something from this lunacy where do you start? To be a fly on the wall in those meetings.
Initially it should just be a re-branding of the current USAF Space Command units. New signs, insignia and letterhead. Where it goes from there is a matter of direction and funding by congress.
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Old 19th June 2018, 03:48 PM   #43
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Can the president actually do this or is this a congressional prerogative? Who or how was the Air Force created out of the Army Air Corps?

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I looked up how they did it then and would seem to me it would a Congressional action:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ty_Act_of_1947
Yes it will take Congressional action. The General was directed to plan for the new service, not to create it. This could easily result in a multi-year research and planning process resulting in nothing more than an extensive, expensive, and futile document.

Also: The USAF was substantially created out of the Army Air Forces, not the Army Air Corps. The Army Air Corps remained in existence, operating observation, liaison, and smaller transport fixed wing, and rotary wing aircraft.

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Old 19th June 2018, 05:05 PM   #44
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Wow. Trump is totally destroying America with all his empty rhetoric that doesn't actually change the fundamentals of how this country runs.
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Wow. Trump is totally destroying America with all his empty rhetoric that doesn't actually change the fundamentals of how this country runs.
Good to know that a fundamental aspect of how America runs is forced separation of children from parents.
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Good to know that a fundamental aspect of how America runs is forced separation of children from parents.
Social services does it all the time. In Australia too, I bet.

Back on the topic of this thread, at least America has indigenous space launch capability.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:21 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Wow. Trump is totally destroying America with all his empty rhetoric that doesn't actually change the fundamentals of how this country runs.
I dont think this bit of empty rhetoric does anything to destroy America.
It does go to show that he is a dumbass.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:22 PM   #48
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All the media coverage I have seen of this proposal is negative or neutral.

Is there anyone who thinks it's a good idea? (i.e. anyone who actually is involved in military planning. Joint Chiefs of Staff, SecDef, Commission to Recommend New Stuff to the President?)


I'm just trying to get a sense of what might change by having a Space Force, as opposed to just keeping Space Command, and who thinks it makes sense. In rolling out the announcement, I don't thing Trump touted any studies, documentation, or endorsements by generals. (Or....maybe he did, but the media didn't cover it.)
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:36 PM   #49
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I dont think this bit of empty rhetoric does anything to destroy America.
It does go to show that he is a dumbass.
If only we'd known he was a dumbass before the election. It would have changed *everything*.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:38 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
All the media coverage I have seen of this proposal is negative or neutral.

Is there anyone who thinks it's a good idea? (i.e. anyone who actually is involved in military planning. Joint Chiefs of Staff, SecDef, Commission to Recommend New Stuff to the President?)


I'm just trying to get a sense of what might change by having a Space Force, as opposed to just keeping Space Command, and who thinks it makes sense. In rolling out the announcement, I don't thing Trump touted any studies, documentation, or endorsements by generals. (Or....maybe he did, but the media didn't cover it.)
Red herring.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:39 PM   #51
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If only we'd known he was a dumbass before the election. It would have changed *everything*.
I don't know what you are getting at. I sussed out he was a dumbass way back in the 90's, hence he did not get my vote in '16
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I'm reminded of Spiro Agnew wanting to make himself the next JFK by proclaiming the USA would land a man on Mars by 1980. In fact, that's not all about Trump that reminds me of Agnew.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:47 PM   #53
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I don't know what you are getting at. I sussed out he was a dumbass way back in the 90's, hence he did not get my vote in '16
I'm getting at this whole thread is pointless. It doesn't really change anything, and it doesn't give us any information we didn't already have in November 2016. So what's the point?
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:49 PM   #54
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I'm reminded of Spiro Agnew wanting to make himself the next JFK by proclaiming the USA would land a man on Mars by 1980. In fact, that's not all about Trump that reminds me of Agnew.
Five hundred years from now, my head in a jar will be laughing its ass off, as historians record Donald Trump as being on par with Spiro Agnew in terms of his presidency.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:55 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Wow. Trump is totally destroying America with all his empty rhetoric that doesn't actually change the fundamentals of how this country runs.
I wouldn't worry about this. I'm sure the Joint Staff J5-5 office, future plans has this for action. In other words, Mattiis knows where to send things to die. It will spasm occasionally, like a patient with burns over 80% of their body and you'll think there is hope for recovery but no, the idea will die. There will be no sad goodbye, no funeral. One day the conference room will be booked for a planning meeting to discuss officer accession and career progression (nothing devolves into a useless circle jerk like a discussion of career progression) for the space force. And then, almost without notice the room will be booked for the next presidential transition team. The Deputy J5-5 will use a sharpie to cross out the Space Force meeting, leaving the words visible to the Trump administration lackeys who come to the transition meeting. And that is how the Space Force will die, a passive aggressive **** you from the deputy chief of Joint Staff Future Plans.
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Old 19th June 2018, 05:56 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm getting at this whole thread is pointless. It doesn't really change anything, and it doesn't give us any information we didn't already have in November 2016. So what's the point?
Maybe this thread is pointless. But reading and posting in this thread is not keeping me from doing something otherwise pointed . In fact, if I was doing anything else at this time, i can assure you it would be quite pointless.
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What are you talking about? It takes an act of congress to establish a new branch of the military. The president, the secdef, the pentagon, have no say in the matter, other than to lobby congress.

Don't worry about it, sure. But not for the reasons you claim.
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I'm getting at this whole thread is pointless.

Apparently, so is Space Force.
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Apparently, so is Space Force.
Apparently so.

Congratulations to the ISF for exercising its skeptical genius to figure out things that were obvious a year ago. What's the point of this thread, again?
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Old 19th June 2018, 07:20 PM   #60
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I believe the point of this thread is to point out the pointless utterances of our appointed president.
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Apparently so.

Congratulations to the ISF for exercising its skeptical genius to figure out things that were obvious a year ago. What's the point of this thread, again?
So you’re spent doing time pointlessly pointing out that this thread is pointless?
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I don't know what you are getting at. I sussed out he was a dumbass way back in the 90's, hence he did not get my vote in '16
That late, huh?
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If only we'd known he was a dumbass before the election. It would have changed *everything*.
I seem to recall that many of us were actually aware of this. And many noted conservative posters told us not to worry... for myriad reasons:

> checks and balances
> the court of public opinion would keep him in line
> he's just posturing for the headlines he doesn't mean it
> c'mon, he's obviously joking

How many of those did you think would happen, 'cuz so far we're 0 for 4.
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I believe the point of this thread is to point out the pointless utterances of our appointed president.
Are you sure?

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So you’re spent doing time pointlessly pointing out that this thread is pointless?
When in Rome...
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I believe the point of this thread is to point out the pointless utterances of our appointed president.
[quote=theprestige;12333228]Are you sure?
I think that was the intent of the OP. Now? It seems to have taken a turn towards pointless. In fact, it may have run it's course. I take my leave.
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As the OP author, I think we agree the point of this thread is to once again confirm that Donny is dreadfully bad at creating believable diversions for his equally unbelievable catastrophic policy glitches and gaffes.
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Good to know. Can you now explain Rear Admiral? Oh, and Vice Admiral while you're at it.
Fleets used to sail in 3 parts: a main body, a reconnaissance force, and a rear guard. A junior admiral would be assigned to command the rear guard, so as ranks became formalized the lowest grade of admiral came to be called a rear admiral.
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As the OP author, I think we agree the point of this thread is to once again confirm that Donny is dreadfully bad at creating believable diversions for his equally unbelievable catastrophic policy glitches and gaffes.
Catastrophic? Tell me more!
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Catastrophic? Tell me more!
Apologies. By "catastrophic" I meant "thoughtfully and professionally considered, properly communicated and implemented, well-received, and universally acclaimed".
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Social services does it all the time. In Australia too, I bet.

Back on the topic of this thread, at least America has indigenous space launch capability.
Actually, in a way its funny that trumpff wants to make a space force, when the US cant even currently put a person into space unless they hire a seat in a Russian spacecraft....
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I'm getting at this whole thread is pointless. It doesn't really change anything, and it doesn't give us any information we didn't already have in November 2016. So what's the point?
It's fun.

I'm not sure I can see the point of you strutting around telling everybody that what they're doing is pointless, though. Seems like you're spending time and energy telling other people what they ought to be interested in discussing, rather than spending your time and energy discussing the things you are interested in. Why not just let this thread be? If it ceases to be interesting to other people it will drop off the front page and never be seen again. And if it remains on the front page, all you have to do to ensure that your time isn't wasted by the pointlessness of it is not to read it yourself.

Why you should be having a strop about other people choosing to spend their time doing something harmless that doesn't affect you one iota is beyond me. Still, it's up to you, if that's what you consider a productive use of your time.
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"Ahhhhhhh! President Dotard, so nice of you to join us. The landing party is ready so if you could just put on this red shirt we'll be off."
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Apologies. By "catastrophic" I meant "thoughtfully and professionally considered, properly communicated and implemented, well-received, and universally acclaimed".
Apologies? Tell me more about the great catastrophe that has befallen us this week.
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Actually, in a way its funny that trumpff wants to make a space force, when the US cant even currently put a person into space unless they hire a seat in a Russian spacecraft....
Manned spaceflight is a distraction.
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Apologies? Tell me more about the great catastrophe that has befallen us this week.
Well, the US is putting children in concentration camps, and the head of the organisation actually doing that has said that it's unfair to compare his agents with Nazis because his agents are just following orders, and the biggest difference that the person who implemented the policy that has led to this between this policy and the Nazis was to (incorrectly) state that the Nazis tried to prevent Jews from leaving Germany. That seems pretty catastrophic from an outsider's perspective. I mean, at the very least, that Sessions isn't intelligent or educated enough to name a bigger difference (like, for example, none of the children having been forced into labour, experimented on, or exterminated) between the current situation in the US and the situation in Nazi Germany speaks very poorly of his ability to advocate publicly for his own policies, which I'd count as pretty catastrophic.
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But do you have a high-gloss plywood Moon vehicle?
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If only we'd known he was a dumbass before the election. It would have changed *everything*.
Remember, during the election, when Hilary claimed that Trump's immigration policies were going to "rip families apart"?

Yeah, she actually claimed that.

But, you know, they are BROWN families so it doesn't matter.
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